From Logos: Do you have Bible photos/media you want to share?
This is an invitation to a beta / experiment.
Do you have photos (that you took / own) of the Holy Land, or related places or artifacts? Would you be open to sharing them with other Logos users -- either by licensing them to Logos in exchange for software credit, and/or through a form of Creative Commons or Public Domain licensing?
What about other images? Church media, custom presentation art, etc.?
- Join https://faithlife.com/logos-user-photos
- Then visit https://amber.logos.com/
There you can upload photos (and Word documents, PDF files, PowerPoints, etc.) and tag them with the Logos Controlled Vocabulary (Bible people, places, events, references, etc.) as well as any heading in Wikipedia.
Think of it as a cross between Flickr and Scribd with a lot of Bible-knowledge built in.
During this experimental phase you can upload and tag whatever you'd like -- but others can see and download it. There are no access controls in place, so don't upload anything private or secret or copyrighted by others.
The system will allow any user to add tags, descriptions, metadata, and even to mark favorites and assign star ratings. (And download the original file, or a smaller rendering of it.)
All changes to metadata are logged with the identify of the user who makes the change, and all downloads of original files are recorded.
You can set the Rights and Copyright statement for anything you upload, so if you want to make something public domain or Creative Commons, you can. But uploading doesn't automatically give up or assign any of your rights -- we're just experimenting.
Questions:
What do you think of the digital asset manager? Is it easy to use? Easy to learn?
Do you have media you'd license to Logos / share with other Logos users? What kinds? Under what conditions?
What media do you wish you had well-indexed access to for Bible study, sermon preparation, teaching, etc.?
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I really like this idea Bob and I have joined the Faithlife Group. Currently I'm on the road and unable to access my photos from the Holy Land but I'd be interested in doing this when I return in a few weeks. I look forward to seeing how this might develop.
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Bob Pritchett said:
Do you have media you'd license to Logos / share with other Logos users? What kinds? Under what conditions?
Yes. At the moment, only photos (of the Holy Land). In the future, maybe other stuff. I'm not sure about the conditions, except that I'd be much more likely to share them if I was going to get something out of it, in all honesty.
EDIT: I uploaded, as a test and almost at random, one of the pictures I took in the Holy Land. It was a very easy process, but I noticed a bug. Although post-upload I deleted the date it was taken (the metadata in the file is wrong anyway), it is still referenced when the picture is selected.
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Seems to work well.
I found a bug (I think): If you select multiple assets that you've uploaded that you want to tag with the same tag, then type that tag, the list of tags at the left does not get updated.
It will be interesting to see how unwieldy the list of tags at the left gets when there are hundreds or thousands of assets. Right now it's quite manageable as there are only a handful of assets. But tagging is going to be a free-for-all, and there'll be no consistency and it could be kind of a mess. Hard to find all of what you want and limit your search to only what you want.
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Rosie, I'm not sure what you're saying about the tags on the left.
The left side is a faceted browser; it shows the top tags in common of whatever matches the current search filter, and you can click there to add a tag to the search filter.
When you multi-select and add a tag to all your selected images the facet browser won't updated until the new metadata is committed (happens automatically, but with a slight delay as you type) and re-indexed (happens pretty quickly behind the scenes) and, I believe, the display is refreshed.
You can use any tag you want, and create a new one at any time. The auto-completion mechanism does offer Logos vocabulary and Freebase (Wikipedia) headings; this should hopefully reduce inconsistent tag proliferation, though it can never be eliminated.
To fight that we've made the search pretty powerful -- it even indexes text inside Word and PDF documents -- and made it super-easy to batch-edit tags. (And there are cool little helpers -- like clicking the upload time for one asset is a search for everything else uploaded around the same time, so if you can find one thing in a batch you can find the rest of the batch easily, even if it isn't tagged well.)
These short videos provide an overview of the digital asset manager (and demonstrate it working with thousands of images), and show how to upload and edit metadata:
Overview:
http://www.screencast.com/t/M0K6wz5E
Uploading:
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Bob Pritchett said:
Rosie, I'm not sure what you're saying about the tags on the left.
The left side is a faceted browser; it shows the top tags in common of whatever matches the current search filter...
Yes, I know that. Sorry about my inexact terminology. OK, so for "list of tags" in my post above, read "faceted browser." But it doesn't show merely tags in common for the current filter. It shows all the tags that apply to any one of the matching assets. I.e., it's an OR not an AND. (This isn't a problem; I'm merely mentioning it to clarify/correct what you said above.)
See, so far we've only got 7 images in our version of Amber, and yet already all the tags that anyone has applied to any of these images is showing up in the facet browser.
That's what I meant by speculating that the tag browser list is going to get unwieldy. A faceted tag browser like this is useful as long as there's a small collection of assets, or a controlled/limited set of applied tags (as in your asset database that was created by Logos employees, or as in the logos.com website where there's only a limited number of possible Topics, Resource Types, Pre-pub Statuses, etc.). It will be interesting to see how well people tag the assets they upload and how useful the tag browser is going to remain as the database grows.
Bob Pritchett said:When you multi-select and add a tag to all your selected images the facet browser won't updated until the new metadata is committed (happens automatically, but with a slight delay as you type) and re-indexed (happens pretty quickly behind the scenes) and, I believe, the display is refreshed.
After multi-selecting and adding a tag (which was committed), I waited at least 30 seconds and the fact browser didn't update/refresh. I even clicked "More>>" to expand the list of tags in the facet browser and then "Less>>" to collapse it. Still the new tag I'd added didn't show up in the facet browser. I even clicked around on different image thumbnails, which updated the metadata display panel on the right, but still didn't update the facet browser. The only way I could force the facet browser to update was to change the search filter somehow (e.g., by clicking on one of the tags in the facet browser), and then clicking Back in my browser to get back to the Everything filter with no tags/facets selected. Finally the new tag I'd added showed up in the list.
Bob Pritchett said:You can use any tag you want, and create a new one at any time. The auto-completion mechanism does offer Logos vocabulary and Freebase (Wikipedia) headings; this should hopefully reduce inconsistent tag proliferation, though it can never be eliminated.
Yup, I realize that, but I'm seeing stuff like this suggested:
How's a gal to know which "Sculpture" tag to apply? I can understand there being some redundancy between Logos's tag suggestions and those in Freebase, but within Logos itself (is this LCV?) there's the Thing called "sculpture, art" and the Object "Sculpture". What is the difference between a Thing and an Object and why are there both? This kind of inconsistency is very confusing.
And those long Timeline event names do NOT look appropriate for suggesting as tags.
Bob Pritchett said:These short videos provide an overview of the digital asset manager (and demonstrate it working with thousands of images)
Thanks, but when are we going to have access to all those thousands of images you all have uploaded?
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Thanks for the clarifications and bug reports, Rosie.
We will have duplicate Logos / Freebase tags, as you mention. I'm not sure why we're separating the two sculpture tags in Logos, but will look into it. (The Logos items should have the helper-previews, too.) There will be some overlap, though -- our controlled vocabulary sometimes has intentional duplicates of differing types -- there's "Peter" the specific person(s), and "Peter" the name, for example. (An article might be about the name itself, and not about a person with that name.)
The Timeline Event labels are a bit awkward, but when we start lighting this up within Logos those labels will allow us to attach, say, a fine art painting of a specific event to the event item in Logos.
Rosie Perera said:Thanks, but when are we going to have access to all those thousands of images you all have uploaded?
We aren't going to open up direct access to our internal image database -- it's full of the art and ads you see at Logos.com, Vyrso.com, etc. But we already expose art from it through services -- if you have seen our Verse of the Day images, you are seeing something served from this underlying database. (And the Bible Screen app on iOS and Android is about to get a lot cooler, using this back-end service... you'll be able to find variant layouts and sizes and set your phone's lockscreen, wallpaper, etc.)
And, as you might imagine, this will feed some new things in future updates to Proclaim, Logos, etc....
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Bob Pritchett said:
We aren't going to open up direct access to our internal image database -- it's full of the art and ads you see at Logos.com, Vyrso.com, etc. But we already expose art from it through services -- if you have seen our Verse of the Day images, you are seeing something served from this underlying database.
Don't need the art & ads from Logos.com, VOTD images, etc. But if you could help populate the Amber database with more good stuff that would be nice. Like the telephone network in the early days, it's not going to be useful to people until more people are using it, which is sort of a self-defeating principle. It's going to need more of a kickstart to get it going. How are Faithlife communities going, BTW? I was concerned there was the same issue with those.
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I just uploaded 43 selected pictures from our trip to Israel in 2012. I'll let you know how the tagging goes. I uploaded the full-sized files (4272 X 2828), so it's taking a while to upload. Consider the larger file size part of the experiment.
I wonder there would be a way to consider all photos as "common law" copyrighted unless otherwise specified?
EDIT: So it was a bit tedious to do this for 43 photos. One issue is that embedded captions became "Titles" and so I had to cut and paste all of them into "Descriptions." Selecting tags was also a bit hit and miss, and I probably could do better with more practice. Sometimes typing in something (e.g. "Solomon" didn't give the results I wanted, while typing "King Solomon" did get me to Solomon the man. I suspect some results may have been truncated. If so, perhaps reprioritizing likely choices might be in order.
I did put some Scripture passages in the captions (now "Descriptions"), but don't know if those will have any influence on finding the photos that go with the passages I suggested. In that vein, for parallel passages (Kings/Chronicles, the Synoptic Gospels, etc.), it would be nice to tag those parallels automatically somehow. If not, it would be some work to go through and do that for all Scripture citations. (Just kind of wondering as I write here.)
EDIT #2: In going through the photos again I realized I'd missed cutting and pasting some captions and tagging. Not sure it was my fault, or if the pictures were rearranged as they were re-titled. (It wasn't hard to find & fix the remaining.)
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Richard DeRuiter said:
I just uploaded 43 selected pictures from our trip to Israel in 2012.
Great selection, and good quality images. Thank you for being selective. I hope people don't just dump hundreds and hundreds of redundant mediocre travel photos up there.
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Rosie Perera said:
Great selection, and good quality images. Thank you for being selective.
Thanks! I picked those out of over 1,500 photos. I was smart enough to spend time putting captions in the image files to remind myself of what the pictures were about (took a couple of days).
Rosie Perera said:I hope people don't just dump hundreds and hundreds of redundant mediocre travel photos up there.
Agreed. Maybe this needs some sort of (user generated?) rating system.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Resurrecting this thread deliberately. There is an interesting Faithlife Group https://faithlife.com/visual-bible-commentary-corner/activity which has some interesting visuals. It would be very nice to be able to create an area where they could be placed and the members of the group could see the images within the Media Browser tool.
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Makes me think: it has been a while since we heard from Rosie!
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We last heard from her in late May .... I'm sure she'll pop up again.
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