Any idea when this will hit pre-pub?
I seem to remember some saying the 28th ed. is out in the bigger L5 sets. without the apparatus.
I seem to remember some saying the 28th ed. is out in the bigger L5 sets.
Yes it is. Platinum and up / Verbum Master and up. No idea when it will be available as a standalone resource.
So without the apparatus, it doesn't really matter at this point how the mss. support differs from NA-27. However, is there list of text differences in NA-28 from NA-26/27 (besides Jude 5, which I believe now reads Ιησους instead of κύριος in πάντα ὅτι [ὁ] κύριος ἅπαξ - and maybe orders the words differently too)?
Yes, I have the NA28 but sadly no apparatus.
I guess I'll wait for the 28th stand-alone w/apparatus.
Don't hold your breath. I do not believe the stand alone will include the apparatus either. The only apparatus for NA came with the SESB which is not being updated for Logos.
However, is there list of text differences in NA-28 from NA-26/27
I don't have a list. Wallace has some comments on NA28 at http://danielbwallace.com/2012/12/17/259/ . If I read it correctly, the only differences are in the Catholic Epistles (James - Jude), based on a new text critical approach which has only been applied to those books.
Donnie
From your Daniel Wallace link:
"The text of the Catholic Epistles is analyzed on an entirely different basis than the rest of the New Testament. Gerd Mink of INTF has been developing a new textual method called the Coherence-Based Genealogical Method or CBGM."
Here is more information about that, from Review of Biblical Literature; unfortunately, the link to the review is broken at present. You can use the link to download the 16MB 577-page PowerPoint presentation of the explanation of the TC program.
"...The final essay, and the culmination of the volume, is Gerd Mink’s extensive introduction and discussion of the CBGM, a computer-assisted program designed to identify genealogical relationships between texts. The CBGM is well-known for its complexity, and it has become a regular observation that only a handful of scholars outside of the Münster Institut really understand it. I think the colloquium was meant to be a step toward remedying this situation, especially since the presentations were in English. Unfortunately, the present essay probably reinforces the impression of the CBGM’s complexity and probably is too difficult for many readers to read as an introduction. Consequently, readers lacking experience with CBGM would be well-directed first to Mink’s “Introductory Presentation,” a thoughtfully produced 577-page pdf of a step-bystep classroom presentation of the CBGM (http://www.uni-muenster.de/INTF/cbgm_presentation/download.html); the presentation reflects good pedagogy and is a worthy two- to three-hour investment of the serious text critic’s time.... Given that the CBGM has already influenced the text of ECM and factors in a portion of the Nestle-Aland 28th edition, the text critic who does not become well-acquainted with the CBGM runs the risk of being left behind, making this essay all the more indispensible to the discipline."I suggest a reading strategy of (1) reading the article patiently through once; (2) rereading the first six sections, with special emphasis on section two (“A Brief Explanation of Basic Terms”); (3) continuing the second reading in conjunction with the published fascicles of the ECM; and (4) dabbling with the “Genealogical Queries” suite of programs available online at http://intf.uni-muenster.de/cbgm/en.html, following the examples in the essay." - From http://www.bookreviews.org/pdf/8381_9175.pdf The Textual History of the Greek New Testament: Changing Views in Contemporary Research Wachtel, Klaus and Michael W. Holmes, editors - Review by James Leonard
Too bad to hear that there is no plan for an NA28 apparatus. Does anyone know the reason for this?
Too bad to hear that there is no plan for an NA28 apparatus.
Not sure where you heard this, can you confirm? The last I have seen from anyone Logos-authoritative was Rick Brannan in this thread, and he said, "The NA28 apparatus is not available electronically at this point." That's much different than "no plans", I would be very surprised if it became available and Logos never included it - just my opnion though.
I seem to remember some saying the 28th ed. is out in the bigger L5 sets. without the apparatus. So without the apparatus, it doesn't really matter at this point how the mss. support differs from NA-27. However, is there list of text differences in NA-28 from NA-26/27 (besides Jude 5, which I believe now reads Ιησους instead of κύριος in πάντα ὅτι [ὁ] κύριος ἅπαξ - and maybe orders the words differently too)?
I found what I was looking for here: http://stansscholia.wordpress.com/category/textual-criticism/
Since only the Catholic/General Epistles had any text changes from NA-27, that's all these posts address.
http://www.nestle-aland.com/en/extra-navigation/digital-editions/
Work with your Novum Testamentum Graece: At your PC or Mac as well as on your smartphone. Your NA28 is always at hand.
All digital editions of the NA28 include the following features:
Nestle-Aland digital will be available as download for Microsoft Windows, OS X, iOS and Android in 2013.
Too bad to hear that there is no plan for an NA28 apparatus. Not sure where you heard this, can you confirm? The last I have seen from anyone Logos-authoritative was Rick Brannan in this thread, and he said, "The NA28 apparatus is not available electronically at this point." That's much different than "no plans", I would be very surprised if it became available and Logos never included it - just my opnion though.
I was just responding to the information in this thread. I don't know what the plans are but I was disappointed to hear that it may not be in the plans to publish it.
From the image at Crossway of the NA-28/ESV diglot, it looks like the variant readings in the apparatus are fully spelled out - no more abbreviations for words:
http://www.crossway.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Screen-Shot-2012-11-15-at-8.41.51-AM.png
This fact wasn't quite clear to me from reading the NA-28 page: http://www.nestle-aland.com/en/the-28-edition/revision-and-correction-of-the-whole-edition/but I guess that's what "Unless there are particular reasons not to do so, the variants of consistently cited witnesses are given in full, even if they differ from other consist- ently cited witnesses in detail only" means.
That's great:
it looks like the variant readings in the apparatus are fully spelled out - no more abbreviations for words:
Hint: when wanting to order ANY books from Amazon: At: Home Page... on the right there is a link, if You enter Amazon through it for purchasing, the Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts will be given a portion of Your purchase at no cost for You.
I wish the UBS4GNT apparatus were in Logos. I guess you can scroll Metzger's Textual Commentary with it, but it's not the same thing. Also, I wish the NA margin cross-references were included with NA-27. Unless I'm missing something, linking it to The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge is the only reasonable substitute for verse cross-references with NA-27 or any Bible for that matter.
The lack of cross references is a major reason I have not jumped on the SESB package yet. If I have to keep my paper version of the NA27 open to see them, what's the point in getting the electronic edition at a premium price?
I wish the UBS4GNT apparatus were in Logos.
German Bible Society bundles => http://www.logos.com/product/18617/german-bible-society-bundle and => http://www.logos.com/product/21066/german-bible-society-bundle-student-edition include The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition (with apparatus)
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I wish the UBS4GNT apparatus were in Logos. German Bible Society bundles => http://www.logos.com/product/18617/german-bible-society-bundle and => http://www.logos.com/product/21066/german-bible-society-bundle-student-edition include The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition (with apparatus) Keep Smiling
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Thanks! I have that bundle and that resource. I didn't realize it included the apparatus. I have 3 or 4 versions of UBS4 and didn't see the full name of this one in my Library listing to realize it included the apparatus. I wish there were a way to get it to display in the window or a separate window, or wish the Apparatus superscripts were more prominent and more easily visible.
I wish there were a way to get it to display in the window or a separate window, or wish the Apparatus superscripts were more prominent and more easily visible.
Use powerlook up.
It looks to me that you have to purchase the entire bundle just to get the UNS4GNT. Am I correct?
I wish the UBS4GNT apparatus were in Logos. German Bible Society bundles => http://www.logos.com/product/18617/german-bible-society-bundle and => http://www.logos.com/product/21066/german-bible-society-bundle-student-edition include The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition (with apparatus) Keep Smiling It looks to me that you have to purchase the entire bundle just to get the UNS4GNT. Am I correct?
Suggest calling or chatting with Logos Sales => http://www.logos.com/contact
After I asked this question I realized that it was already being discussed in http://community.logos.com/forums/t/63490.aspx
Thanks for being patient and answering here too!
