Logos Updates and Upgrades and Ebooks and Data Sets
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How about using Prepub and Community Pricing for Updates and Upgrades..somehow?
EDIT : Or, a Combination of the two, a Community-Pub for Software Additions.
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Bob Pritchett said:
- Describe enhancements as data sets and 'lock' them in the user interface for users who don't purchase them.
A modified pre-pub approach should appeal because you (Logos) don't commit to the project until significant interest has been generated; but it means you have to describe the product in detail AND commit to a delivery time-frame. Much more will be expected of the product than the prototypes delivered with Logos 5 e.g. If you deliver tagged nouns because that is in the product description then we will be content. If you had promised more in the time-frame we will be unhappy!
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This should take the load off expending significant effort before having to recoup investment in an Upgrade that must happen by October/November, and allow greater maturity of the code through essentially a phased approach to the delivery of significant product.
I don't like subscription and I don't like a product delivery without feedback mechnisms in place, because right now the main product Forum is full of posts about Data Set errors/concepts + upgrades and the QA people are struggling to catch up with essential bug reports.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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So, Graham. You've got that red 'mal-formed' star under your picture. That means you likely have special visions from Logos. Is FSB now a resource(s) ... not a future subscription in 2014?
I'm of course joking about the star.
I just got back driving the whole length of beautiful Texas. Highway overpass after highway overpass have those absolutely perfect Texas stars on them. They say those stars will be up in heaven. No overpasses.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Hi DMB
FSB is now included on a licence basis (not subscription) in all base packages.
I think this model is going to extend to non base package usage as well but we would need Logos to cofirrm.
Graham
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I think part of this issue is involved with the issue of what type of company is Logos? I have been a bit of a fan for about ten years and I still don't quite have a handle on it.
On the one hand, it is a software company. But they don't sell their core software. Instead, they sell ebooks (and datasets, Bob reminds us) with a robust enough DRM scheme that allows publishers to allow top contemporary (and expensive) reference works to be supported.
Software companies are often quite profitable. Booksellers usually are not. Even Amazon doesn't run much of a profit, from what I understand. And with Logos, once they sell a book, their costs with that book are not done. They continue to develop the software. They host the book in various ways. They fix errors in books. They add functionality by adding more tagging to it.
We can get frustrated that XYZ doesn't do whatever, but as Bob points out, they do tend to focus on projects that will make, rather than cost money.
To keep in business, they need revenue. To get revenue, they have tried a few different things. Usually, it is sell more books - both to existing users, and to create more users. I know that I have gotten more books than I "need". Probably most of the users here have been active purchasers from Logos.
But Logos needs to expand the market of people that continue to buy stuff. It was disappointing how LONG it took for the free community pricing book to go over the top. Many people obviously don't "get" the process, or aren't interested.And they have tried some subscription stuff. Seminary Library didn't seem to do much. Now they are trying Faithlife. This looks a bit more promising, but I have yet to see it take off. But this looks like the type of project Logos needs to get people to become their customers.
As fgh has pointed out, "you're bound to deliver what you've already sold." I know that sometimes things come up and it is not possible (NIV84 OT Reverse Interlinear?)
Logos has been quite generous upgrading our books and keeping that promise - arguably too generous. Reasonably, I should not expect that the Francis Chan books I got as freebies from Vyrso would be upgraded to the full Logos editions. Maybe it makes sense for them to only support one version and so to do that anyway, but we users should not expect this.
But with the other things that Logos sells, it is not always so. There was more than a bit of a fuss when Logos 4 came out that functionality from Libronix addins was not there in Logos 4. Yes - Libronix was supported for years after this release, but it took a LONG time for me to stop using Libronix along side of Logos 4.
And then we get to those major releases... Both gave the impression of being rushed out the door, and so the forums overflowed with questions and complaints. The fact that this happened with the version 5 roll-out after the problems with 4's roll-out is depressing.
It is good that Logos is getting this discussion going. But the timing?
Ken McGuire
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
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I am still using L3 for my notes.Kenneth McGuire said:it took a LONG time for me to stop using Libronix along side of Logos 4.
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