New Feature: Books.Logos.com
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Jonathan J Watson said:
A 2-year subscription to Books.Logos.com comes with Feature Crossgrade and higher, and Gold level base packages and higher.
Looks to me like they have integrated a marketing scheme into the functional software.
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Thank you Mark, I can confirm that neither of those books have been uploaded yet. I'm working on a fix that will remove the button for any books not yet uploaded. I apologize for this issue and any confusion it has caused.Mark Barnes said:Steve Hurd said:Can you point me to the book you're trying to download?
Both now say "Sent to Logos Desktop".
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1. The first book I tried to download from the website didn't work. Second time I used the new Search Everything and selected the book from the results; it arrived after a few minutes in the same way as a resource update.
2. A Fit Width option is needed to make these resources easily readable in Logos 6.
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Doc B said:Jonathan J Watson said:
A 2-year subscription to Books.Logos.com comes with Feature Crossgrade and higher, and Gold level base packages and higher.
Looks to me like they have integrated a marketing scheme into the functional software.
Why do you say that?
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David Taylor Jr said:Doc B said:Jonathan J Watson said:
A 2-year subscription to Books.Logos.com comes with Feature Crossgrade and higher, and Gold level base packages and higher.
Looks to me like they have integrated a marketing scheme into the functional software.
Why do you say that?
A search engine to find needed data is nice. A search engine to data for sale on a retail site is a bit different (kinda smacks of the 'in-app purchase' scenario that Apple foisted). If Logos is going to help me find what I need, that's great. If they are going to return hits in resources I don't own so they can market those resources to me, I have a problem with that as a strategy (esp. if they've sold me a large base package but left out some key resources to sell separately...and yes, that's happened).
The latter is what this appears to me to be, on the surface w/o having tried it.
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Doc B said:
A search engine to find needed data is nice. A search engine to data for sale on a retail site is a bit different (kinda smacks of the 'in-app purchase' scenario that Apple foisted). If Logos is going to help me find what I need, that's great. If they are going to return hits in resources I don't own so they can market those resources to me, I have a problem with that as a strategy (esp. if they've sold me a large base package but left out some key resources to sell separately...and yes, that's happened).
You're misunderstanding the feature (and perhaps confusing it with the Bookstore section of the passage guide). Books.logos.com allows Logos 6 users to search and download — for free — public domain books that Logos has scanned and OCRd (but not yet made into proper resources).
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Mark Barnes said:
search and download — for free — public domain books
That would be nice. But there's a "subscription", and one Logos employee has already stated there will be a cost after the two years is up (no amount was quoted). That's where the rub is, and on that information I formed my opinion.
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Doc B said:Mark Barnes said:
search and download — for free — public domain books
That would be nice. But there's a "subscription", and one Logos employee has already stated there will be a cost after the two years is up (no amount was quoted). That's where the rub is, and on that information I formed my opinion.
I'll have a feeling one of a few things will happen:
1) They'll go away from the subscription model, as they seem to have done with the FSB
2) They'll offer a "free" subscription to base package owners of a certain level (like Portfolio+)
3) They'll come out with L7 quickly enough that you'll crossgrade somehow and the "subscription" will stay invisible to you
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That was my thinking as well, with 3 seeming to be the most likely in my mind.William Gabriel said:Doc B said:Mark Barnes said:search and download — for free — public domain books
That would be nice. But there's a "subscription", and one Logos employee has already stated there will be a cost after the two years is up (no amount was quoted). That's where the rub is, and on that information I formed my opinion.
I'll have a feeling one of a few things will happen:
1) They'll go away from the subscription model, as they seem to have done with the FSB
2) They'll offer a "free" subscription to base package owners of a certain level (like Portfolio+)
3) They'll come out with L7 quickly enough that you'll crossgrade somehow and the "subscription" will stay invisible to you
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Can you still search (just not read) the books after the subscription expires, or does this feature entirely turn off after the subscription expires?
Will there be student discounts for the feature or the possibility of allowing seminaries to provide this to their students? My seminary would seem like one who'd probably want to provide it to us.
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Todd White (Faithlife) said:David Taylor Jr said:
Right, but do they stay in your library even if your subscription expires? I have noticed these books seem to all be public domain which is a plus.
They will not continue to be in your library at the end of the subscription. I'm not sure the exact details on the subscription price post 2 years.
My fearless prediction? Cost of Logos 7 will have us covered.... [:D]
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BillS said:Todd White (Faithlife) said:David Taylor Jr said:
Right, but do they stay in your library even if your subscription expires? I have noticed these books seem to all be public domain which is a plus.
They will not continue to be in your library at the end of the subscription. I'm not sure the exact details on the subscription price post 2 years.
My fearless prediction? Cost of Logos 7 will have us covered....
I've been thinking about that. :-)
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Doc B said:
That would be nice. But there's a "subscription"
Which would you prefer? That the resources not be made available or that Logos go bankrupt by giving away resources that cost them to acquire. I doubt that the libraries provided free access and the ones doing the scanning were employees, not volunteers.
If you don't like it, don't use it.
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It's always amazing to me how often someone can read what I wrote but still not see what I said.
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Jack Caviness said:
Which would you prefer? That the resources not be made available or that Logos go bankrupt by giving away resources that cost them to acquire.
Even though you ignored my main point, you make it for me here again.
If it cost them money they need to recover, then make it a subscription, with a cost, up front. Don't stick it in a package for free, get everybody used to it, and then start charging for it down the road.
Jack Caviness said:If you don't like it, don't use it.
That's a bit asinine to say. The results are jammed in with all my legitimate hits. I can't "not use it". It's right there in my face whether I like it or not.
I'll try this one more time: If I want a search engine to resources I don't have, I'll use Google. If I put a search term in Logos, I expect it to find things in MY library, not market to me.
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Doc B said:
That's a bit asinine to say. The results are jammed in with all my legitimate hits. I can't "not use it". It's right there in my face whether I like it or not.
I'll try this one more time: If I want a search engine to resources I don't have, I'll use Google. If I put a search term in Logos, I expect it to find things in MY library, not market to me.
Calm down. You do not need to expand the section so your taking offense is over a heading line. Google gives me back many results that I can not access because they are paid subscription or limited to those affiliated with a university. Here, at least I have immediate access to the resources offered.
There is much in an everything search that I have no need for ... especially in the media area. I doubt that I will use it much except when starting a truly new subject to research. In general I have my library organized in a manner to allow me to target the specific material I want not cast a wide net. People have had access to books.logos.com by subscription for years. What is new is the integration into Logos/Verbum and the free "trial period" -- a common business practice for access to materials like this. You need to know what you'll get before deciding if its worth the cost.
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Doc B said:
A little testy aren't we? Those who have a compulsion to criticize will always find something about which they can complain. As MJ noted, you don't have to expand the heading.
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