The lack of parallel resources between the two editions of Ante-Nicene Fathers is especially odd as Augustine's Confessions show both as parallel resources. As for Christian Apologetics - it lacks even the icon to tell me there are no parallels?
I see exactly the same as you. As for Christian Apologetics (even if in a collection with the ANF works), I'm pretty sure why:
As for the ANF resources: when clicking into the field with the page number, it seems to me that Aristides' text is not tagged with any of the available indexes:
Thus, no parallel of ANF9 and ANF9CE here (they do show up in any text that has an index other than page) .
Ah yes, I forgot about Vyrso being a possibility for this sort of book.
But as for the other two, why would any of the church father resources not be tagged/indexed to match parallels? I've got another idea to test what's up.
Yes, I have two more copies of the text which know each other but don't know the first three.
I suspect that there is a problem when a text is embedded in another text e.g. this text is both The Apology of Aristides and the XXVII chapter of Barlaam and Ioasaph. Now if I can find another example to prove it when it is unrelated to what I'm trying to get done today.
The topic guide doesn't get it right either:
As for Christian Apologetics (even if in a collection with the ANF works), I'm pretty sure why:
Christian Apologetics has been in Logos for quite some time now. In fact, its collection was split up this very week (on my request). So if you have the Vyrso edition you should have the Logos edition as well. Not that I'm surprised if you don't....
EDIT: Btw, MJ, I believe you also have God's Many Splendored Image, Beginnings, and Athanasius in Vyrso. They too are in Logos now, so check that you've gotten them as well, while you're at it.
As for Christian Apologetics (even if in a collection with the ANF works), I'm pretty sure why: Christian Apologetics has been in Logos for quite some time now. In fact, its collection was split up this very week (on my request). So if you have the Vyrso edition you should have the Logos edition as well. Not that I'm surprised if you don't....
Ah,
it seems they forgot to pull https://vyrso.com/product/14380/christian-apologetics when they made https://www.logos.com/product/43220/christian-apologetics-past-and-present-a-primary-source-reader-volume-1-to-1500 available (actually, they likely forgot to pull it when they compiled the apologetics bundle - which is a good thing!). I expect Logos to take the Vyrso edition down as soon as they realize that - and not to give out a free Logos licence as long as the book is available at Vyrso for much less. So for those who want to save, there's a chance...
OT:Checking the forum for the thread we discussed this book propelled me back to 2011 when MJ wished to get the second volume in Vyrso (now available in Logos for $45 - thanks but I'll wait for a sale) and compiled the massive ECF reference list.
Thank you!!! You just saved me quite a bit of money.[:)]
But as for the other two, why would any of the church father resources not be tagged/indexed to match parallels?
I'll submit a case for this.
Is it safe to assume that "Barlaam and Iosaph" is in your "Church Fathers" collection? I created a collection with that resource in it and it showed up where you show it not appearing.
Judging from the screenshot, I would guess that MJ's Church Fathers collection is the automatic one that comes with Verbum, not one she's made herself. (I don't have Logos open, so I can't check if that particular book is included.)
I guessed the same, and running the guide with Verbum = Yes I see the same as MJ. (can't comment on whether Barlaam and Ioasaph should be included in that or not).
I would guess that MJ's Church Fathers collection is the automatic one that comes with Verbum, not one she's made herself.
Ahh. I'll try in the Verbum app then. Thanks for clarifying.
I'm looking into this further.
The results you are seeing are by design. The collections made by us are created by people rather than generated from resource metadata. Topic Guide is generally limited to reference books, and exclude Primary documents (of which "Barlaam and Iosaph is one) and treatises.
Let me translate: "If a book is part of an anthology it may appear; if it is a stand alone resource it won't." OR "The church father's collection is manually created and you don't get to know what is in it and what you need to check with your own search - which by the way will duplicate all the resources we used 'cause you don't know what they are to exclude them".
Do I have that correct?
I already submitted a case regarding the parallel resource issue between the Ante-Nicene resources, what I'm referring to now is only why Barlaam and Ioasaph are not showing up in Church Fathers collection in Topic Guide.
"The church father's collection is manually created
This is accurate. The list is hand made and changes over time.
and what you need to check with your own search - which by the way will duplicate all the resources we used 'cause you don't know what they are to exclude them".
I'm sorry but I'm not quite sure what you're getting saying here.
Tommy, I applied your answer to "Eucharist" and discovered that the behavior didn't match your answer. Are you sure that there was no confusion between the church fathers/ecclesiasial writers group in the Catholic Topical Index which is curated and the Church Fathers Collection Section of the Guide? Enter "Eucharist" and you will find source documents and treatises represented.
If I run a Topic Guide I will get only a subset of the Church Fathers. If I decide I need a fuller set and do a search, my results include both those in and those not in the Passage Guide. Why? because when I made my collection of church fathers I had no way of knowing what was or was not included in the Topic Guide set.
But as for the other two, why would any of the church father resources not be tagged/indexed to match parallels? I'll submit a case for this.
Parallel Resources are only available when the current location has a data type reference (and "page" references don't count). As noted in the OP, these resources do work for Augustine's Confessions (so it's not that the parallel resources feature just doesn't work here).
I don't know enough about The Apology of Aristides to know if there is a data type in Logos 5 for it. The ECF set was updated fairly recently (http://blog.logos.com/2012/02/logos-books-keep-getting-better/) so I suspect there may not be one. Unfortunately, if that is the case, you'll have to wait for the data type to be created, then for these resources to be updated to include it.
Thanks Bradley. That's a reasonable explanation.
Christian Apologetics has been in Logos for quite some time now. In fact, its collection was split up this very week (on my request). So if you have the Vyrso edition you should have the Logos edition as well. Not that I'm surprised if you don't.... EDIT: Btw, MJ, I believe you also have God's Many Splendored Image, Beginnings, and Athanasius in Vyrso. They too are in Logos now, so check that you've gotten them as well, while you're at it.
According to Jani Snell on another thread, all of these should now be unlocked in Logos for owners of the Vyrso edition.
Christian Apologetics has been in Logos for quite some time now. In fact, its collection was split up this very week (on my request). So if you have the Vyrso edition you should have the Logos edition as well. Not that I'm surprised if you don't.... EDIT: Btw, MJ, I believe you also have God's Many Splendored Image, Beginnings, and Athanasius in Vyrso. They too are in Logos now, so check that you've gotten them as well, while you're at it. According to Jani Snell on another thread, all of these should now be unlocked in Logos for owners of the Vyrso edition.
Yes they are and were part of a 300+ MB download (many sermon resources and some bibles updated, too. I'm thankful for Logos working on our existing library resources - but:).
Guess what: Christian Apologetics has only a page index. Which means, it is exactly as functional as the Vyrso edition. No parallel resources to the various editions of ECF cited there. Makes me really want to shell out near 50 bucks for the second volume... not.
