Chromebook
Is there an install available to run Proclaim from a Chromebook?
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Not likely since a Chromebook requires all apps to run in Chrome browser and Proclaim doesn't.
I'd like it if they'd offer a fully cloud option that would run on iPad, Chromebook, Android. But not likely since its too complicated an app. Before the do this they need to get it fully functional with all the features that most major presenation apps offer like DVD playing, youtube playing and better templates for bibles, lyrics etc.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
Kevin is correct, Proclaim is not supported on the Chromebook.
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Boy, I would love to see Proclaim supported on a Chromebook.
Dealing with Windows updates on a computer that crashed today, and Chromebook is looking more and more promising to me! I probably wouldn't use it in the church sound booth, but for when I do camp presentations and stuff, it would be great!0 -
I was exploring the Chromebook/Proclaim option just today. I am a pastor who uses Proclaim and I'm a Logos Portfolio customer. With so much invested, I'd like to think the company would come up to speed with emerging technology and OS. If not, someone else will.
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Found this link that goes over how many use each OS (Windows, OSX, Chromebook). Keep in mind, this is only laptops and tablets. I just wouldn't think it'd be in the best interest of Logos to spend the resources for Chromebook...yet. One of the comments on this article even suggested that Chromebooks are a fad. Not really something you'd want to spend 200k or more just to see it disappear. Plus, that's the entire market. How much of that market has Proclaim? I doubt even 1% because 1% in this is probably equal to 1 million users.
Just my observation.
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It's been nearly 4 years since the previous post. ChromeOS has grown leaps and bounds, and now supports Android apps. Chromebooks outsell Macs and are used by the same students that probably help many churches with their weekly presentations. The devices themselves are more capable than ever. It looks like the hardware is only going to get more powerful. These devices can do a ton of things. I have several in my home. The only time I use my desktop Windows machine anymore is to edit something in Photoshop or to edit a Proclaim presentation. I can't tell you how many times I could have used Proclaim on a Chromebook. This certainly could be doable if not inevitable as the next major development of Proclaim.
Personally, I think Proclaim should make their "remote" apps for iOS and Android more capable. It wouldn't be that far fetched to enable editing the text on slides or even adding a new Bible slide or song from a mobile app. The more complicated step beyond that would be presenting from a mobile device. It would be doable with iOS because AirPlay works pretty well. Chromecast for Android could also work, but it would be more beta status with a few draw backs like not supporting motion backgrounds. However, this is the future, and it is where the technology should be headed.
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I agree! I recently got a Chromebook, and I was pleasantly surprised at how much I could do on it. The fact that it updates in a couple minutes, is instant on and instant off, and doesn't require anti-virus software, is enough to make me want to do more and more on it. It's fast, well built, has a great screen, and with the Logos web app getting more and more capable, I can see me shifting my usage to the Chromebook. Of course, when I want to do "serious" study, I still go back to my Windows machine and fire up Logos 7. That's the main reason I still need Windows.
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Thanks, Bob!
I really see Chromebooks taking off from here. Whether the development team behind Proclaim decides to build a web app or a native Android app optimized for ChromeOS, I'd love to be able to access and edit Proclaim on my Chromebooks. There are a ton of general use presentation apps online that are great, so it's not like developing a web app is that far fetched of an idea. Taking advantage of device hardware and speed with a native Android app could also be a good idea for an app like this.
As far as using Windows to fire up Logos 7 for "serious" study, I don't see why Logos couldn't also build their Logos Cloud app out with all the same features as the Windows app. The web is more powerful than ever before.
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I don't think that a webapp could handle all the Proclaim does. BTW Logos Web App for their Bible study pales in comparison to the desktop app too. Their sturggling to get syncing notes done. If you really want presentation software for your Chromebook with Android apps check out LyricsPro. They are promising a webapp sometime this year. Not affiliated with them and don't use it since we have a Windows PC in our sanctuary, but I'd really like to see this go. The updated Chromebox from Asus would make this an interesting option for small churches if it works well as a webapp.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
Thanks for the suggestion of LyricsPro. I'll have to look into that.
Regarding webapps:
I'm sorry to have to disagree, but this argument that web apps can't handle all that Proclaim or Logos does isn't much of an argument. If we're talking about Proclaim's advanced features for live video and moving backgrounds, then you may have a point. If we are talking about raw power in accessing and displaying information, the argument is that a web server or data center is somehow less powerful than my local Windows machine. The web is infinitely more powerful than any single local machine. However, making this a reality means Faithlife investing in powerful servers or cloud hosting platforms in addition to the development time for each app. They have already begun the work on their Logos web app, but they have really only just begun. That isn't because a web app can't be powerful.
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Hi
Nate Cress said:I'm sorry to have to disagree, but this argument that web apps can't handle all that Proclaim or Logos does isn't much of an argument. If we're talking about Proclaim's advanced features for live video and moving backgrounds, then you may have a point.
That's exactly what I meant.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
I use Chrome Remote desktop to use full logos capabilities, and full proclaim capabilities on my chromebook.
Mike Measley
Using Logos Desktop Software, Proclaim, Faithlife Groups, Faithlife Apps (Android), app.logos.com
Windows 10, Android 7, Chromebook (app.logos.com/Chrome Desktop Remote)
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I've used Team Viewer to remotely access another computer running Proclaim. Team Viewer has a Chrome App you have to install on the Chromebook to get things working. It is a bit slow and clunky, but it works. The problem is that your other machine has to be turned on and connected to the internet. I've even edited Photoshop files this way. However, a native experience for Proclaim on the Chromebook would be better.
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Nate Cress said:
The problem is that your other machine has to be turned on and connected to the internet. I've even edited Photoshop files this way. However, a native experience for Proclaim on the Chromebook would be better.
Absolutely!! Just sharing how I am working around the lack of the native solution for now. [:)]
Mike Measley
Using Logos Desktop Software, Proclaim, Faithlife Groups, Faithlife Apps (Android), app.logos.com
Windows 10, Android 7, Chromebook (app.logos.com/Chrome Desktop Remote)
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I just thought I'd bring this discussion back up again. Now with Chromebooks like the Pixelbook and other powerful machines that can run Android app as well as the potential for running Linux apps in addition to web apps, the argument that Chromebooks aren't powerful or capable enough no longer holds water.
My suggestion that would work well for Chromebooks and support a majority of potential users is to focus on the Android app. There is absolutely no reason why the Android app which currently can be used to follow or control the presentation couldn't also edit slides in the presentation. Editing the words on a slide should be easy to do from the Android app. Also creating a new slide shouldn't be unthinkable. To top that off, the Android app should also be able to launch a presentation on air via Chromecast at least as a beta. The functionality to do so is already there with the sign feed feature which can show the on-air presentation slide. Videos don't work on the sign feed yet, but the point is that it is possible to present the presentation as a web feed. We aren't asking for something that is technologically impossible. The request is that Faithful supports a new platform for Proclaim by investing where people are. Building out Proclaim on Windows and Mac first was important for Proclaim, but as an application that is built on the benefits of collaboration and the cloud, Proclaim should put more effort into making it's mobile apps more powerful both for iOS and Android (and ChromeOS as an Android system).
A previous discussion was made about a Linux version of Proclaim which was said to be unlikely because of market share and that a web app (ie Chrome!!!) was more likely. Linux is potentially another option depending on how well Linux apps work on ChromeOS and how well ChromeOS takes off now that the platform is becoming more powerful. However, I really think Faithlife would benefit most by investing in the existing mobile apps.
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Hey Nate,
Nate Cress said:There is absolutely no reason why the Android app which currently can be used to follow or control the presentation couldn't also edit slides in the presentation. Editing the words on a slide should be easy to do from the Android app.
We have similar plans to allow mobile devices to do this. We are working on giving the ability to use the web to apply and make quick changes. A good example would be the web version of Logos, but in this case it would be for Proclaim.
Not sure if it is going to give the ability to go on air, but basic edits are on the road map via the web.
Nate Cress said:The functionality to do so is already there with the sign feed feature which can show the on-air presentation slide. Videos don't work on the sign feed yet
Videos do work on the sign feed, but the support is sub par. You can refresh your page once you make a change to your feed. A change could be as simple as checking and unchecking the "Show some Bible Art"
We don't have any plans to support Linux at the moment, but we do plan on giving the ability to view Proclaim/edit via the web to allow members in the church to make a quick edit. I can double check with Jordan what the plan is for chrome books though.
I brought this up to Jordan S one of our top developers here at Faithlife. I'm sure he will add his feedback as well as he has more insights on what is being developed. He runs the development for mobile devices as well.0 -
Matt Mattox (Faithlife) said:
Videos do work on the sign feed, but the support is sub par. You can refresh your page once you make a change to your feed. A change could be as simple as checking and unchecking the "Show some Bible Art"
Videos that are added to the Sign Feed schedule in Proclaim and sync to the cloud work in the sign feed. (Side note: This doesn't work very well if you have Bible Trivia enabled). However, videos and moving backgrounds from a Proclaim presentation that is on-air and overtakes the sign feed don't seem to be working. My point above was that since a Chromecast is basically looking for web content to display when you "cast" content to it, it wouldn't be a huge stretch of the imagination to see support for Chromecast on-air presentations even if that means that moving backgrounds are still backgrounds and videos don't play.
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Just thought I'd check in on the progress on Proclaim for the Web. It would be so nice to be able to quickly add a slide or edit a slide from any internet connected device by simply logging into a web page.
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Hmmm
I'll just leave this here since some people seem to think that a web app can't handle this sort of thing...
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It's been about 9 months since our last interaction. Has any progress on a web app or simple web editing of Proclaim presentations been made?
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I would also love to be able to use Proclaim for sermons using my Chromebook. I started but gave up on Proclaim because it wasn't user friendly and my church wasn't able to see the benefit to switch from MediaShout. I would love to use Proclaim if it and Logos had full functionality in the cloud. Whether I am on my MacBook, Chromebook, or the church's PC, I should be able to seamlessly utilize my presentations and purchased library without a ton of different platforms. We should be able to develop, edit, present, research, et al, all in the Logos platform without switching to Proclaim, Faithlife, etc... If full functionality would be a possibility then I know I would be able to convince my churches to switch.
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Matt Mattox (Faithlife) said:
Hey Nate,
Nate Cress said:There is absolutely no reason why the Android app which currently can be used to follow or control the presentation couldn't also edit slides in the presentation. Editing the words on a slide should be easy to do from the Android app.
We have similar plans to allow mobile devices to do this. We are working on giving the ability to use the web to apply and make quick changes. A good example would be the web version of Logos, but in this case it would be for Proclaim.
Not sure if it is going to give the ability to go on air, but basic edits are on the road map via the web.
Matt,
What's the update on Proclaim for Web? This is a much needed feature.
Thanks,
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Yes I'm with Nate here. I'm at the stage where I'm literally having to by a Windows pc (instead of Chromebook) just so I can use Proclaim. Over the years our church must have paid over $1500 to use proclaim. Don't we deserve a bit better than this? At least some updates?
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Hi all,
First, I'm very sorry we missed your earlier posts.
Second, while a Proclaim web app is still something we want and plan to do, we unfortunately don't have anything new to report. We'll definitely let you know when we do!
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Thanks, Brandon!
I really enjoy using Proclaim and recommend it to other churches all the time, but this one thing (a basic editing web app) would really take the experience to a new level. Probably somewhere up high in the cloud I'm guessing... [ap][;)]
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Any update on this?
thanks
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I'd like to know if there is an update as well. HTML 5 web app have become very impressive. Look at the latest Pixlr Pro web app or Photopea which both give you near Photoshop level editing on the web! Recently, I started using Gravit Designer on my Chromebook, and my mind was blown away at how great a HTML 5 app can be for advanced designing online and offline. I could easily see the entire interface of Proclaim rebuilt for the web as an HTML 5 app. People have brought up limitations and to my understanding the only limitation comes down to presenting a slide with a motion background. Here's the thing though, I could care less if motion backgrounds aren't supported on the web app if there actually was a web app. I want a web app to be able to quickly update a presentation from any computer without downloading, installing, and syncing the software. My main presentation computer can handle the presentation side of things. And honestly, I would be OK with presenting from the web app when on the go and having all the motion backgrounds present as still backgrounds. [;)]
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Thanks for the continued feedback.
We don't have anything to report, but we'll definitely keep you updated.0 -
Any updates on this feature? Would be really helpful to use it on a web-based app for Chromebooks.
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Since in 2020 we were told we would "definitely" be kept up to date and since nothing has been announced, it is clear they are not going to do this. I could be wrong, but just using the details from the previous staff member's promise and the date 2 years later I can't conclude anything else. I am assuming then this is now dead and not going to happen. Please prove me wrong Faithlife.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
Hi ran into this forum because I'm stuck in a situation where I just have a Chromebook and wanted to be able to use Proclaim to provide a more robust digital experience rather than power point for services I'm covering. Is there an update on the web app or Google Playstore app that provides users the ability to create and edit presentations and possibly go live?
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you may be able to use Proclaim on a Chromebook through a virtual desktop solution, such as Amazon WorkSpaces or Citrix Workspace. These solutions allow you to run Windows applications on a remote desktop and access them from a Chromebook using a web browser or a dedicated app.
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