What is the advantages of Logos over Accordance?
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I've got Accordance and love it. I find the interface better for exegetical work. It is fast, no indexing and I think in all the years that I have owned it, I have only submitted a couple of bug reports. It just works. All the time. I mean that. It works and works.
The iPad app is my go to when I am at church. It is very fast. I find Logos too slow when the preacher is moving through the text quickly.
That said, I have years of investment in Logos and there are resources I only have in this format. Logos is my primary research tool. I am grateful for the large number of resources that can now be had. I love clippings and wished they would work on the iPad as well.
So I use both side by side in their strengths.
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Guess this thread awakens from the dead periodically.
I have both. I suspect 'the answer' is 'both' these days. Some resources you can get on one, others on the other. Accordance even has AYB. But if you're trying to run up your resource count, then of course Logos. And if a pastor/teacher, then Logos (tool set, packages, etc).
I spend most of my time in OL and probably more accurately authoring (eg semantics, etc). If ones world is stictly 'the Bible', then OL in Accordance is probably better. But if you wish to stray a bit outside for comparables (eg what was the norm), then Logos is really the only choice.
Want to review 'Egypt'? Logos. Ugarit? Logos. 2nd Temple? Logos. Qumran? Logos. Greek writing habits? Logos. Church response to NT phrasings? Logos. Jewish response to OT phrasings? Logos.
Accordance has some 'get started' on the above, but you run out of resources pretty quick.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Welcome to the forum H D Gillis. I wonder if you read the OP. The question is of Logos advantage over Accordance, but your post comes here with advantage of Accordance over the Logos, which original poster did not ask. I find your post just a pure advertisement of Accordance. If you love Accordance, fine, just stick with it, but it's not good to come to this forum and push another product. I kind of wonder if you ever even use Logos?
H D Gillis said:Accordance has a lot more titles than most people think...
Really, I heard many times this lame excuse, but at the same time you eagerly wait for new resources to be released [:P]. It's all about the selection of library. How many journals do you have?
H D Gillis said:Accordance is more conservative in the way they count titles as well. For instance, they count a commentary set as one title, not 40 because it had 40 volumes.
Hmm, such a convincing reason, I think I might switch [:P]
What about Icloud, clipping, passage guide, topical guide and etc... What about for educational purpose. I would like to see how far can you go doing theological research with your "big selection of library" without even journals...
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Graham Criddle said:
no, resources are maintained and synced through Logos-controlled servers
That's what I thought. I guess Wild Eagle is making Wild Claims ;-)
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A number have recommended Accordance for original language work, but I don't see that they have any real advantage in that field. Logos has all of the standard resources in the field (Dictionary of Classical Hebrew coming). I have noted that a number of their resources are somewhat more expensive than in Logos (and some think that Logos is expensive!). As for the "bling", I simply ignore it. I really don't see a lot of difference between them. I don't know what Accordance has in its entire catalogue, but I tend to think that Logos is more extensive. It may be that one or the other program may have a particular resource that the other program doesn't have. Whether that is important to you depends on whether you really have a need for that particular resource. Accordance has the disadvantage of being tied to that ball and chain called MAC which they're trying to overcome—I'll wager that they will have similar problems to what Logos has had porting to the MAC platform.
george
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George Somsel said:
A number have recommended Accordance for original language work, but I don't see that they have any real advantage in that field. Logos has all of the standard resources in the field (Dictionary of Classical Hebrew coming). I have noted that a number of their resources are somewhat more expensive than in Logos (and some think that Logos is expensive!). As for the "bling", I simply ignore it. I really don't see a lot of difference between them. I don't know what Accordance has in its entire catalogue, but I tend to think that Logos is more extensive. It may be that one or the other program may have a particular resource that the other program doesn't have. Whether that is important to you depends on whether you really have a need for that particular resource. Accordance has the disadvantage of being tied to that ball and chain called MAC which they're trying to overcome—I'll wager that they will have similar problems to what Logos has had porting to the MAC platform.
George, I have a significant investment in both Logos and Accordance. I can't do it at the moment, but perhaps early next year, I might put together some more comparison videos between the two programs, this time specifically demonstrating Accordance's strengths with original languages. I'd say more, but if one goes into details about such things here, the Logos vigilantes users who patrol these forums with nothing better to do than call out folks who say anything positive at all about another product, invariably show up, and do their best to squelch honest conversation remind everyone of forum guidelines and the like.
I do think it would be fair to say this however-- I am running Accordance on both Windows (Surface Pro) and the Mac (MacBook Pro), and I can assure you that Accordance is absolutely no longer tied to the Mac (why do you use all caps for this word?). The Windows version is stable, was many times faster than the competition even in beta stages, and is its own program designed for Windows with Windows interface particulars--i.e. it's not simply a Mac port.
You would lose your wager that you mentioned. I've been running the Mac version of Logos since the abandoned version 1.x, then v. 4, and now v. 5x, and I can assure you that Accordance on Windows in the few months it's been available has not had the problems that the Mac version of Logos carried on with for years.
In fact, I predict that within two years, there will be more Accordance users in Windows than there are Accordance users on Macs simply because there are more Windows users, period.
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Gee, George. I think they ball/chained themselves to MS too. My W7 specifically! But I mainly read SacredBridge etc on iOS.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
Gee, George. I think they ball/chained themselves to MS too. My W7 specifically! But I mainly read SacredBridge etc on iOS.
But Windows is a superior OS.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
I'll wager that they will have similar problems to what Logos has had porting to the MAC platform.
Negative Ghostrider. I have friends who run the new Windows product and they are extremely pleased with it. Not everyone uses the RERO philosophy in software development. This has been discussed on these forums before and so I'll spare the restating of the strengths and weaknesses of this model.
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R. Mansfield said:
but if one goes into details about such things here, the Logos vigilantes users who patrol these forums with nothing better to do than call out folks who say anything positive at all about another product, invariably show up, and do their best to squelch honest conversation remind everyone of forum guidelines and the like
Sounds like you have some anger issues with forum regulars and rules. I'm sorry , if you do.
R. Mansfield said:I predict that within two years, there will be more Accordance users in Windows than there are Accordance users on Macs
I predict that in two hours there will be more Logos users than Accordance users and there will be more resources in Logos than there are in Accordance. (Oh, wait.. We are already at that juncture. Never mind. [:$])
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Donovan R. Palmer said:George Somsel said:
I'll wager that they will have similar problems to what Logos has had porting to the MAC platform.
Negative Ghostrider. I have friends who run the new Windows product and they are extremely pleased with it. Not everyone uses the RERO philosophy in software development. This has been discussed on these forums before and so I'll spare the restating of the strengths and weaknesses of this model.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Super.Tramp said:
Sounds like you have some anger issues with forum regulars and rules. I'm sorry , if you do.
Anger is way too strong of a word. Please do not ever presume upon my feelings again as you do not know me and have no context or position for making any responsible evaluation of my emotional state.
Super.Tramp said:I predict that in two hours there will be more Logos users than Accordance users and there will be more resources in Logos than there are in Accordance. (Oh, wait.. We are already at that juncture. Never mind.
)And there are more non-Christians than Christians in the world, but this fact does not have any bearing upon the truth or non-truth of either position.
"Narrow is the gate..." and all that.
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To answer the question in the thread title;
One advantage of Logos over Accordance is;
It is much easier to spell "L-o-g-o-s" with your Alpha-Bits cereal than it is to spell "A-c-c-o-r-d-a-n-c-e" (Seems the latter encounters too many broken letters.)
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George Somsel said:
I'm glad you provided the link to that music video. I was thinking Johnny Blaze.
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R. Mansfield said:
the Logos vigilantes users who patrol these forums with nothing better to do than call out folks who say anything positive at all about another product, invariably show up, and do their best to squelch honest conversation remind everyone of forum guidelines and the like.
You are exaggerating. IMHO if someone compares the software is one thing, but if someone just promotes another company, he does not contribute to Logos at all but in opposite tries to turn away their users. That's why I may look harsh on those people who are doing nothing but promoting another company. If someone doesnt like this software, fine, just use the one you like but dont come here with intention to turn away users. R Mansfield I am not talking about you here in this case, but in general about other users. Forum guidelines are clear:
"Please do not use our forums to promote or link to competitors." If someones posts do not bring contribution, or suggestion, but in opposite discourages people then Logos should delete those posts without any apologies.
"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill
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Wild Eagle said:
You are exaggerating. IMHO if someone compares the software is one thing, but if someone just promotes another company, he does not contribute to Logos at all but in opposite tries to turn away their users. That's why I may look harsh on those people who are doing nothing but promoting another company. If someone doesnt like this software, fine, just use the one you like but dont come here with intention to turn away users. R Mansfield I am not talking about you here in this case, but in general about other users. Forum guidelines are clear:
"Please do not use our forums to promote or link to competitors." If someones posts do not bring contribution, or suggestion, but in opposite discourages people then Logos should delete those posts without any apologies.
Well, since you stated your humble opinion, I'll state mine (of course, I'm not certain if mine is humble or not to be honest). I don't think I'm exaggerating. In fact, from my perspective your post proves that I'm not.
I simply find it childish that some users patrol these forums, quoting guidelines and such whenever someone might say something too positive about another product. I'm not denying that in some cases, talking too much about another product might be very inappropriate and even rude since these are Logos' forums (hence I didn't go into any detail above regarding the benefits of using Accordance for original language work). However, the constant jumping in to scold others seems a bit busybody-ish (I think I coined a term!) to me since such users who often do this do not work for Logos.
However, I understand the psychology of brand/team loyalty, so I doubt it's going to ever cease as long as people have time on their hands to do it.
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Super.Tramp said:
To answer the question in the thread title;
One advantage of Logos over Accordance is;
It is much easier to spell "L-o-g-o-s" with your Alpha-Bits cereal than it is to spell "A-c-c-o-r-d-a-n-c-e" (Seems the latter encounters too many broken letters.)
[:D]
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We have been told by top officials at Logos (Dan P.)that comparison of and mentioning competitors is FINE... what is a no no is saying Company A has blank for sale now heres the link..... a grey area that seems to be tolerated but I avoid doing is A has blank on sale for $EE will Logos match the price, if so why not?
-Dan
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There are lots of users who either don't realize or simply ignore how bad it is to give clickable links to the product pages of competitors. Do I need to explain why? I've explained on Dec. 2.
And no, publicly asking whether Logos could match a price is not OK. It's not a grey area.
The Logos forums are already so big, that more important things quickly get buried below new and/or updated threads.L2 Catholic new; Used: ODCC L5 Reformed Silver L6 Full Crossgrade; L6 Chinese Bronze new; L6 Ancient Literature Feature Expansion Collection (25 vols.) new, no dynamic pricing. Before packs had 100 books incl. AYBRL new
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Carl - have a look on the two "German Bible Society Bundles". In my opinion that's the best starting point for biblical language study. They include the Apparatus for BHS, NA27/28 and LXX , the Vulgata, etc. and very good Morphologies. I never bought a base package (only crossgrading from Libronix to Logos) because of so much resources I'm not interested in.
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R. Mansfield said:
I can't do it at the moment, but perhaps early next year, I might put together some more comparison videos between the two programs, this time specifically demonstrating Accordance's strengths with original languages.
Wonder about Accordance capabilities for showing contextual range of verbal expression ?
My favorite Logos and Verbum feature is visual filter highlighting that combines hundreds of search results for simultaneous display so can "see" Greek verbal range of expression in Greek, English, and Spanish:
Caveat: combining hundreds of search results for simultaneous display can take some time. Thankful for a 3rd generation i7 with Solid State Disk (SSD).
Wiki has => http://wiki.logos.com/Extended_Tips_for_Highlighting_and_Visual_Filters#Examples_of_visual_filters that includes link so members and followers of Faithlife group Logos Visual Filters can freely duplicate highlighting palettes and visual filters for use in their Logos library.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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My favorite Logos and Verbum feature is visual filter highlighting that combines hundreds of search results for simultaneous display so can "see" Greek verbal range of expression in Greek, English, and Spanish
*That* is cool! You'd think after several years of using L4/5 I wouldn't be so ignorant on these things, but there it is...
Donnie
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