Dean Bible Ministries Genesis 1 through 3
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Do you have permission to share these? They are still under copyright, are they not?
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Russ White said:
First, they are freely available in straight text off the Dean Bible web site.
That is irrelevant. The copyright holder has the right to share his own work any way he wants. You do not.
Russ White said:Second, I have emailed Dr. Dean about this, and he seemed fine with building PBs out of these
Then it would depend on exactly what you and he wrote in those e-mails, and how he understood your request. If he gave you permission to share, everything is fine. If there is any risk that he might have understood you to ask only about making PB's for yourself, please ask again to be sure.
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I've removed the links.
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If you weren't as sure as you first thought, that was the right thing to do for now, but I'm sure there are people who are interested, so I hope you'll put them back once you've gotten permission.
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It wasn't the "right thing to do." The right thing to do, would have been for you to investigate the nature of the material, and then pm me, or otherwise reach me personally, and ask, rather than jumping down my throat on an open forum for whatever reason. As I've co-authored 9 (working on 10) books with sales in the millions and translations into multiple languages, as well as many articles, presentations, and other material, I have at least a passing acquaintance with copyright law.
I actually now have (more specific) written permission, but I'm considering whether or not I really want to post any further material here.
Russ
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Russ White said:
The right thing to do, would have been for you to investigate the nature of the material
I took a quick look, and it looked to me to be copyright protected, so, since you didn't say you had permission, I asked. I don't know what more I could reasonably be expected to do.
Russ White said:and then pm me, or otherwise reach me personally, and ask
Not only has Logos taken away that option, but a post on a public forum should normally be answered on that same forum. Especially a post like yours. I'm not the only one who wants to know if a file is shared legally or not. And it's not because we like to 'police' others. It's partly because we want to make sure people doesn't unknowingly get themselves (and potentially Logos) into trouble, but it's also because we ourselves don't want to unknowingly download files that aren't kosher. So the answer needs to be as public as the file. If someone states unequivocally that they have permission to share, I take their word for it, but I don't assume they have permission just because they post. Lots of people wrongly believe they are free to share anything they find on the internet.
Russ White said:As I've co-authored 9 (working on 10) books with sales in the millions and translations into multiple languages, as well as many articles, presentations, and other material, I have at least a passing acquaintance with copyright law.
- I have no idea who you are, what you do for a living, and what knowledge you have of copyright law. That's precisely why I asked.
- People who know that much, generally know to include a 'shared with permission'.
- People who know that much, generally know better than to argue that something's freely available on the internet.
- Authors generally tend to be the first to appreciate when others take copyright law seriously.
From the other thread:
Russ White said:Unless there is clear reason to believe otherwise, the poster should be given the benefit of a doubt.
When the author is alive and the OP doesn't include anything about permission, that is more than enough to justify a question. And questions are what you ask when you do give the benefit of a doubt.
Russ White said:the second reply was, I believed, rather accusatory
??? I wrote the first post with a completely open mind, no opinion whatsoever one way or another, but I actually wrote the second assuming everything was OK. It's just that your rather vague wording that "he seemed fine with building PBs out of these", left open a small possibility that he may have understood you to ask only about building them for yourself, so I was hoping you'd confirm that the e-mails were more clear than your words here. But at that point I assumed they were. So you see, far from accusatory and not giving you the benefit of a doubt, I was in fact writing from the assumption that you did have permission, and only needed to state it a bit more unambiguously, so that everyone who wanted to download could do so with a clear conscience. It was only when you removed the files that that assumption changed. I took that to mean that you had reread the e-mails and found that it was possible you had misunderstood each other and that you therefore wanted to check once more.
Russ White said:I actually now have written permission, but I'm considering whether or not I really want to post any further material here.
Good. Please do, but please include a line about 'this work is in Public Domain' or 'this work is shared with permission from the copyright holder', whichever applies.
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fgh said:
It was only when you removed the files that that assumption changed. I took that to mean that you had reread the e-mails and found that it was possible you had misunderstood each other and that you therefore wanted to check once more.
I specifically removed the file because of the tone of your second reply --it was clearly along the lines of, "I don't believe you," and you were clearly talking down to me. Most people with as much publishing experience as I have know the right questions to ask, and what the answers mean when we receive them. We don't second guess other folks the way you have, or in the way you have, no matter how good your intentions. And I would never accuse someone of being unethical in the way you have on a public forum without a bit more proof or consideration.
There is far too much of a sense of, "I'm the forum monitor, doing what's best for you," in the way you've approached this. But, again, I'm done with this. I won't ever post another PB here, so you needn't worry about watching over my shoulder any longer to make certain I'm doing things the way you'd like me to, using the phrases you specifically require me to use to pass muster in your rule book.
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Russ White said:
because of the tone of your second reply
Russ, a number of forum members including fgh are neither American nor native English speakers. Because of this, I personally find it best not to attempt to read the tone of a post with the exception of 3-4 people who have shown themselves multiple times to be trolls. Okay, I'll admit that there are a couple of other posters who know how to provoke me. [:$] But it might be best for your blood pressure and the forums, if you cut inquiries a bit more slack.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Russ White said:
It wasn't the "right thing to do." The right thing to do, would have been for you to investigate the nature of the material, and then pm me, or otherwise reach me personally, and ask, rather than jumping down my throat on an open forum for whatever reason. As I've co-authored 9 (working on 10) books with sales in the millions and translations into multiple languages, as well as many articles, presentations, and other material, I have at least a passing acquaintance with copyright law.
I actually now have (more specific) written permission, but I'm considering whether or not I really want to post any further material here.
Russ
Russ, you are being entirely unreasonable here. No one jumped down anyone's throat (until you did).
I take it your books are not on the topic of online communication or how to accept criticism.
But you are certainly free to take your ball and go home.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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MJ. Smith said:Russ White said:
because of the tone of your second reply
Russ, a number of forum members including fgh are neither American nor native English speakers. Because of this, I personally find it best not to attempt to read the tone of a post with the exception of 3-4 people who have shown themselves multiple times to be trolls. Okay, I'll admit that there are a couple of other posters who know how to provoke me.
But it might be best for your blood pressure and the forums, if you cut inquiries a bit more slack.You are probably correct --and I apologize if I read the responses to my original post in a tone other than what they were intended. At the same time, the reaction to my reaction wasn't (and still isn't) precisely something to crow about, either.
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Russ White said:
At the same time, the reaction to my reaction wasn't (and still isn't) precisely something to crow about, either.
I agree. The two threads together are a perfect (unfortunate) example of how people respond to discord on the web. People become more defensive, more belligerent, less cordial far more quickly than they do in person. Well, except for some who are always cantankerous in all situations.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Russ
It was the right thing to do. I have a made a note file with all of Dr. Deans transcribed notes attached by verse from Gen to Rev, for Logos 4 you can get them from Dean Bible Ministries. As soon as Logos allows us to share notes, you will be able to import them into Logos 5. And I do have Robbie's Permission.
Art Boose
MPSeminars
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Deleted. Misunderstood post.
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Russ
I apologies, for the misunderstanding. I was referring to your post. It was the right thing to do to provide Robbie's notes. Robbie's notes are transcribed by a third party and post on the net. And any body has permission to use them in Logos. I have been listing to Dr. Robert Dean for 10 years and have permission to put them into Logos. So there was nothing wrong with you putting them into Logos.
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Dr. Robert Deans notes are on Faithlife.com, anyone can join Dr Robert Deans group and down load all his notes into Logos.
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Arthur Boose said:
Russ
I apologies, for the misunderstanding. I was referring to your post. It was the right thing to do to provide Robbie's notes. Robbie's notes are transcribed by a third party and post on the net. And any body has permission to use them in Logos. I have been listing to Dr. Robert Dean for 10 years and have permission to put them into Logos. So there was nothing wrong with you putting them into Logos.
Ugh! Sorry... I thought you were jumping on me again. Sorry for the miscommunication (again). :-(
Russ
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Arthur Boose said:
Dr. Robert Deans notes are on Faithlife.com, anyone can join Dr Robert Deans group and down load all his notes into Logos.
Arthur,
thanks a lot for sharing these. I just joined your group and saw that there is a notes file - however, I couldn't find the "connect" button that triggers the download. Did you already publish them on https://documents.logos.com/ ?
Mick
Have joy in the Lord!
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Here's alink with all his notes made for public use: file: http://www.deanbible.org/ right hand corner under transcripts; here's another link though it is a PDF file it has some good insights: http://cranfordville.com/IBC%20Cologne/BI_v21_1Peter_German.pdf
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Yes I did, just type in Dr Robert Dean and they should appear.
Art
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Hm.
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Have joy in the Lord!
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Arthur Boose said:
Yes I did, just type in Dr Robert Dean and they should appear.
Art
Still do not see the notes available for download
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Just uploaded test doc- no issue its there- you may want to re-upload your document, at present its not downloadable.
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i updated it today
Art
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
at present its not downloadable.
Whyndell,
actually my first screenshot above is wrong since what you need to do is to go to https://documents.logos.com/groups/3250405/documents or use the arrow (red box) on your own site of documents.logos.com to scroll down to this group, then you may find the document and a button "get a copy" or so.
Afterwards you'll see it on your own page.
Note that the file is large and you may need to give sync some time to actually get it to your machine.
Hope this helps!
Have joy in the Lord!
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Thanks I was able to get it even with your first post- appreciate the help.
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