Would a Seventh-day Adventist test this for me please?
This is a test of how the Adult Bible Study Guide readings would appear as a lectionary. Why a lectionary?
- Reading Plan: can't set precise readings and not geared to hold historical (many years) of data but has the advantage of reminding one of past due readings
- Reading List - isn't controlled by dates and cannot be searched for content but has the advantage of complete control across any type of content and the ability to check off readings (and tasks) as they are completed and to modify the list "on the fly"
- Lectionary - controlled by dates, has some rendering bugs, system only allows one to be in use at a time, cannot indicate completion but appears on the home page and is automatically searched for the Liturgy section, easily holds historical data
This is the first week of the 4th Quarter of the Adult Bible Study Guide for 2014. Could someone verify that I have correctly identified what is expected of someone using this material? And does the format provide any added value to the resource?
Remember to compile the PB as a lectionary type.
5482.Seventh-Day Adventist Adult Bible Study Lectionary.docx
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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One more question. Is http://www.gobible.org/study/ a commonly used adjunct?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
One more question. Is http://www.gobible.org/study/ a commonly used adjunct?
First time seeing it. He seems either a Seventh-day Adventist or affiliated.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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First time ever paying any attention to a lectionary MJ, so I confess my ignorance. The study guide compiled ok.
Comparing it side by side with the Revised Common Lectionary the study guide can function as such. But looking at the text of the lesson, it is designed for discussion and reading of the commentary as well as the Biblical text.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Thanks for testing it. The actual lectionary has links to the Study Guide itself for the discussion and commentary. They get lost on the home page version, unfortunately.
If you prioritize it, what it gives you is a reminder at the top of the home page of the readings and lesson for the day - as well as a link to the resources i.e. if you click on it on the open page it opens to the correct day in the lectionary. Ideally it would also open the PB Lesson Guide and the top priority Bible but we aren't there yet.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
The actual lectionary has links to the Study Guide itself for the discussion and commentary. They get lost on the home page version, unfortunately.
Dit not see the hyperlink on the topic. Have not compiled the lesson as yet.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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MJ. Smith said:
Ideally it would also open the PB Lesson Guide and the top priority Bible but we aren't there yet.
Here is what I get when selecting a text from the lectionary on the home page.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Now if I could only get the Adult Bible Study Guide to open in the same panel as the lectionary you'd be set.
My concept roughly. To introduce Logos into a Seventh-Day Adventist Congregation you need:
- a very small entry level package including at least one Bible and a study Bible or one volume commentary
- Logos or church provided Adult Bible Study Guide and Lectionary
- Add a Faithlife discussion group / shared notes area
- Individual participant can begin participation knowing only (a) open Logos (b) click on lectionary (c) open community notes
- A Logos Reference Manual that opens within Logos and slowly adds skills throughout the first study a person does via Logos
Both in terms of cost and in terms of bringing the needed computer skills down to an appropriate level, I think this is doable. And, yes, I am working towards doing this in my own parish but I wanted to check the concepts out for different tradition and you (a) had a forum and (b) had a widely used Bible Study program.
Now if I can just convince your product manager ...
Okay, there are still a few stumbling blocks and improvements and so if I can get others to see the possibilities I see maybe I can get a few things changed - honestly, we are very close to having it work broadly.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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More information on SDA Quarterly studies.
From http://absg.adventist.org/scope.htmTopics of the lessons for a few years:
2013 qtr 2 Minor Prophets
2013 qtr 3 Revival and Reformation
2013 qtr 4 The Sanctuary
2014 qtr 1: Discipleship
2014 qtr 2 Christ and His Law
2014 qtr 3 Teachings of Jesus
2014 qtr 4 The Book of James
2015 qtr 1 Proverbs
2015 qtr 2 The Book of Luke
2015 qtr 3 Missionaries
2015 qtr 4 Jeremiah
2016 qtr 1 Great Controversy
2016 qtr 2 The Book of Matthew
2016 qtr 3 The Role of the Church in the Community
2016 qtr 4 JobA Lectionary often covers the main topics of the Bible in a three year cycle. And often guide the homily/sermon of the week/day.
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Thanks David
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
- a very small entry level package including at least one Bible and a study Bible or one volume commentary
Kjv (still a favourite with many) Andrews Study Bible or one volume commentary by the same publisher to be released next year in print and presumable in Logos.
MJ. Smith said:- Logos or church provided Adult Bible Study Guide
This is where is the Lesson Study comes in. It changes every quarter.
MJ. Smith said:A Logos Reference Manual that opens within Logos and slowly adds skills throughout the first study a person does via Logos
I would gladly design this.
Will show this thread to Martin. Would also need to get publisher of the Adult Lesson Guide on Board to publish in Logos. Should not be a problem, since they already publish the Pdf freely on the web.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Good idea to have the SS lesson quarterly in Logos. I'll try--but often there are licensing complexities compounded by church committees needing to approve everything (not here at Logos, where I am empowered to approve basically whatever I can manage to get licensed).
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Keep trying Martin. would love to have it.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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MJ. Smith said:
One more question. Is http://www.gobible.org/study/ a commonly used adjunct?
Yes, He is an SDA and not part of our fringe. He has published this for many years as a personal project.
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Martin Weber said:
Good idea to have the SS lesson quarterly in Logos.
One would need to factor in a decent time factor for this to work, time to pass the 'Gathering Interest' stage then time for production.At least post delivery time would not be a problem!
I don't know about the USA but in the UK both the regular and the teachers quarterly are now 6 monthly issues. Same content as the USA quarterly I believe but twice as big as the 3 monthly. Personally I would see this as the way to go IF you could get the masters early enough to meet the time factor issues.
Thinking about committees, I still appreciate the notice that went the rounds that said something to the effect of :-
Meetings - The Alternative to Work
Also the company that reputedly removed all chairs from its meetings rooms that really speeded up committee meetings.
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What I would envision in a case like this is a subscription to the Logos product with SDA getting the resource to Logos giving appropriate lead time.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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JohnB said:
Also the company that reputedly removed all chairs from its meetings rooms that really speeded up committee meetings.
Wonder what would happen if I tried this?
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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MJ. Smith said:
What I would envision in a case like this is a subscription to the Logos product with SDA getting the resource to Logos giving appropriate lead time.
The lessons are written very far in advance. This is necessary to accomidate printing and shipping. A monthly subscription would be the way to go. Some would want to continue getting the free pdf and online version, but five - ten dollars subscription should work fine.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden Williams said:
A monthly subscription would be the way to go.
Adult Sabbath School Bible Study Guide - yearly US subscription is $10.40 from the Adventist Book Center and is described as:
The Adult Sabbath School Bible Study Guide (Quarterly) links the entire world Church together in a global classroom. Written by a variety of authors, the Adult study guide encourages personal time with God and His Word. Memory texts and key thoughts from the authors provide an opportunity for spiritual growth.
A monthly subscription for a quarterly? ? ?
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David Ames said:
A monthly subscription for a quarterly? ? ?
I mean't quarterly. Thanks for the correction.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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MJ. Smith said:
Remember to compile the PB as a lectionary type.
MJ, have you seen the PBs available through the Adult Bible Study Guide Group? I have been very impressed with how they have been put together.
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Martin Weber said:
Good idea to have the SS lesson quarterly in Logos. I'll try--but often there are licensing complexities compounded by church committees needing to approve everything (not here at Logos, where I am empowered to approve basically whatever I can manage to get licensed).
Martin, I also would like to see the SDA SS Quarterly officially supported by Logos/Faithlife!
I personally really like the way that they have been set up on the Adult Bible Study Guide Group. I especially like the way that the text boxes are there for each time a blank line would appear in the print version.
Although I am very thankful that the Adult Bible Study Guide Group has been self-publishing the quarterly and making them available, I still see some advantages to Logos/Faithlife officially supporting the quarterly.
Some of the advantages would include:
- Being able to load it on mobile devices. Currently personal books are not synchronized or loaded at all on mobile devices. Although I am hopeful that this will change soon, since Logos 6 is a big step in that direction.
- Being able to do a shared reading plan. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming that a personal book can not have a shared reading plan because there's no way of Logos being able to guarantee that everyone on the reading plan has the exact same book.
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Timothy Taylor said:
- Being able to do a shared reading plan. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming that a personal book can not have a shared reading plan because there's no way of Logos being able to guarantee that everyone on the reading plan has the exact same book.
This is a guess ....
I think that technically every person technically has a different SS quarterly on Logos even if they are working from the identical .docx file as downloaded from the faithlife group.
If I am wrong please correct me!
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JohnB said:
This is a guess ....
I think that technically every person technically has a different SS quarterly on Logos even if they are working from the identical .docx file as downloaded from the faithlife group.
That's my guess too, JohnB. By the way, thanks for all your help doing what you do with the SS quarterly personal books!
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I'd love to have the SSQ directly in Logos. Presently it's difficult to license resources right now with the transition with the SDA publishing houses in the NAD. But I'm hopeful.
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go bible.org is operated by an Sda Lawyer.
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