What is the advantages of Logos over Accordance?
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Thought I'd weigh in here one more time since, this morning, I experienced a good example of why I switched to Logos from Accordance.
I'm working through Mark 15 this week and, in Logos, I have the following commentaries available:
- Collins (Hermeneia)
- Hooker (Black's NT)
- Marcus, vol. 2 (AB)
- Williamson (Interpretation)With the exception of Collins (Hermeneia), which *is* available for Accordance, the remaining commentaries are not even available for purchase in Accordance.
For me, it's that simple.
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David Paul said:
Words or phrases that elude most Logos Forum users:
I don't know.
I was wrong.
or the best yet - complete silence or not answering.
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The disadvantages of A-company are:
- that You have to pay for maintaining the software. See:
www.accordancebible.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9354&p=42901 - that You get version 9 collection resources, not version 10 collection resources, if You install it on Windows now, so You miss for example Eerdmans Bible Dictionary. You have to pay $28 shipping to Sweden for getting the emulator and collection:
www.accordancebible.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9408&p=42976
The Windows version is comming out in the end of the year. - they don't have a good comprehensive and affordable Bible dictionary. See: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/66283.aspx?PageIndex=2
- that there's little, if any, information about resources on the product pages. Not even year issued.
- that the store search doesn't work in IE9.
- that some resources such as the 1989 Revised English Bible and Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon are incomplete. REB missing footnotes, LSJ missing the 1996 supplement.
- that they don't carry the UBS Translators Handbook Sirach -volume.
- that You can't return anything to get a refund, no matter what.
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I didn't look into the whole BW/A/Logos thing when I started in on all this, but I am so thankful I chose Logos--I couldn't imagine research without it.
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Thank you again, Unix! I was considering A-Company to do some fill in for Logos. But while I was waiting for the Windows version, I've been buying hardcopy, so now I'm not sure I want to have to battle two companies instead of one.
'No return' is interesting. Even at a bookstore you can thumb through it for an hour (!) and see it's a fit. The samples on Logos are good but just samples. But no return on Accordance? I suspect Bob has a report on return-abusers and I'm right at the top! (Since I look for Libronix volumes)
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Dean053 said:
I didn't look into the whole BW/A/Logos thing when I started in on all this, but I am so thankful I chose Logos--I couldn't imagine research without it.
I agree Dean. I have glanced at some of the others over the years and used some of the open source and free resources. Logos blows all of them away.
I will say that when people in my congregation or elsewhere ask for recommendations Logos is always the first word out of my mouth, but then I explain that the kind of investment I have made may not be for everyone and suggest they start with online or free software tools.
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You didn't buy an A-company collection yet, did You?:
DMB said:But while I was waiting for the Windows version, I've been buying hardcopy, so now I'm not sure I want to have to battle two companies instead of one.
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But A can display syriac font on mac and iOS, I wonder what they do differently.
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I have been an Accordance owner for a long, long time. Much of what Unix is saying is not true.
I will concentrate on one issue:
Customer support/help/refunds/ect.
They are top notch in these areas, much like Apple and Logos.
Where they differ is: If they know you are in trouble, having issues, in a bind, they will "call you" or email you, or text you, no matter where in the world the team might be.
Example: Logos crashed on A friday night, I was in trouble, could not get it going, needed to do a specific function. Posted on Accordance as well as Logos that I was in difficulty.
Accordance staff e-mailed me, then called me-From Israel,,,, to guide me through to a solution for my study.
Another event: Accordance went down, on a Saturday, I posted to the forums. Within an hour, Helen called me, again, while on vacation in Israel, screen shared, fixed my install and I was up and running.
I bought some things I did not want, a mistake, they fixed it, got what I wanted-returned items and reloaded what I wanted.
It is fine to compare these to extremely good products, but we must do so fairly, rightly- this is the Christian way of doing things.
They are different programs, different code, different emphasis, bit both have value, great value.
There absolute best comparison i can give is that they have two different functions:
Logos is a Library System with a lot of search functions etc.
Accordance is primarily for Exegetical Work, Original Languages ( several ) and has many intense search functions, great maps and pics.
Both are really good companies, both care about the customer, both deal with the same publishing difficulties.
I use both because I need and desire the best of both programs.
Logos has a lot of Catholic/Orthodox/Anglican/Lutheran resources that Accordance does not have.
Accordance has speed of search and speed of search in complex and heavy searches that Logos does not.
I love visual filters ( yes, KSFJ has ruined me ).
I love the speed and accuracy of Accordance in all types of search.
I love Logos for dealing with commentary and other extra-biblical materials.
I love Accordance for "side by side" work with my Bible and greek/Hebrew texts.
Again, both are great programs, both have things they do well and things the other program does well.
It's not a "pick sides" type of thing. These are tools, these are good tools, but that is what they are-tools, nothing more.
Blessings
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Fr. Charles R. Matheny said:
Again, both are great programs, both have things they do well and things the other program does well.
It's not a "pick sides" type of thing. These are tools, these are good tools, but that is what they are-tools, nothing more.
So, are you saying they are both like screwdrivers in your toolbox; one a Philips tip, one a Standard? And you reach for the appropriate one based on the job at hand? [8-|]
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Yep, kinda like that supertramp. Perhaps like saws. I have certain saws for certain types of cutting. I have a general circular saw and, I have precision saws, hand saws, side cutter saws, reciprocating saws, many different saws.
I reach for the one that will do the best job. Often, I start with one saw to get to a certain point in the work, then finish with other saws.
Just depends on the work before me.
Today I have four saws out: Logos, Accordance, Paper books and a Pen/paper. Yep, going at with the tools needed. ( Now, if I could just find my mind, I know I put it here somewhere).
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I think having 1 software is perfectly adaquate.
It's just like my flathead screwdriver. It turns flathead screws. It's small enough to fit in one of the sides of a phillips screw. Much of the time, using the flathead and a twisting-motion avoids having to get out the saw. And of course, best of all, it's a great hammer, avoiding having to go down to the garage. We hang most of our pictures with our screwdriver.
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hahahahaha! That! Was great DMB, that was great.
Gee, are you looking in my window!?
I needed a good belly laugh, thanks .
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Thanks Randy. That was one of my favorite shows back in the early '90's. My wife hated it.[:^)]
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Randy, that was a trip to the past. Using the right saw is key!!!
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3 out of forefathers recommend it [:D][:D][:D] Just like Logos! [:D]
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Unix said:
The disadvantages of A-company are:
- that You have to pay for maintaining the software. See:
www.accordancebible.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9354&p=42901 - that You get version 9 collection resources, not version 10 collection resources, if You install it on Windows now, so You miss for example Eerdmans Bible Dictionary. You have to pay $28 shipping to Sweden for getting the emulator and collection:
www.accordancebible.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9408&p=42976
The Windows version is comming out in the end of the year. - they don't have a good comprehensive and affordable Bible dictionary. See: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/66283.aspx?PageIndex=2
- that there's little, if any, information about resources on the product pages. Not even year issued.
- that the store search doesn't work in IE9.
- that some resources such as the 1989 Revised English Bible and Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon are incomplete. REB missing footnotes, LSJ missing the 1996 supplement.
- that they don't carry the UBS Translators Handbook Sirach -volume.
- that You can't return anything to get a refund, no matter what.
I am sure both programs are excellent. However, it is clear that Logos is the best Bible Software program for MY needs. Everyone will have to decide for himself / herself which is best for his / her needs.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 - that You have to pay for maintaining the software. See:
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Accordance has a lot more titles than most people think and the performance is outstanding. No waiting for reindexing. If you contyact them, they will send you a PDF of the available titles, but you can also see them on their website. Accordance is more conservative in the way they count titles as well. For instance, they count a commentary set as one title, not 40 because it had 40 volumes.
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I've got Accordance and love it. I find the interface better for exegetical work. It is fast, no indexing and I think in all the years that I have owned it, I have only submitted a couple of bug reports. It just works. All the time. I mean that. It works and works.
The iPad app is my go to when I am at church. It is very fast. I find Logos too slow when the preacher is moving through the text quickly.
That said, I have years of investment in Logos and there are resources I only have in this format. Logos is my primary research tool. I am grateful for the large number of resources that can now be had. I love clippings and wished they would work on the iPad as well.
So I use both side by side in their strengths.
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Guess this thread awakens from the dead periodically.
I have both. I suspect 'the answer' is 'both' these days. Some resources you can get on one, others on the other. Accordance even has AYB. But if you're trying to run up your resource count, then of course Logos. And if a pastor/teacher, then Logos (tool set, packages, etc).
I spend most of my time in OL and probably more accurately authoring (eg semantics, etc). If ones world is stictly 'the Bible', then OL in Accordance is probably better. But if you wish to stray a bit outside for comparables (eg what was the norm), then Logos is really the only choice.
Want to review 'Egypt'? Logos. Ugarit? Logos. 2nd Temple? Logos. Qumran? Logos. Greek writing habits? Logos. Church response to NT phrasings? Logos. Jewish response to OT phrasings? Logos.
Accordance has some 'get started' on the above, but you run out of resources pretty quick.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Welcome to the forum H D Gillis. I wonder if you read the OP. The question is of Logos advantage over Accordance, but your post comes here with advantage of Accordance over the Logos, which original poster did not ask. I find your post just a pure advertisement of Accordance. If you love Accordance, fine, just stick with it, but it's not good to come to this forum and push another product. I kind of wonder if you ever even use Logos?
H D Gillis said:Accordance has a lot more titles than most people think...
Really, I heard many times this lame excuse, but at the same time you eagerly wait for new resources to be released [:P]. It's all about the selection of library. How many journals do you have?
H D Gillis said:Accordance is more conservative in the way they count titles as well. For instance, they count a commentary set as one title, not 40 because it had 40 volumes.
Hmm, such a convincing reason, I think I might switch [:P]
What about Icloud, clipping, passage guide, topical guide and etc... What about for educational purpose. I would like to see how far can you go doing theological research with your "big selection of library" without even journals...
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Graham Criddle said:
no, resources are maintained and synced through Logos-controlled servers
That's what I thought. I guess Wild Eagle is making Wild Claims ;-)
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A number have recommended Accordance for original language work, but I don't see that they have any real advantage in that field. Logos has all of the standard resources in the field (Dictionary of Classical Hebrew coming). I have noted that a number of their resources are somewhat more expensive than in Logos (and some think that Logos is expensive!). As for the "bling", I simply ignore it. I really don't see a lot of difference between them. I don't know what Accordance has in its entire catalogue, but I tend to think that Logos is more extensive. It may be that one or the other program may have a particular resource that the other program doesn't have. Whether that is important to you depends on whether you really have a need for that particular resource. Accordance has the disadvantage of being tied to that ball and chain called MAC which they're trying to overcome—I'll wager that they will have similar problems to what Logos has had porting to the MAC platform.
george
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George Somsel said:
A number have recommended Accordance for original language work, but I don't see that they have any real advantage in that field. Logos has all of the standard resources in the field (Dictionary of Classical Hebrew coming). I have noted that a number of their resources are somewhat more expensive than in Logos (and some think that Logos is expensive!). As for the "bling", I simply ignore it. I really don't see a lot of difference between them. I don't know what Accordance has in its entire catalogue, but I tend to think that Logos is more extensive. It may be that one or the other program may have a particular resource that the other program doesn't have. Whether that is important to you depends on whether you really have a need for that particular resource. Accordance has the disadvantage of being tied to that ball and chain called MAC which they're trying to overcome—I'll wager that they will have similar problems to what Logos has had porting to the MAC platform.
George, I have a significant investment in both Logos and Accordance. I can't do it at the moment, but perhaps early next year, I might put together some more comparison videos between the two programs, this time specifically demonstrating Accordance's strengths with original languages. I'd say more, but if one goes into details about such things here, the Logos vigilantes users who patrol these forums with nothing better to do than call out folks who say anything positive at all about another product, invariably show up, and do their best to squelch honest conversation remind everyone of forum guidelines and the like.
I do think it would be fair to say this however-- I am running Accordance on both Windows (Surface Pro) and the Mac (MacBook Pro), and I can assure you that Accordance is absolutely no longer tied to the Mac (why do you use all caps for this word?). The Windows version is stable, was many times faster than the competition even in beta stages, and is its own program designed for Windows with Windows interface particulars--i.e. it's not simply a Mac port.
You would lose your wager that you mentioned. I've been running the Mac version of Logos since the abandoned version 1.x, then v. 4, and now v. 5x, and I can assure you that Accordance on Windows in the few months it's been available has not had the problems that the Mac version of Logos carried on with for years.
In fact, I predict that within two years, there will be more Accordance users in Windows than there are Accordance users on Macs simply because there are more Windows users, period.
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Gee, George. I think they ball/chained themselves to MS too. My W7 specifically! But I mainly read SacredBridge etc on iOS.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
Gee, George. I think they ball/chained themselves to MS too. My W7 specifically! But I mainly read SacredBridge etc on iOS.
But Windows is a superior OS.
george
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