Help! What should an SDA base package look like?
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Edwin Sully PAYET said:
I am specifically talking about Hebrew or Greek simple or complex searches, not English ones
Edwin, I do not have Bible Works, and have never used it. Can you give some examples of what you may be looking for in Hebrew and Greek searches? Just the final result.
Here is the link for clause searching http://www.logos.com/support/logos5/clause-search
Here is the video for syntax searching http://www.logos.com/support/logos5/syntax-search
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Here is a video for Hebrew searching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JFAl_gaLzA
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden Williams said:Edwin Sully PAYET said:
I am specifically talking about Hebrew or Greek simple or complex searches, not English ones
Edwin, I do not have Bible Works, and have never used it. Can you give some examples of what you may be looking for in Hebrew and Greek searches? Just the final result.
Here is the link for clause searching http://www.logos.com/support/logos5/clause-search
Here is the video for syntax searching http://www.logos.com/support/logos5/syntax-search
I appreciate Lynden your link, but they do not always help when you come to languages search for Hebrew and Greek
As I previously said, I am not sure Logos would be happy that I do the difference here but since you insist let me mention a few examples.
One of the main advantages is speed: So far, If i want to do simple research (search the 'lemma' search for "adonai" in Hebrew), on the same computer, it is faster on BW (less than a second) than in logos (minimum 5 seconds) That may depend may be on the computer you are using, I agree. But the result may be sometimes different: logos tells me for searching the BHS/WIVU: 439 found in 424 verses; the Lexham Hebrew Bible: 773 results in 710 verses
in BW: 711 verses, 17 forms, 775 hits (0.31 secs)
you can search a phrase: "adonai yhwh" in Hebrew same results for BHS/WIVU; Lexham Hebrew Bible in LOGOS and in BW (except the speed): 284 verses, 293 hits
but in BW, you can also do a search for the phrase " lemma 'adonai' followed by lemma 'yhwh'": 299 verses, 22 forms, 309 hits
you can also do a search for the phrase " lemma 'adonai' followed by lemma 'yhwh'" but with a word between word between the two: 308 verses, 22 forms, 320 hits. You can do the same search with two/three/four... words in between. I am not sure, (and I am not sure how either), but I believe Logos can do that too
But in BW, you can search"adonai" "yhwh" in the same verse, whatever order they come, whatever the number of words are between them: 390 verses, 22 forms, 497 hits
even you can search"adonai" "yhwh" in the same verse, whatever order they come, whatever the number of words are between them, but without any occurrences of "Elohim" in the verse: 349 verses, 15 forms, 434 hits
For the verbs, I can ask more complex search such as "a verb 1 (in piel or in hithpael)" together in the same verse with "verb2 or verb3"
Recently, I was searching on how to search for Hebrew accents on Logos: It seems that it was not "designed" for it (I Have to admit it bugs also for at least one particular accent that I know in BW. that is why I wanted to search in Logos. But the rest seems fine!)
In Acc...ce, you could search for a particular word (Noun, article, verb, or prepositions) that starts any verse in the OT
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Edwin, my knowledge of Alaskan politics, surpasses my knowledge of Hebrew. Give me some suggestions in Greek. Never did Hebrew.
Here is what I achieved using the ESV and right clicking on the word Lord, choosing the lemma.
May not be an exactly fair comparison, since the previous results were already loaded in the memory. Would need a cold boot to get a fair comparison.
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Match all word forms was used in both searches.
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Edwin Sully PAYET said:
As I previously said, I am not sure Logos would be happy that I do the difference here but since you insist let me mention a few examples.
Maybe if you took out the reference to that other program and asked in General how to do each of the searches that you want to do you might get some help from the Logos Forum Greek Geeks.
Your current post is hidden from normal view here in a SDA portion so don't worry.
EDIT: Oh I see that you have already started doing that - It is still early - if no answers post to that thread with just the word 'Bump' but not too often
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/75239/526290.aspx#526290
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well Lynden,
I am more in Hebrew for now than Greek...
that's one good thing with Logos, you can start your Hebrew search with the English word you are looking for
as I already mentioned the result are not the same between the first one (6828 hits in 5791 verses) and the second one (6007 hits in 5195 verses)
I am glad for you for the speed of your computer. I never got that speed for an Hebrew search. But as I said it depends on each computer (how old, How it is loaded, what program you use in the same time with logos or not, ...)
actually the simple search are "simple" to do. and so far, I can manage well with them (except for the difference of hits/occurrences). It is more the complex searches that make me more frustrated at time when you need a specific thing as I mentioned earlier. as I already mentioned, for complex searches, I still need to improve my knowledge on Logos to be convince that Logos do at least the same "job". May be it is because I am too new in Logos and I do not know how to do in Logos. I would however be glad to learn
twice I requested help (one only today), so I will see with time. It could have been nice if there is a set/list of complex command lines for different possible searches for English as much as Hebrew or Greek. That could be a good help
But I may need to create a special request on the general forum for that
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David Ames said:
Maybe if you took out the reference to that other program and asked in General how to do each of the searches that you want to do you might get some help from the Logos Forum Greek Geeks.
Your current post is hidden from normal view here in a SDA portion so don't worry.
Well my plan was not to post it there. It was just to answer another post.
And yes, since i am a bit new, when I am really frustrated, I ask on the forum
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Here are my specs. Not a speed demon by any chance.
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Has the help function been of assistance?
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There are no regional discounts in Logos, but there are great opportunities for anyone to get resources at low prices through sales and community pricing.
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If you have a machine with sufficient capacity and RAM, speed should not be an issue in Logos 5. It was in previous versions of Logos, but not in L5.
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It is a joy to work with you all in getting SDA products into Logos. I'm happy to say that the all Logos base packages (including the upcoming SDA base packages) have dynamic pricing, which means that if you already own resources therein your cost will be reduced accordingly.
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HI you are right: If I open just Logos it has the results in less than a second.
But If I open many things (logos, word, some other softwares, firefox using internet, playing music, ...) in the same time with Logos, then it takes some more seconds to do the search
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When I increased my RAM from 4 to 8, my searching really sped up.
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Hi Martin
I like what you are doing in Logos for us to have Adventist resources.
My concern is that, even cheap as sometimes it can be, the place where I will go back and work (and so many other countries with small salaries) very very few will be able to afford Logos if it is not subsidized.
If you want to know more and/or to talk in private, I would be glad to send you an email
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well I cannot afford it for now!Martin Weber said:When I increased my RAM from 4 to 8, my searching really sped up.
But that's fine. I have learn to manage with it
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Hi all, I'm brand new to Logos and have been doing a LOT of reading and researching about what to purchase and how the purchasing process works, but I still have some confusions and questions I cannot find answers to.
1 ) I want to get the SDA Expanded Bible Commentary, but after reading this thread I'm concerned an even better, newer package will become available soon. Is this a real concern? Or will I get a free update to my bundle should an improved version come out later?2 ) Also, a general question, am I correct in understanding that if I wish to buy a book bundle that contains some books I already own, that the bundle price will automatically decrease to account for the books I already own? That would be pretty cool.
3 ) I've also seen discussion about the SDA Expanded Bible Commentary not yet being tagged and or having scripture reference links. Has this been updated yet? Or is it still in the works?
4 ) In a nutshell, should I just buy the SDA Expanded Bible Commentary now? Or wait for an improved version or something altogether better?So many questions, I know. But thanks all! I'm very excited about using this great tool!
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Wonder if I should hold off on purchasing sda resources with the sda package coming out?
Dynamic pricing reduces cost but it never drops the full amount, which is understandable of course since they are already lowering cost.
But when one has purchase most of the sda products, one might actually be paying more in the long run
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Welcome to the forums CJ.
There is no guarantee that the Bible Commentary will be included in a base package.
If you buy the Expanded version, and it is updated with links, the new version will be free.
We do not know what will be in the base packages, and there will probably be more than one base package. You do get discounts for what you own, but not the full price, as the cost of the base packages is not the full cost of all the books combined.
I would encourage you to join this group, as you may find some information here that may be of assistance. https://faithlife.com/seventh-day-adventist/activity
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You guys are quick, thanks for the answers! I am now incredibly anxious for these packages to be unveiled.
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I would love to see the SDA base package have: SDA Minister's Manual, SDA Church Manual, EGW Encyclopedia, Bible Commentaries, Light Bearers, as well as other Pioneer Writings- like Lessons on Faith. I affirm what Logos is doing in working with our church! I think there is so much potential to get this in all of our conferences and SDA colleges. I'm at the seminary now and I know a lot of my fellow classmates are excited about the upcoming base packages!
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David Salazar said:
Wonder if I should hold off on purchasing sda resources with the sda package coming out?
Dynamic pricing reduces cost but it never drops the full amount, which is understandable of course since they are already lowering cost.
But when one has purchase most of the sda products, one might actually be paying more in the long run
Catch 22 [from a book of that name] if SDA Resources do not sell will there be a SDA package coming out?
In other words: If a large number of SDA Resources do not sell at CP, Pre Pub, or full price will Logos allow a SDA Package to be offered? Will there be resources available for it? Or will Logos offer SDA [Or Orthodox, etc] packages if they do not see the advance sales of resources?
In other words if we stop buying now will Logos offer 'things' for us latter?
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David Ames said:
Catch 22 [from a book of that name] if SDA Resources do not sell will there be a SDA package coming out?
In other words: If a large number of SDA Resources do not sell at CP, Pre Pub, or full price will Logos allow a SDA Package to be offered? Will there be resources available for it? Or will Logos offer SDA [Or Orthodox, etc] packages if they do not see the advance sales of resources?
In other words if we stop buying now will Logos offer 'things' for us latter?
Most of the SDA CP offerings aren't doing so great. I don't think there's much demand for old magazine articles or church manuals. If it's incorporated into the base package I think there will be more excitement over them (knowing that it's there), instead of bidding individually for them (trying to get things one may never read). Important to remember that most of SDA CP offerings have not been requested. And regarding AR and Liberty, I believe we had more in mind current issues.
PrePub - i think just about all SDA resources had made it through (with the exception of Gulley's - EDIT - just noticed it's underdevelopment). So it's clear that Adventist Logos users will buy SDA resources.
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I don't think the SDA Bible Commentary will be in any of our base packages, at least initially. The resource was tagged a decade ago by the publisher with open source code from Logos in the now long-outmoded Libronix format. It needs to be completely retagged, which is a huge expense and also involves serious contractual challenges too complex to iterate here. I'm in discussions about it (as of last week), but even the best scenario isn't anytime soon. I'll keep you updated when there is anything to report.
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You are correct, David, that a lot of the SDA resources on CP are struggling for funding. I will say that all of them have been requested, or I would not have had them posted. There are other resources (books frequently mentioned on this forum) that I much prefer over such items as Life & Health and the SDA Church Manual, but we do not yet have licensing for them and thus cannot post them. It's a complex situation requiring constant nurturing, which is certainly going on behind the scenes. Prospects are good but things take their time. I appreciate your encouragement and prayers.
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well Martin
We always appreciate your good work
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Thank you, Edwin. It's my privilege to be your servant at Logos. I appreciate your prayers for my ministry here as your SDA representative, and I pray that God will bless all of you in your own vital ministry for Him. Someday soon we will all be together in heaven. I wonder what technology there will be for us to review the history of the Great Controversy and see how God has intervened for human salvation--and in each of our lives individually as royal servants commissioned Jesus in heaven's sanctuary--the human resource center of the universe.
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Hi!
Any news on that? Is anything coming out the end of this year?
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Plans now call for the SDA base packages to be released early next year, due to delays in getting SDA materials licensed. We finally have enough material under contract, but now it will take some time in getting these resources processed into the Logos system. I'll keep you posted about progress.
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