Shelf View for Library
This morning's blog post inspired me to suggest an idea that i've had for a while.
I think it would be really cool if there were a Shelf View for the Logos library
This view could allow books to be displayed on bookshelves with an accurate representation of their physical size in print.
Of course, the view should allow multiple sorting choices based on all the fields currently available in the Library Tool. Perhaps organization by Dewey and Library of Congress call numbers could be added for us old timers who have actually had to spend time doing research in library buildings.
I think an accurate visualization of what our electronic library would look like on physical shelves could be beneficial in at least four ways:
- Increased customer satisfaction as one is able to appreciate just how many books are available in their Logos library. While the list view is certainly helpful, it just doesn't have the same effect. Neither does knowing the number of resources. There is just something about seeing how much physical space your digital library would occupy.
- Increased spousal satisfaction in what one has purchased.
- Really good marketing tool for users to show others the benefits of owning electronic books.
- A different way to browse the library that might encourage new connections to resources that have been ignored (especially if call numbers were implemented as a sort option).
Of course, the first two points related to customer and spousal satisfaction naturally lead to increased sales.
Today's blog post really helped me understand how good of a deal I have gotten with my Logos investment.
What do you think?
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I think that something like the bookshelf view at Bestcommentaries.com might be pretty cool where if you click on a book it will be pulled off the shelf and you can look at the cover. Also a hearty yes to LoC numbers, my print library is organized that way, I'd love for my digital to be too.
Prov. 15:23
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Kevin Becker said:
bookshelf view at Bestcommentaries.com might
+me (whixh is less than one at the moment)
DP
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Russ Quinn said:
I think it would be really cool if there were a Shelf View for the Logos library
This view could allow books to be displayed on bookshelves with an accurate representation of their physical size in print.
Of course, the view should allow multiple sorting choices based on all the fields currently available in the Library Tool. Perhaps organization by Dewey and Library of Congress call numbers could be added for us old timers who have actually had to spend time doing research in library buildings.
What do you think?
There are too many things that need to be brought up to speed in L4 at the moment so that I'm not about to propose or second any suggestion with regard to the "fit and finish" of the program until those matters are resolved. Notes still needs to have the ability to link to references from within notes. The morphological search doesn't work as it should (Bring back the check boxes). Philo, Josephus, the Apostolic Fathers and the Iliad still do not have the option to hide all but the Greek text. These are fundamental matters. Until that is resolved, I don't care a whit whether the books are displayed on shelves as in a physical library or even how they are organized (I find them perfectly easily without LOC #s). Let's put first things first. Then we can sweat the details.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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come on, George, it's so easy, a c-----ahh, nevermind.
But as for the original post: I think about that kind of thing daily when I work with L4. That would be sweet and functional
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George Somsel said:
There are too many things that need to be brought up to speed in L4 at the moment so that I'm not about to propose or second any suggestion with regard to the "fit and finish" of the program until those matters are resolved. Notes still needs to have the ability to link to references from within notes. The morphological search doesn't work as it should (Bring back the check boxes). Philo, Josephus, the Apostolic Fathers and the Iliad still do not have the option to hide all but the Greek text. These are fundamental matters. Until that is resolved, I don't care a whit whether the books are displayed on shelves as in a physical library or even how they are organized (I find them perfectly easily without LOC #s). Let's put first things first. Then we can sweat the details.
The timing of my suggestion has more to do with today's blog post than any perceived priority of improvements.
I would certainly place priority on your list of improvements. I think you probably sense through my posts that we have a kindred spirit on a lot of these issues.
I was not recommending an immediate implementation of my suggestion at the expense of other basic features (word lists, vocabulary lists, even diagramming).
I'm just saying it would be a good project for say . . . Q3 of 2010 (that is if the existing schedule stays on track).
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Russ Quinn said:George Somsel said:
There are too many things that need to be brought up to speed in L4 at the moment so that I'm not about to propose or second any suggestion with regard to the "fit and finish" of the program until those matters are resolved. Notes still needs to have the ability to link to references from within notes. The morphological search doesn't work as it should (Bring back the check boxes). Philo, Josephus, the Apostolic Fathers and the Iliad still do not have the option to hide all but the Greek text. These are fundamental matters. Until that is resolved, I don't care a whit whether the books are displayed on shelves as in a physical library or even how they are organized (I find them perfectly easily without LOC #s). Let's put first things first. Then we can sweat the details.
The timing of my suggestion has more to do with today's blog post than any perceived priority of improvements.
I would certainly place priority on your list of improvements. I think you probably sense through my posts that we have a kindred spirit on a lot of these issues.
I was not recommending an immediate implementation of my suggestion at the expense of other basic features (word lists, vocabulary lists, even diagramming).
I'm just saying it would be a good project for say . . . Q3 of 2010 (that is if the existing schedule stays on track).
I'm pleased to hear that you consider other matters to be of greater importance. I was beginning to feel that the situation was like the kid to is looking at a car with his dad and simply gushing over one particular car. His father says, "the clutch is shot, the engine dies regularly and the U-joint in the drive train is broken", but the son replies, "That's OK, Dad. The seams line up properly and it has a great paint job. I'll just push it down the street."
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
I'm pleased
Well as long as your happy...[:P]
Please let me know when we can start agreeing with good suggestions (note the title of the thread is suggestions and not demands).
I realize that there are much more important matters at hand, such as the reverse linears that need to be fixed first...
DP
(who is now removing his tongue from his cheek)
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David A. Peterson said:George Somsel said:
I'm pleased
Well as long as your happy...
Please let me know when we can start agreeing with good suggestions (note the title of the thread is suggestions and not demands).
I realize that there are much more important matters at hand, such as the reverse linears that need to be fixed first...
DP
Yes, they need to be converted to monolinears.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
Yes, they need to be converted to monolinears.
Well, they have this already half fixed if you want to print them out to use them.
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Makes me think of this:
Although mine does look closer to this:
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Paul Golder said:
Although mine does look closer to this:
Hey ! No fair ! I didn't say you could come to my place, take a picture of my bookshelves then post it. [:)]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Paul Golder said:
Makes me think of this:
Just to stay in character - where's the Jewish book shelf? the Anglican/Lutheran bookshelves? the Catholic bookshelf? the Byzantine/Slavic bookshelves? the Syrian bookshelf? the Coptic bookshelf? the Buddhist bookshelf -oops I forgot - it's entirely empty [inside joke loosely nirvana = emptiness]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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On the other side - you have to go around the back.
Longtime Logos user (more than $30,000 in purchases) - now a second class user because I won't pay them more every month or year.
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Ooooh how I have wanted shelf view for a long time!
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Two off the wall ideas generated by a mind tired from writing and just a bit of a cold . . .
1. Logos should make the images created by a shelf view exportable so we can project them onto walls to simulate our libraries in real space.
2. Someone (Logos or a third party) should go into the book shell business. The convenience and power of having most of your library on your computer is truly an amazing thing but the psychological effect upon church members entering their pastor's library and seeing all of his books needs to be addressed! I wonder how many pastors would be in the market to buy optional cardboard shells of every book in their digital library so they can be appreciated by everyone (especially our older members who might wonder why this young pastor doesn't seem to like studying as much as their former pastors). [H]
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Russ Quinn said:
Two off the wall ideas generated by a mind tired from writing and just a bit of a cold . . .
1. Logos should make the images created by a shelf view exportable so we can project them onto walls to simulate our libraries in real space.
2. Someone (Logos or a third party) should go into the book shell business. The convenience and power of having most of your library on your computer is truly an amazing thing but the psychological effect upon church members entering their pastor's library and seeing all of his books needs to be addressed! I wonder how many pastors would be in the market to buy optional cardboard shells of every book in their digital library so they can be appreciated by everyone (especially our older members who might wonder why this young pastor doesn't seem to like studying as much as their former pastors).
I have a bookshelf of all the empty Logos and eBible boxes (slow internet connection, so I have been ordering the CDs and finding items at discount Christian bookstores).
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Yo'all know there is another Bible software which has that already. Plus my first home computer (a Packard Bell) had a complete house with rooms (including a library with softwares like books on the shelves, a stereo for music, and speakers for the volume, etc. But, I turned that view off after a month. It did look cool to so all my neighbors what my new computer could do.
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to take it to a local print shop and have it turned into "wallpaper" for your wall? [:)]Russ Quinn said:1. Logos should make the images created by a shelf view exportable so we can project them onto walls to simulate our libraries in real space.
Actually, That would be really cool from the marketing department....
Hey marketing guys, fill a bookshelf with all the paper books from each logos Library and take a high res photo, send it to a lithographer and have some posters made.
I'd buy one and I'd probably frame it.
Logos Scholars Gold: Your Library Visualized.
It wouldn't display all your extra purchases of course, but it would be a cool visual.
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I vote for visual tabs on the bibles that we pull down from our Shelf View Libraries...
[;)]
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Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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JRS said:
I vote for visual tabs on the bibles that we pull down from our Shelf View Libraries...
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Why not "vote" for a print edition. Then you can see the spine, view the tabs and feel the book in your hands (you might even be able to smell it).
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
Why not "vote" for a print edition. Then you can see the spine, view the tabs and feel the book in your hands (you might even be able to smell it).
Exactly. While I will admit that the eye candy would be fun, and that there are probably those who would find it of value (just like real world books, shelves, and Bible tabs), why would we want Logos to divert serious resources from developing and refining L4?
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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I think a shelf view that allows you to drag and drop books into collections would be brilliant! But just one small hiccup, with regard to ones own sermon collection. You get a default red book icon if you drag your personal sermon collection on to the taskbar, but if you hover over it still says "NO COVER" at least it does on my machine. That would have to be fixed wouldn't it?
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I could not agree more. This is desperately needed.
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A shelf view like apple's iBook for the iPad would definitely be a nice tough. Would be nice on the iPad version of Logos to be able to browse our libraries that way and read as we go.
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Russ Quinn said:
I think it would be really cool if there were a Shelf View for the Logos library
You mean something like this? Click on the image if you'd like to make your own.
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George Somsel said:
Why not "vote" for a print edition. Then you can see the spine, view the tabs and feel the book in your hands (you might even be able to smell it).
I vote for smell-O-rama whereby Logos produces a device (I think the technical term is 'widget') which imitates the smell of a real library... Logos could make this customisable and Logos users could share the 'smell' of their virtual libraries online.
Imagine the refrain echoing through the Logos forums, 'Smell my library...'
Then again, maybe not. I vote for George's more sensible observations re: priorities... [:D]
In all seriousness, though, a shelf view would be nice at some point down the line...
I should add that Mark Barnes solution is uber-cool...
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Definitely. I was just about to write a post about this.
When the library grows, it is tough to remember your go-to resources. A physical library is cool because you can arrange them visually.
Even if it's not the entire library, "shelving" your favorite books would be great.
Something like Shelfari.com would be incredible.
- Joel
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