Does this book exist?
What I'm looking for is a book that accompanies a Bible and shows for each text, the earliest extant manuscript (and maybe church father reference).
For example, under John 18:31-33, and 37-38, it would show P52, and a likely date. A lot of the NT I imagine would be Sinaitic, but I don't know that stuff all too well yet.
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I thought I recalled someone else asking a very similar question and a response was posted, within the past week or so, but I can't find it now. Maybe that person (or someone else who remembers the post) will chime in.
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Maybe this is it, but it only exist in digital format...BUT I'm not that advanced to say this is something I would use regularly, but you may be. This is the only thing that came to my mind as I read your post: Center for NT Textual Studies
DAL
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Matt Robertson said:
What I'm looking for is a book that accompanies a Bible and shows for each text, the earliest extant manuscript
That would be an interesting resource, but I've never seen anything like that. Wouldn't the apparatus for UBS4 most likely include the earliest in it's list? Of course you have to know the dates yourself to scan the list and know which one was the earliest, but that might be a place to start.
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You might also be interested in Halo Hound's New Testament Manuscript Project. As explained within the text of this document, after building it as a Personal Book in your library, you can then search within it for a verse in question, and then look at all the hits and find out which one is the earliest. Make sure you expand the "My Books" tab in search results, as that's where the hits will be, not in your Library Results.
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DAL said:
This is the only thing that came to my mind as I read your post: Center for NT Textual Studies
Intriguing pre-pub resource (added bookmark since cannot add to Wish List); found a few apparatus resources:
Keep Smiling [:)]
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In addition to the CNTTS apparatus suggested above you also might consider these two:Matt Robertson said:What I'm looking for is a book that accompanies a Bible and shows for each text, the earliest extant manuscript (and maybe church father reference).
For example, under John 18:31-33, and 37-38, it would show P52, and a likely date. A lot of the NT I imagine would be Sinaitic, but I don't know that stuff all too well yet.
Comfort, Philip Wesley, and David P. Barrett. The Text of the Earliest New Testament Greek Manuscripts. Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House, 2001.
found here
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Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture Updated Edition (ACCS Complete) General Editor, Thomas C. Oden
(don't believe Logos has this yet - unable to find on website)
other possibility: Early Church Fathers
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Anon said:
Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture Updated Edition (ACCS Complete) General Editor, Thomas C. Oden
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Rosie Perera said:
I thought I recalled someone else asking a very similar question and a response was posted, within the past week or so, but I can't find it now. Maybe that person (or someone else who remembers the post) will chime in.
Rosie:
Is this the thread you were thinking of?
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/78702/551067.aspx
I also found this one:
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Floyd Johnson said:
Is this the thread you were thinking of?
Yes, that's the one! Thanks. I was searching for intitle:manuscript site:community.logos.com, and various other combinations (including manuscripts anywhere in the text within the past week), but that thread didn't turn up. Bizarre, as it does have the word manuscripts in it. Even intitle:earliest site:community.logos.com doesn't find it. Google is letting me down!
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Ha! [:S] Wonder what I typed in for a search… whatever it was Logos doesn't have. [:P]Anon said:Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture Updated Edition (ACCS Complete) General Editor, Thomas C. Oden
Keep Smiling
thanks KS4J
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Matt Robertson said:
What I'm looking for is a book that accompanies a Bible and shows for each text, the earliest extant manuscript (and maybe church father reference).
For example, under John 18:31-33, and 37-38, it would show P52, and a likely date. A lot of the NT I imagine would be Sinaitic, but I don't know that stuff all too well yet.
I would suggest Tischendorf. While he gives the various readings for each passage, the date of the work precludes citation of the MSS in Comfort The Text of the Earliest Greek New Testament Manuscripts or of the Oxyrhynchus papyri which you would need to check separately. The Oxyrhynchus papyri can be found online at http://www.papyrology.ox.ac.uk/POxy/.
george
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Rosie Perera said:
Yes, that's the one! Thanks. I was searching for intitle:manuscript site:community.logos.com, and various other combinations (including manuscripts anywhere in the text within the past week), but that thread didn't turn up. Bizarre, as it does have the word manuscripts in it. Even intitle:earliest site:community.logos.com doesn't find it. Google is letting me down!
I had never heard of the "intitle" field as a search parameter for Google. I just typed "earliest manuscripts site:community.logos.com" into Google to get the two results I posted.
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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The apparatus at http://community.logos.com/forums/t/46696.aspx could be helpful in finding the earliest manuscripts as well. The online version at http://www.laparola.net/greco/ is better still, as you can choose to list the witness in chronological order, and hover the mouse over the witnesses to see their dates.
Richard Wilson
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