John Gill

Just a reminder for any of you who haven't bid on John gill in community pricing. It has gone up by about 20% over the last year but many of its are patiently waiting. If anyone hasn't bid then I encourage you to do so!

by the way, is there any way to push the project forward without getting to 100%?

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Gabe Martini (Faithlife)

by the way, is there any way to push the project forward without getting to 100%?

Let me have the cost estimate for this re-worked. We have a new pricing/cost-estimate model that might push this closer to production.

Evan Boardman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504660#Comment_504660

by the way, is there any way to push the project forward without getting to 100%?

Let me have the cost estimate for this re-worked. We have a new pricing/cost-estimate model that might push this closer to production.

Cool!

JPH

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504754#Comment_504754

http://www.logos.com/product/8514/the-works-of-john-gill

Daniel Yoder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504763#Comment_504763

This resource does need a big boost. Jump in!

Wes Saad

I've been in for a while. Still waiting, still hoping.

Daniel Yoder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/507812#Comment_507812

I am also waiting for this. Let's get this un-stuck.

Gabe Martini (Faithlife)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/511942#Comment_511942

This one needs more bids, but we are also having some trouble tracking down quality files for some of the volumes. I'll keep you posted.

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/512915#Comment_512915

Can you give us some idea of how many more bids are needed and/or how many increases of current bids would get us there? I do not know if Logos has considered something like this before, but I would probably be willing to either buy the resource for another friend and/or make an additional contribution towards production costs if we had some idea about what would be needed to get this over the finish line.

Hope you had success in finding better files for some of the volumes as well.

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/515340#Comment_515340

Bump! If you have not bid on Gill then please consider doing so!

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/521151#Comment_521151

Bump!

Edil

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/528865#Comment_528865

Waiting since April 1, 2012

Robert M. Warren

I've been in this one for a long time. I recently upped my bid to $60. I made Personal Books of the commentaries, and I think another gentleman posted an all-in-one volume edition of the Gill commentaries in the Files forum. But the more Personal Books I tag and compile, the more I appreciate what Logos tags into their resources.

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/529124#Comment_529124

Yes, I saw the posts with the other file but really look forward to keeping this near the top so that at some point it can go into production.

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/532741#Comment_532741

Bump

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/538211#Comment_538211

Regular bump to remind people about one of the most important resources that still waits in community pricing.

Read the words of Spurgeon on the page for this resource. Many others have posted other authors and theologians who have written about the value of Gill, and people need to know about who he is and all of his writings.

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/551876#Comment_551876

Christian,

Gabe had mentioned another internal pricing model that may have pushed this closer to production. Do you know if he had looked at that before you came on as the representative for this product line?

Mark

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/551877#Comment_551877

What do we need to do for this? Should we take up a collection by those who have already bid? I wonder if there would be any way to have higher bids apply to cp to drive a project to completion for example, if 65% of bidders bid at the 40 dollar level but others were willing to pay more to get the resource published (such as bid the max price allowed), could logos get this and other cp works done? I get the ease of charging everyone yhe same, but a model like this would help some projects that have stalled.

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/554069#Comment_554069

I guess one other idea would be to sponsor others to bid on this. If I cannot artificially increase my own bid to cover more costs ill just have to find others. Anyone else in to find one or more friends who haven't bid on this yet?

Tes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/554412#Comment_554412

I have placed my Bid.

Christian Locatell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/554069#Comment_554069

Yes, this is a great resource that I would also love to see in Logos. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. I'm going to try to hit this product hard with some promotion through the Reformed channels (email, Facebook, Twitter, etc.). Hopefully that will push it closer to production.

Something you could do to help is to like and invite your friends to like the Logos Reformed Facebook page to help spread the word. You can also follow us on twitter and retweet promos for resources like John Gill's works.

Thanks again,

Christian

Brett Avants

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/554417#Comment_554417

Placed my bid. This would be an awesome resource.

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/561526#Comment_561526

An excellent article about Dr. Gill by someone else who should have their works in Logos (George Ella).

http://evangelica.de/articles/biographies/john-gill-and-the-charge-of-hyper-calvinism/

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/562208#Comment_562208

The Preface from The Cause of God and Truth:

It should be known by the reader, that the following work was
undertaken and begun about the year 1733 or 1734, at which time

Dr. Whitby's Discourse on the Five Points was reprinting, judged

to be a masterpiece on the subject, in the English tongue, and
accounted an unanswerable one ; and it was almost in the mouth
of every one, as an objection to the Calvinists, Why do not ye
answer Dr. Wliitby ? Induced hereby, I determined to give it
another reading, and found myself inclined to answer it, and
thought this was a very proper and seasonable time to engage in
such a work.
In the year 1735, the First Part of this work was published, in
which are considered the several passages of Scripture made use
of by Dr. Whitby and others in favour of the Universal Scheme,
and against the Calvinistical Scheme, in which their arguments
and objections are answered, and the several passages set in a
just and proper light. These, and what are contained in the
following Part in favour of the Particular Scheme, are extracted
from Sermons delivered in a Wednesday evening's lecture.
The Second Part was published in the year 1736, in which the
several passages of Scripture in favour of special and
distinguishing grace, and the arguments from them, are
vindicated from the exceptions of the Arminiani, and particularly
from Dr. Whitby, and a reply made to answers and objections to
them.
The Third Part was published in 1737, and is a confutation of the
arguments from reason used by the Arminians, and particularly by
Dr. Whitby, against the above doctrines ; and a vindication of
such as proceed on rational accounts in favour of them, in which it

appears that they are no more disagreeable to right reason than
to divine revelation ; to the latter of which the greatest deference
should be paid, though the Rationalists of our age too much
neglect it, and have almost quitted it ; but to the law and to the
testimony, if they speak not according to this word'it is because
there is no light in them.
In this part of the work is considered the agreement of the
sentiments of Mr. Hobbes and the Stoic philosophers with those
of the Calvinists, in which the difference between them is
observed, and the calumny removed ; to which is added, a
Defence of the'Objections to the Universal Scheme, taken from
the prescience and the providence of God, and the case of the
Heathens.
The Fourth Part was published m 1738, in which the sense of the
ancient writers of the Christian Church, before the times of Austin,
is given ; the importance and consequence of which is shown,
and that the Arminians have very little reason to triumph on that
account.
This work was published at a time when the nation was greatly
alarmed with the growth of Popery, and several learned
gentlemen were employed in preaching against some particular
points of it ; but the author of this work was of opinion, that the
increase of Popery was greatly owing to the Pelagianism,
Arminianism, and other supposed rational schemes men run into,
contrary to divine revelation, This was the sense of our fathers in
the last century, and therefore joined these and Popery together
in their religious grievances they were desirous of having
redressed ; and indeed, instead of lopping off the branches of
Popery, the axe should be laid to the root of the tree, Arminianism
and Pelagianism, the very ufe and soul of Popery.

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/562726#Comment_562726

Here is a free PDF online of The Cause of God and Truth. Praying for Dr. Gill's works to make it into Logos soon!

http://grace-ebooks.com/library/John Gill/JG_Cause of God and Truth The.pdf

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/562727#Comment_562727

Bump! Time to start pushing John Gill Again!

Evan Boardman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/585669#Comment_585669

The other base packages are making books to be published, I would like to see the Reformed Base Package put Gill into production.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/585679#Comment_585679

The other base packages are making books to be published, I would like to see the Reformed Base Package put Gill into production.

Doesn't help unless they are included in the packages. Gill's Commentary, Speaker's Commentary really should have been included in base packages (reform and Anglican respectively).

-dan

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/585679#Comment_585679

There is always room for reformed portfolio!

Evan Boardman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/585738#Comment_585738

Maybe Logo's would put Gill in the Baptist's Base Package?

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/585774#Comment_585774

Bump for Gill............Someone has to take up the marketing cause!

Andy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/585738#Comment_585738

There is always room for reformed portfolio!

Absolutely. But please, not for a good few months. I am not sure my wallet could stand it [:S].

[:D]

And, while I am here, bump for Gill!

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590842#Comment_590842

Monthly bump for Gill.

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504660#Comment_504660

Christian,

Do you know if the new pricing/cost estimate that Gabe referred to was ever run on this resource? Please advise when you are able.

Mark

Christian Locatell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/601294#Comment_601294

Yes, it took some work, but after digging for better materials and working out some issues, we did get a more precise estimate.

Unfortunately, the new estimate is higher than we originally thought. Sorry, I guess that plan backfired.

Let's just keep spreading the word and hopefully it will go into production sooner rather than later. Thanks for keeping the dream alive!

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/601508#Comment_601508

Unfortunately, the new estimate is higher than we originally thought. Sorry, I guess that plan backfired.

Let's just keep spreading the word and hopefully it will go into production sooner rather than later. Thanks for keeping the dream alive!

Up your bids, everyone! John Gill

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/601508#Comment_601508

Doh! I guess sometimes it is better to leave well enough alone [:O]

Will keep bumping Monthly and it may help to pull great passages from his commentary and show the depth of exegesis that everyone is missing by not having this resource.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/601565#Comment_601565

I have been in since 2013, and in at 40 or 50$ iirc.

Matt Hamrick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/529102#Comment_529102

I've been waiting patiently since November 8, 2010 for this. It will come eventually I hope.

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/601774#Comment_601774

From the Baptist Encyclopaedia that was just released:

Gill, John, D.D., was born at Kettering, Northamptonshire, England, Nov. 23, 1697. His father, Edward Gill, was a Baptist in the membership of a union church composed of Presbyterians, Congregationalists, and Baptists, in which, beside a Pedobaptist pastor, Mr. William Wallis, a Baptist was a teaching elder, with authority to immerse adults. As Isaac Backus found this system a cause of controversy and strife in New England, so it proved in Kettering, and Edward Gill, William Wallis, and their friends found it necessary to withdraw and form a Particular Baptist church. Edward Gill was elected one of the deacons. To the end of his life he obtained a good report for “grace, piety, and holy conversation.”
His son John early showed uncommon talents, and quickly surpassed those of his own age, and many much older, in acquiring knowledge. Before he was eleven years of age, under the instruction of an Episcopal clergyman, who had charge of the grammar-school of which he was a pupil, he had read the principal Latin classics, and had made such progress in Greek that he became an object of wonder and admiration to several ministers who were familiar with his attainments. The bookseller’s shop in the town was only open on the market-day, and by the favor of the proprietor John Gill was continually found there on that day consulting various authors. This remarkable studiousness attended him throughout life. His teacher commenced the practice of requiring the children of Dissenters to attend prayers in the Episcopal church on week-days along with the youths that belonged to the Church of England. The law probably gave him authority to exhibit his mean bigotry in this way. But Dissenting parents properly resented this pious effort of the clerical teacher, and withdrew their children from his care. Deprived of an instructor, he studied with even increased industry, and soon became a proficient in logic, rhetoric, natural and moral philosophy, and Latin, Greek, and Hebrew. In Latin he read the hoarded treasures of ancient and modern divinity until he was conversant with all the great writers of Western Christendom.

JOHN GILL, D.D

When he was about twelve years of age, a sermon preached by Mr. Wallis, his father’s pastor, on the words, “And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?” made a solemn impression upon his mind; his sins and the wrath of God alarmed him; and for some time he was in the deepest distress. But the Saviour drew near and showed him his wounds and dying throes, and everlasting love, and by grace he was enabled to trust him, and to find liberty and justification. On the 1st of November, 1716, he was baptized in a neighboring river, and received into the fellowship of the church of Kettering.
Almost immediately after, by the advice of friends, he began to preach, first at Higham Ferrers, and afterwards at Kettering. The Lord blessed these ministrations to the conversion of a considerable number of persons, and high hopes were cherished about the future usefulness of Mr. Gill.
He was elected pastor of the church at Horsleydown, South wark, London, and ordained to the gospel ministry in its meeting-house March 22, 1720. Of this church the celebrated Benjamin Keach had been pastor, whose son Elias founded the oldest church now existing in Pennsylvania, the mother of all the Baptist churches in Philadelphia. Difficulties which met him on entering upon his pastoral life in London soon disappeared, his meeting-house was thronged with people, conversions were numerous, and for over fifty-one years he was a power in London, and a religious authority all over Great Britain and America.
In comparatively early life he began to collect Hebrew works, the two Talmuds, the Targums, and everything bearing on the Old Testament and its times, and it is within bounds to say that no man in the eighteenth century was as well versed in the literature and customs of the ancient Jews as John Gill. He has sometimes been called the Dr. John Lightfoot of the Baptists. This compliment, in the estimation of some persons, flatters Dr. Lightfoot more than Dr. Gill, great an authority as Dr. Lightfoot undoubtedly was on all questions of Hebrew learning. In 1748, Dr. Gill received his diploma of Doctor of Divinity from Aberdeen, in which his attainments are described “as extraordinary proficiency in sacred literature, the Oriental tongues, and Jewish antiquities.”
His “Dissertation Concerning the Antiquity of the Hebrew Language, Letters, Vowel Points, and Accents,” has been described as “a masterly effort, of profound research, which would have shown Dr. Gill to have been a prodigy of reading and literature had he never published a syllable on any other subject.”
His “Body of Divinity,” published in 1769, is a work without which no theological library is complete. His grand old doctrines of grace, taken unadulterated from the Divine fountain, presented in the phraseology and with the illustrations of an intellectual giant, and commended by a wealth of sanctified Biblical learning only once in several ages permitted to mortals, sweep all opposition before them, and leave no place for the blighted harvests, the seed of which was planted by James Arminius in modern times. In this work eternal and personal election to a holy life, particular redemption from all guilt, resistless grace in regeneration, final preservation from sin and the Wicked one, till the believer enters paradise, and the other doctrines of the Christian system, are expounded and defended by one of the greatest teachers in Israel ever called to the work of instruction by the Spirit of Jehovah.
Dr. Gill’s commentary is the most valuable exposition of the Old and New Testaments ever published. In codices of the Scriptures, recently discovered, there are some more authoritative readings than those known in Gill’s day; and light has been cast upon the inspired records by explorations in the East, lately undertaken, and still in progress. But except in these features, Gill’s commentary has the largest amount of valuable information ever presented to Christians, in the form of “Annotations on the Bible.” The work was republished in Philadelphia by a Presbyterian elder in 1811; and in Ireland by an Episcopal clergyman some years ago. His other writings are numerous and of great merit. His works are still in demand at large prices on both sides of the Atlantic.
He was among the first contributors to Rhode Island College, now Brown University; and in his will he bequeathed a complete set of his works and fifty-two folio volumes of the fathers to that institution. Dr. Manning stated at the time that “this was by far the greatest donation the little library of the college had as yet received.” The works are still in the library at Providence.
Dr. Gill died in possession of perfect consciousness, and in the full enjoyment of the Saviour’s love, Oct. 14, 1771. His death occasioned great sorrow, especially among the friends of truth throughout this country and Great Britain, and many funeral sermons were preached to commemorate his great worth.
Dr. Gill was of middle stature, neither tall nor short, he was well proportioned, a little inclined to corpulency, his countenance was fresh and healthful, and he enjoyed a serene cheerfulness which continued with him almost to the last.
He was one of the purest men that ever lived; the sovereign grace for which he so nobly waged war was his own refuge and strength, and it gave him a life-long victory over all outward and internal evils.
He was a man of great humility, though flattered by large numbers. He could honestly say, “By the grace of God I am what I am;” he felt the truth of this apostolic experience, and glorified sovereign grace.
He knew more of the Bible than any one with whose writings we are acquainted. “Dr. Gill,” says John Ryland, “leads into an ocean of divinity by a system of doctrinal and practical religion, and by a judicious and learned exposition of the Old and New Testaments.”
The profound and pious Episcopalian, Toplady, who was frequently at a week-night lecture of Dr. Gill’s, the author of the hymn,—

“Rock of Ages, shelter me,
Let me hide myself in thee.”

says of the doctor, “So far as the doctrines of the gospel are concerned, Gill never besieged an error which he did not force from its strongholds; nor did he ever encounter an adversary to truth whom he did not baffle and subdue. His doctrinal and practical writings will live and be admired, and be a standing blessing to posterity, when their opposers are forgotten, or only remembered by the refutations he has given them. While true religion and sound learning have a single friend remaining in the British Empire, the works and name of Gill will be Precious and revered.”

Cathcart, W. (Ed.). (1881). In The Baptist Encyclopædia. Philadelphia: Louis H. Everts.

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/604955#Comment_604955

What needs to happen to get Gill into production? Do we need to start up a fundraiser/collection for the shortfall on CP? Some people have offered the same on past posts so perhaps we all need to give Logos a call. Anyway, Monthly Bump For Gill!

Robert Harner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/607474#Comment_607474

the problem is folks bidding $40 and less for over 12K of pages! Not gonna happen. If everyone went to $65 or so it will fly.

https://www.logos.com/product/8514/the-works-of-john-gill

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/608012#Comment_608012

Yes, but much more likely to get people to go to 45 or 50. Will keep bumping this to ensure it stays near the top.

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/608050#Comment_608050

I still can't understand why this treasure remains buried. I upped my bid and would gladly pay even more. Sure I can pull it up for free elsewhere, but this should be a no-brainer for Logos.

C'mon folks, lets see if we can light a fire under the Logos crew to get this one into production!

DHG

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/607474#Comment_607474

I wonder if there's something in the works? I hope.

https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=John+Gill

Mike Pettit

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/641395#Comment_641395

I wonder if there's something in the works? I hope.

https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=John+Gill

Now that is interesting!

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/641403#Comment_641403

Hey I found gill!

https://www.logos.com/product/43554/baptist-diamond He is also in Baptist Platinum, which for me is only about 390$

Jesse Myers

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/645458#Comment_645458

Yes, it is in Baptist Platinum, Diamond and in the new Collector's Edition.

Stephen Steele

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/645623#Comment_645623

What happens if we have a current CP bid for this and DON'T buy one of the base packages which comes with it?

Jesse Myers

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/645735#Comment_645735

You'll still receive it. It will release at some point in the new year. If you buy a Base Package containing it your bid would be cancelled so you wouldn't be double billed.

Mark Ziebold

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/645810#Comment_645810

What will the price be for those people who buy through cp If it does not cross 100%?