After upgrading to Logos 6, where pronunciation icons used to play a translation, now the icon is dead and no pronunciation.
Any ideas
I'm assuming you mean, as in a Bible word study?
If I click that speaker, I can hear it.
Or are you talking about somewhere else?
yes
Has your system finished indexing? If so, can you provide some more details: what platform? What language? (depending on your resources, it might be English, Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic)
A screen shot of what doesn't work would be especially helpful.
Further debugging: if you type "Show Pronunciation" in the command bar, you should see a panel on the right with a drop-down. Does the drop-down contain Greek choices?
If you open the About Logos Bible Software link (top right corner, letter "i" in a circle), do you see the Greek datasets?
The icon being missing on Mac is a known issue; it will be fixed in a future release.
Thankyou for the response - The icon is NOT missing - It does not work if that distinction is important
I am running OS X 10.10 Yosemite
It worked fine before the upgrade to Logos 6
Can you address the other questions from https://community.logos.com/forums/p/93100/646158.aspx#646158?
Can you please enable logging and post your logs after clicking on the speaker icon to play the pronunciation?
Thank you,
Martin
I determined what the problem was in my particular case.
For some reason the sound settings in Yosemite were routing the sound out to a non-exsistant driver.
I reset my settings at the OS X level and the problem has been corrected.
In my case, I have Windows 7, Hebrew Audio no longer appears as one of the options as far as I can tell. My pronunciation tab appears empty. I believe that I am done indexing. I think. In my case, it is not that I do not hear, but rather that I do not see the little speaker icon anywhere I used to find it before. Any guidance would be welcome. Thanks to all for this forum and help.
Hebrew Audio no longer appears as one of the options as far as I can tell. My pronunciation tab appears empty.
There is no pronunciation 'tab' for Hebrew in L5/L6; only Greek (in Tools >> Pronunciation). What option do you refer to for Hebrew Audio?
. In my case, it is not that I do not hear, but rather that I do not see the little speaker icon anywhere I used to find it before.
The "little speaker icon" to which you could be alluding is the one that appears in certain resources and hovering reveals who is speaking in the text. This is activated in the Visual filters menu under "Speaker labels".
Thanks Dave. I am actually speaking about Buth's Hebrew and Aramaic audio pronunciation. When right clicking on a word in Logos 5, one of the options was a little speaker by the word, so one could listen to that word. I have made some progress in Logos 6. After a large update on Saturday, the list of both Hebrew and Aramaic words appears on one of my screens under a speaker with two )) symbols. But it does not appear under the word when I would right click. Am I giving sufficient information?
By the way, the post by TCBlack, second post above, shows the speaker by the Greek word. I used to see that sort of thing by the Hebrew word, for the lemma, but no longer, now that I updated to Logos 6.
After upgrading to Logos 6, I no longer even see the icon. Further, I tried typing "show pronunciation" in the command window, but I don't get the options shown below. : (
Gregorio (and Joey)
It seems the issue hasn't been addressed for Windows. Can you confirm you have the DB:Hebrew-Pronunciations-Buth dataset as shown in Sean's post above?
Thanks for asking! Yes, Dave. I have the same problem that Joey has. I shared a print screen, however, that I am able to open a pane with the list of Bush vocabulary. For my purposes this has been great. However, these files, which used to work as part of the lookup of any word in Logos 5 do not work anymore. Thank you Joey for supporting me in this issue!
By the way, even though Bush's accent is not native sounding, it is much, much better than most who are not native. Thank-you Bush. I am a native of Chile, and so you can take my comments with two grains of salt! But generally, Spanish and Israeli vowels are pronounced very similarly--as opposed to English ones, for instance. I had thought of writing a positive review and am happy with the purchase and will be even happier when it is fully integrated with Logos 6.
(Another by-the-way digression, it would be excellent if Logos used native speakers and connected the Biblia Hebraica with one of two or three excellent readings that are available. Check out one of these, as an example, in the app, Hebrew Bible. If anyone is interested, let me know, and I will give you the information on the second one I own. I love them both. And yes, you can really tell the difference between native Israeli speakers and others who are grating.)
Bradley,
Thank you for this message. I am a Mac user. Before upgrading to Logos 6, the pronunciation icon would appear next to the Greek words in the exegetical guide as well as in the "Information" panel. Now the icon is no longer there in either location. Glad to hear that it is being resolved!
Hello. I just wanted to report that the problem has not been fixed, yet. Buth's pronunciation was part of Logos 5 but has vanished with Logos 6. Except for the complete list of Buth's words, and that does open up nicely. So the problem persists (for over half a year).
I'm running 6.2 SR-1 on Mac, and i have a speaker icon in the Lemma section for a Bible Word Study: when I click on it, i hear the pronunciation. Are you seeing something different, or is your issue different?
Sean, thanks, I will check again. But it used to be that as I did a right click on Hebrew words, that the speaker icon would appear. This is no longer the case. Thanks, Gregorio
By the way, even though Bush's accent is not native sounding, it is much, much better than most who are not native. Thank-you Bush. I am a native of Chile, and so you can take my comments with two grains of salt! But generally, Spanish and Israeli vowels are pronounced very similarly--as opposed to English ones, for instance. I had thought of writing a positive review and am happy with the purchase and will be even happier when it is fully integrated with Logos 6. (Another by-the-way digression, it would be excellent if Logos used native speakers and connected the Biblia Hebraica with one of two or three excellent readings that are available. Check out one of these, as an example, in the app, Hebrew Bible. If anyone is interested, let me know, and I will give you the information on the second one I own. I love them both. And yes, you can really tell the difference between native Israeli speakers and others who are grating.)
First of all, let me speak up in defense of Randal Buth since I'm almost certain that he himself won't. You apparently don't understand the situation with Hebrew...1) there are NO native BIBLICAL Hebrew speakers alive, 2) MODERN "Israeli" Hebrew comes in 3 distinct accents. Buth is a neighbor to me here in Israel, so I presumably know him better than even the Logos administration. He, like many other speakers of modern Hebrew who are also Biblical Hebrew Scholars, "switches" his pronunciation when speaking Biblical Hebrew.
I am a linguist who has taught Articulatory Phonetics, and I agree that there is HUGE difference between Mother Tongue speakers and Second Language speakers! And I agree that foreign speakers (especially from the US (I'm also American)) almost always HURT my ears! [:'(]
That being said, Buth does an AWESOME job reproducing Biblical Hebrew. I'm sure the fact that he speaks Arabic fluently helps him greatly!
Now, concerning the software issue...[;)], I can verify that the pronunciation is available with the right click menu. I assume you're trying it with the Lemma selected on the right?
There it is! Thanks to Sean Boisen and Mr. Simple, but a big thank-you to Reuben Helmuth, I finally got it! I now see that there are a number of ways to get to the speaker button. I have found two so far, and would love to hear of others. One seems to be accessible through clicking on "Bible Word Study," but that destroyed my work space. Your explanation to first click on the lemma is precisely what I needed. It would have never occurred to me. So, Logos, I see my problem was solved (perhaps it was never even broken). Originally, all I had to do was right click on a word, but clicking on the lemma is a much more elegant way of dealing with this issue. Thanks to all.
Thanks for the mild reproof, Reuben (although I think we both ended up saying essentially the same thing). In terms of accents, by the way, my English accent is still terrible despite the fact that I worked for the University of California for over three decades, and lived in the USA for over four before returning home to Chile with my wife!
Very nice photo of you and your beautiful family, by the way. I would be very interested in pursuing more information about the development of Biblical Hebrew as we know it today with either your help or that of Dr. Randall Bush (I took the opportunity to look up more information on his work on the Web). Is there also a book or an article or something I could read on how Modern Hebrew was 'resurrected.'
Although we all know that today's Hebrew pronunciation (even Biblical, not to mention modern Hebrew) is not the same as the original, and that some letters have lost the guttural sounds, and that there are other pronunciation changes as well, I have for a long time been fascinated by this topic. How can a language be revived unless there is something in the way of oral tradition that has been handed down by the Rabbis? The Masoretic points are not enough, I don't think, unless there is some oral tradition to go along with them.
I realize this is not the place for that conversation, on the pronunciation of Hebrew, so I am providing my e-mail address (bielikov2 at yahoo.cl) in the hopes you will write and perhaps answer a number of other related questions. Very best wishes, Gregorio
