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Mark Barnes said:
Anyway, I'm going to add a post asking specifically if this data can be exposed.
Thank you - I should have determined more carefully what was in the field.[:$]
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Mark Barnes said:
if MJ has New Jerusalem, and New Jersualem has Wisdom 10:3 as a cross reference,
I have the NJB but without it's notes and cross-references.
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MJ. Smith said:Mark Barnes said:
if MJ has New Jerusalem, and New Jersualem has Wisdom 10:3 as a cross reference,
I have the NJB but without it's notes and cross-references.
I don't have NJB, but I do see Wisdom 10:3.
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Fr Devin Roza said:MJ. Smith said:Mark Barnes said:
if MJ has New Jerusalem, and New Jersualem has Wisdom 10:3 as a cross reference,
I have the NJB but without it's notes and cross-references.
I don't have NJB, but I do see Wisdom 10:3.
just to clarify: in a Passage Guide on Gen 4:8 under Cross references? As only reference (like MJ) or in addition to the references Mark and I see, i.e. as part of the list in the right-hand side of the screenshot?
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That's it ... there's a picture in the thread I reported the bug
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Mark Barnes said:
I don't own NABRE, so I'm not able to determine whether or not it uses that.
I just bought NABRE and I can confirm it does have the cross references trait, so should be used in the Passage Guide. I can also confirm that running a Passage Guide after installing NABRE, I do now have Wisdom 10:3 in my Cross References section:
So, we now know:
- This section is generated dynamically from the resources in your library.
- Not all Bibles are used, only those with the contains-cross-reference-footnotes trait.
- Known Bibles which include that trait are the ESV, HCSB, NKJV, TNIV and NABRE. It is unlikely, but not impossible that other Bibles may also support this trait.
- That implementation is buggy.
- Manipulating the LibraryCatalog to add the trait to other resources that also have cross references doesn't work [:(]
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Mark Barnes said:
I can also confirm that running a Passage Guide after installing NABRE, I do now have Wisdom 10:3 in my Cross References section
So why don't I (or Mick) have it? I even hid, unhid, and reindexed my NABRE, but I still don't see it. Tried with Verbum set to both yes and no as well. And I don't have a saved guide for that verse either.
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fgh said:
So why don't I (or Mick) have it? I even hid, unhid, and reindexed my NABRE, but I still don't see it. Tried with Verbum set to both yes and no as well. And I don't have a saved guide for that verse either.
I can only suggest that there's a bug. MJ has already filed a report, to which I added the extra information we've gleaned since. There's been no response yet.
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Here are some other passages that should produce Apocryphal books in the cross reference panel. Perhaps you could all test these?
- Genesis 1:1 (Wisdom 11:17, Sirach 16:24, 2 Maccabees 7:28).
- Genesis 2:7 (Tobit 8:6, Wisdom 7:1, Sirach 33:10)
- Genesis 3:4 (Wisdom 2:24, Sirach 25:14)
- Wisdom 1:1 (Sirach 1:25)
- Sirach 51:13 (Sirach 34:9-13)
- John 3:12 (Wisdom 9:16-17)
- Revelation 19:2 (Prayer of Azariah 4)
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fgh said:Mark Barnes said:
I can also confirm that running a Passage Guide after installing NABRE, I do now have Wisdom 10:3 in my Cross References section
So why don't I (or Mick) have it? I even hid, unhid, and reindexed my NABRE, but I still don't see it. Tried with Verbum set to both yes and no as well. And I don't have a saved guide for that verse either.
I did the same to my NABRE, no luck.
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Mark Barnes said:
Known Bibles which include that trait are the ESV, HCSB, NKJV, TNIV and NABRE. It is unlikely, but not impossible that other Bibles may also support this trait.
I looked into the records table of my catalog.db and found this trait in all of the above, including NABRE (minus TNIV which I don't own) plus "La Biblia de las Americas".
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fgh said:Mark Barnes said:
I can also confirm that running a Passage Guide after installing NABRE, I do now have Wisdom 10:3 in my Cross References section
So why don't I (or Mick) have it? I even hid, unhid, and reindexed my NABRE, but I still don't see it. Tried with Verbum set to both yes and no as well. And I don't have a saved guide for that verse either.
I never use the Passage Guide since I feel it's rather useless. I don't have NABRE and don't get Wisdom 10.3 and think I should. It's perfectly well related to Gen 4.8. (NRSV)
But when an unrighteous man departed from her in his anger,
he perished because in rage he killed his brother.george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I think I found the reason: whether bug or (undocumented) design feature: the PG seems to restrict itself to references it can display in the currently preferred bible. Switching this to NABRE did the trick!
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George Somsel said:
I don't have NABRE and don't get Wisdom 10.3 and think I should.
If you don't have a resource with Wisdom 10:3 as a cross reference, then it won't appear in your cross references section. Like most sections in Logos, this one gathers information from the resources you own.
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I don't have NABRE as my preferred Bible, or even in my prioritisation list. I do have NRSV in my prioritisation, but quite low down.
So let me suggest another theory. Apocryphal books will only appear in the Cross References section if (a) you have a Bible with apocryphal cross references (e.g. NABRE), and (b) you have a Bible anywhere in your prioritisation list that supports the apocrypha.
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Mark Barnes said:
I don't have NABRE as my preferred Bible, or even in my prioritisation list. I do have NRSV in my prioritisation, but quite low down.
So let me suggest another theory. Apocryphal books will only appear in the Cross References section if (a) you have a Bible with apocryphal cross references (e.g. NABRE), and (b) you have a Bible anywhere in your prioritisation list that supports the apocrypha.
This is strange. All the time I did have NRSV in my top 5 prioritized English bibles, plus the NRSV Catholic Edition and the KJV with Apocrypha further down. Prioritization alone doesn't seem to cut it. Putting NABRE as #2 priorisation doesn't suffice on my installation. However, putting it on top works - and NRSV does as well.
So in yours, when you hover over the references, it shows the protestant canon ones in your preferred bible (whatever this may be) and the apocryphal links in NRSV?.
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NB.Mick said:
So in yours, when you hover over the references, it shows the protestant canon ones in your preferred bible (whatever this may be) and the apocryphal links in NRSV?
Correct.
I think I've worked it out, with your help. I think it requires that your most highly prioritised Bible (regardless of advanced prioritisation) must support the apocryphal books in its datatype, even if it doesn't include the apocryphal books in the text.
That Bible will determine the names of the Books (e.g. Song of the Three Youths vs Prayer of Azariah), and the order of the books (apocrypha at the end, or between the Testaments).
When testing, after you change your prioritisation you have to close and re-open the Passage Guide. F5 doesn't work.
Interestingly, it only worked for me it because of another bug. I discovered yesterday that the NKJV has an error in it's verse mapping which makes it think that it supports the apocryhpa when it doesn't. The NKJV isn't my favourite Bible, but I happen to have an advanced prioritisation version of it at the top of my prioritisation list.
Would anyone like to confirm?
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Mark Barnes said:
Would anyone like to confirm?
This prioritization doesn't work:
Moving the RSVCE above Bibel 82 works -- but is, of course, not an acceptable solution for me.
Note: Bibel 82 and Tillägg till GT 82 share a series tag. I can enter an Apocrypha reference in the first and get to the second, or the other way around.
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I was wrong, it's not ignoring advanced prioritisation. But it's definitely something to do with prioritisation, and I'm sure to do with datatype of the most highly prioritised resource.
If I prioritise Brenton (English) first, with no Advanced Prioritisation, then I get only the deutero-canonical books, like MJ, then I only get the books in Brenton (i.e. no NT books).
If I prioritise Brenton (English) but limit it to BDAG, then I get the proto-canonical books. then I get whatever is supported by the next Bible on the list.
If I prioritise the ESV I get both proto and deutero, with deutero coming after the NT (the ESV Bible datatype has been updated recently, so perhaps it now supports the apocrypha?).
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OK, I worked it out (I think). This assumes the new ESV datatype supports the apocrypha. Here's what I posted in the other thread:
Mark Barnes said:To summarise for the Logos engineers
- The problem is definitely related to the most highly prioritised Bible that isn't using advanced prioritisation to limit it to only one resource.
- It seems that the problem relates to the datatype of that preferred Bible. Apparently, only passages that are "valid" according to that datatype are displayed. This causes these problems:
- If your most highly prioritised Bible uses a Septuagint datatype, you'll never see any NT references.
- If your most highly prioritised Bible uses a protestant canon datatype, you'll never see any apocryphal references.
- If your most highly prioritised Bible uses an NT datatype, you'll never see OT or apocrypha references.
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fgh said:
This prioritization doesn't work:
Moving the RSVCE above Bibel 82 works -- but is, of course, not an acceptable solution for me.
What I now made is:
which will give hopefully all the cross-references and will display apocryphal books (NRSV has a wide choice of them in one large section) in NRSV and the protestant canon in NIV 2011 - which could be any other protestant canon bible here.
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NB.Mick said:
PG seems to restrict itself to references it can display in the currently preferred bible.
Unfair! My preferred canon is not necessarily the same as my preferred Bible ... especially when Logos doesn't always publish the largest canon available in a translation.[:@]
As my first prioritized Bibles are limited to specific books, it would never have occurred to me that they would affect my PG. And it was all for the sake of the Psalms of Solomon.
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NB.Mick said:
Your NRSV will become your Top Bible, and show up first in searches and Text Comparisons and so on.
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Mark Barnes said:NB.Mick said:
Your NRSV will become your Top Bible, and show up first in searches and Text Comparisons and so on.
Thanks Mark, now I see. Any idea for an alternative workaround other than that?
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NB.Mick said:
Any idea for an alternative workaround other than that?
Wait for Logos to fix the bug? [:P]
No, there's no other way, I'm afraid. To get apocryphal references in the Cross Reference tool, then your top Bible's datatype must support the apocrypha.
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With threads like this, who needs Agatha Christie?[:P]
Mark Barnes said:If your most highly prioritised Bible uses a Septuagint datatype, you'll never see any NT references.
Presumably the same is true for JPS as well.
Mark Barnes said:That will mess up your top Bibles.
It does, but should it? "Apply only to" doesn't seem to make much sense if Logos applies it anyway...
Mark Barnes said:your top Bible's datatype must support the apocrypha
And the fact that I can enter an Apocrypha reference and seamlessly go straight to it doesn't count as "support" obviously.[:(]
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fgh said:Mark Barnes said:
That will mess up your top Bibles.
It does, but should it? "Apply only to" doesn't seem to make much sense if Logos applies it anyway...
If you select "Apply only to... from this resource", then it won't mess up your top Bibles (but it won't fix the cross-references, either), because that limits the prioritisation to only one resource, so it's ignored when working out what the Top Bibles are globally. But if you select "Apply only to... in this range", then it does mess up your top Bibles. I guess that's because it would be confusing if Top Bibles kept changing depending on what passage you were studying, and it would cause chaos if your advanced prioritisation ranges were complex and you were studying a large passage.
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Mark Barnes said:
I guess that's because it would be confusing if Top Bibles kept changing depending on what passage you were studying
They already do, don't they? I'm too tired to try, but prioritizing e g Fox, Göttingen, JPS, NA28, NABRE and NRSV, in that order, should have that effect, shouldn't it?
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