confusion about searching for suffixed pronouns in SESB Hebrew text

Michael Burer · September 2013

The following search returns no hits, when it should return bunches:

When I search for only pronouns (@R) I get thousands of hits, but when I restrict it to suffixes (@RS) I get none. Can someone help me understand what's going on and how to find suffixed pronouns?

Thanks in advance!

Dave Hooton · September 2013

This looks to be similar to this issue - note the comment at the end from Bradley.

Edwin Sully PAYET · September 2013

I am not sure what you mean:

Can a pronoun be suffixed? Can you give an concrete Hebrew example of what you mean?

Are you talking about interrogative or personal pronouns? if it is personal pronouns, are you talking about subject pronouns or object pronouns?

or may be you are talking about pronominal suffixes?

Bradley Grainger (Logos) · September 2013

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/526996#Comment_526996

Dave Hooton said:

This looks to be similar to this issue - note the comment at the end from Bradley.

I'm not sure yet that it is the same underlying issue.

Bradley Grainger (Logos) · September 2013

Michael Burer said:

When I search for only pronouns (@R) I get thousands of hits, but when I restrict it to suffixes (@RS) I get none.

As far as I can tell (just looking at the raw data, and not being a Hebrew expert), there are no instances of the @RS morph code in BHS SESB 2.0, therefore the search always returns 0 results. (Likewise, there are no instances of @RD, either. I don't know why these options appear in the morph picker if they're not used.)

Michael Burer · September 2013

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/527076#Comment_527076

I want to find certain instances of verbs that have pronominal suffixes attached. However, the only way to indicate that as far as I can tell is by choosing "Pronouns" and then "Suffixed." It seems like that would locate them, but it doesn't.

Bradley, is this an error in the database or something else? When I search for the same code in the ESV, for example, it finds scads of them.

Dave Hooton · September 2013

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/527117#Comment_527117

Michael Burer said:
I want to find certain instances of verbs that have pronominal suffixes attached.

The BHS/WHM 4.2 database seems to provide this in the way you are asking e.g. look at Verbs.

Dave Hooton · September 2013

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/527172#Comment_527172

Dave Hooton said:

Michael Burer said:
I want to find certain instances of verbs that have pronominal suffixes attached.

The BHS/WHM 4.2 database seems to provide this in the way you are asking e.g. look at Verbs.

BHS/WIVU allows you to search for verb with attached pronomial suffix using @V BEFORE 0 WORDS @RS. It won't be accurate in ESV because it often splits compound words.