How often does Logos add book to the community pricing ? When one starts getting produced do they just replace it, keeping a certain amount ?
In the past it has kind of come in spurts. I think Logos has been a bit disappointed by the response to Community Pricing. Several years ago Logos was looking at ways of bringing more public domain works into Logos and they originally proposed dumbed down version of Logos for these works. This was not met with much support in the old newsgroup. People made it clear they wanted full versions, not dumbed down versions. So Logos came out this the idea of Community Pricing. In theory it should work great. If large numbers in the Logos community bid on works we would be getting public domain works in full Logos format for just a few dollars per work. No one quite knows why more people have not participated in Community Pricing. I hope as new users come into the community because of L4, Community Pricing will take off.
What is really odd is I think I can recall someone from Logos saying that on one occasion more people purchase a former Community Pricing Worked at the higher Pre-Pub price than those that purchased it at the low Community Pricing price. (Once a work leaves Community Pricing, it moves to the Pre-Pub page.) This really shows that people are seriously misunderstanding this program.
I've never been particularly interested in anything on Community Pricing; I wish more of the popular Pre-Pubs went there first, perhaps we'd get them cheaper... Zondervan collection on community pricing anyone? [:)]
Barnes Notes is a good example of how this programme is not working sadly. It has been languishing forever.
I think it boils down to people not understanding how community pricing really works. The pricing model is confusing. Sign up for $30 you might get it for $10???
I'd also say the graphs they use add to the confustion.
I've never been particularly interested in anything on Community Pricing; I wish more of the popular Pre-Pubs went there first, perhaps we'd get them cheaper... Zondervan collection on community pricing anyone?
Joe,
This is part of the misunderstanding. Community Pricing was never intended for newer, copyrighted books, but only public domain. Sure most public domain stuff can be found on the internet for free, but I enjoy reading it so much more in Logos and to have it intergrated in your Logos library is worth the it to me.
Community Pricing was never intended for newer, copyrighted books, but only public domain. Sure most public domain stuff can be found on the internet for free
Fair enough; I guess that explains my experience then...
I also wonder how many users even know about the community pricing page?
I haven't used the Community Pricing Page because:
1. There just hasn't been anything there that I have particularly felt the need to bid for and:
2. it doesn't seem particularly easy to use, or more importantly to understand. It would be helpful if there were some clearer examples about using it, and if good books could be advertised more prominently.
2. it doesn't seem particularly easy to use, or more importantly to understand.
1. Find something you want.
2. Click on the price you are willing to pay.
3. When the little dots go above the line, the book goes into production.
4. You will get an email saying letting you know when this happens.
Does that help? I am curious to know, which part do you find particularly hard and difficult to comprehend?
I think it boils down to people not understanding how community pricing really works. The pricing model is confusing. Sign up for $30 you might get it for $10??? I'd also say the graphs they use add to the confustion.
I also find the graphs are unnecessarily confusing. If $8 is closer to the line than $10, will I push it closer to the line by clicking on $8 than $10? I wondered that for a while. I'm assuming that what happens is that each price point up to and including my bid rises when I bid, so that if one more $8 bid was required, and I bid $10, my $10 bid would cover it and be counted as an $8 bid. It took me a while to figure that out, though.
It hasn't stopped me from bidding on a couple of things, though, including Bible Studies by Adolph Deissman, which has appeared to be on the verge of reaching 100% for a while now.
Sign up for $30 you might get it for $10???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
You may want to read on the section on Demand Curve Shifts.
Happy New Year!
I am also disappointed at the repsonse to CP. There are so many good public domain resources that this could be a major blessing. I got Anselm for 4 bucks, fully intergrated in L3, and now L4. The Aquinas stuff should be flying off the shelves. They could have Pascal, Paley, Raymond Lull, all kinds of Classical Christian stuff for cheap. I really hope this thing takes off in '10. Also, I think it is about time to add C.S. Lewis to Logos.
Sign up for $30 you might get it for $10???Not everyone has had coursework in basic economics, so I can see why you might be confused. Here is the Wikipedia article on Supply and Demand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand You may want to read on the section on Demand Curve Shifts. Happy New Year!
Thank you Joe! Your reply posts to those of us who are not as wise as you are always most edifing...
I think it is about time to add C.S. Lewis to Logos.
I agree... [Y]
Here are links to Logos blog explaining how the community pricing works
I think the single best way to get people more interested in the Community Pricing section is to significantly increase the titles listed. Because we talking mainly about public domain works (so no licensing issues) and (if I understand the process properly) no actual out of pocket expenses upfront except to have someone calculate how much they need to accumulate to pay for production and then add it to the page then why don't we have much more options to vote on? (essentially that is what we're doing)
Sign up for $30 you might get it for $10???Not everyone has had coursework in basic economics, so I can see why you might be confused. Here is the Wikipedia article on Supply and Demand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand You may want to read on the section on Demand Curve Shifts. Happy New Year! Thank you Joe! Your reply posts to those of us who are not as wise as you are always most edifing...
It has nothing to do with "wisdom", just background and in some cases culture. I hope I am misreading the sarcasm in your reply, but if not... once again, my apologies if my comment made you feel foolish or unwise.
Thanks Joe, for thanking me. Happy New year.
Ted
I think it is about time to add C.S. Lewis to Logos. I agree...
I agree...
Thanks Joe, for thanking me. Happy New year. Ted
Last year I bought St. Paul and Justification by Westcott on Community Pricing for $3.
You can buy it now for $34.95.
It seems that it pays to check on Community Pricing offers periodically. [:D]
I thought I remember seeing somewhere in the forum that C.S. Lewis' works are still not public domain. I hope I'm wrong, because I would also like to see them in Logos.
EDIT: Sorry Joe, I missed your post above that answered this.
I am a great example (unfortunately) of what you have blogged about here. I had no idea how community pricing worked nor did I really try to find out. I have picked up 2 works in the last 10 days extremely cheap, because of the article by Sarah Wilson from the marketing team on my Logos desktop. There has to be a way to let more people know about this amazing opportunity!
There has to be a way to let more people know about this amazing opportunity!
There is a lot of mention coming up here in the forums. We try to push a few resources over time. Like Barnes Notes or whatever......I have seen it on the desktop for L4. Slowly word is getting out. I would not know how more could be done without really getting into the face of some users.....and they may not want that. Even with 2 dollar books.
There is a lot of "advertising" in the General forum and this has been fairly successful in enthusing users about specific books. Please communicate your enthusiasm to readers of that forum.
