$322.69 for a crossgrade? for bronze?!!??? That's insane...
Logos cannot be serious.
None of my other software costs this much to upgrade. None of it. -- And that's just a crossgrade.
Just sayin...
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Compare what you are getting as well as the cost .... I'm just saying
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Derek said:
And that's just a crossgrade.
Tell us exactly what you are looking at for that price.
If you purchase the new Bronze package it will cost more than just buying the new datasets which come in the Crossgrade packages. The reason for this is that you will also be getting new resources.
Again, we'd like to know exactly what you are looking at that generates this price.
(For all the info on your options, be sure to see Phil's post here.)
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Derek:
Maybe what you're looking for is a sidegrade, which will get you the new interface, without having to wait until Feb, and perhaps a few of the new datasets.If you're at L5 Bronze, you could sidegrade to L6 Starter, or one of the Theology Starters, for perhaps less than $50 (guessing, based on the sidegrade I did this morning).
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Derek, that does sound crazy if you already own L5 Bronze and are just trying to get the L6 Core Crossgrade. There might be a bug in the dynamic pricing calculation for crossgrades. For example, I just checked what the Core Crossgrade would cost me. Now, the Core Crossgrade's full price (for people who don't own any base package yet at all) is $399.95. That's because it is essentially a minimal base package and contains lots of datasets, media, and such. (It's marketed on the "base packages" page of the website.) I own Portfolio plus a couple of the denominational Gold base packages, and the price for me to buy Core Crossgrade was shown as $124.80:
But if I scrolled down to the section which shows what's in it and what of it I own already, and what it would all cost if I buy it individually, I see that the total is actually only $19.95!
So I would definitely not click the Add to Cart button on this one! I would call Sales and ask what the deal is, and hopefully be able to purchase this over the phone for only $19.95.
Check to be sure something like this isn't at play in your situation. And I'm going to report this as a bug in the website.
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Derek said:
Logos cannot be serious.
None of my other software costs this much to upgrade. None of it. -- And that's just a crossgrade.
Just sayin...
Derek, I looked up your account and ran some numbers, and I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Can you confirm that you're signed in with the correct account and send me a screenshot (phil@faithlife.com) of what you're seeing?
Thanks!
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I'm not sure where I went... I'll try it again. It correctly told me how many resources i had, and it correctly told me what package I was looking for.
My brother did it to his on his computer and it gave him an insane price too... We were both dumbfounded. He alerted me to the price and I said. "That came be true..."
I'll report back after trying again.
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Phil, my upgrade from Platinum L5 to Platinum L6 is $730...according to the website. Crossgrade options range from $140 to $260.
Is this right? I'm happy to chat with my sales guy but I was surprised that to move across to the same package costs so much.
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Well, I guess extended cross grade is 322, and feature cross grade is 208...
But, to get the entire bronze package update costs a lot less!!!!!!
So if I just cross grade features I pay much more than updating my core package????
This is a mess.
I think I'm done with logos. No offense. I'm just done. I thought I was done after the last update fiasco. But I was convinced to stay... Amazon Kindle doesn't squeeze me for dollars every time they do something. I don't even use my computer that much any more... All I use is my tablet.
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Twice as much for an extended cross grade as for upgrading....
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I share your concerns. It's easy for any complaint about Logos' pricing model to sound like sour grapes but it does seem as if Logos is pricing themselves into the range of an expensive/elitist toy rather than an accessible tool for ministry. My recommended upgrade (platinum) weighs in at just under $1000 and the cross grades range from $125 to $240. As the pastor of a small church plant I simply can't justify that expense And I suspect there are many in the same boat. Over time I've found that many of the features Logos touts simply aren't useful in my ministry context So I'm more and more disinclined to pay the price delta for Logos resources when other electronic publishers are significantly less expensive.
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As the pastor of a small church plant I simply can't justify that expense And I suspect there are many in the same boat. Over time I've found that many of the features Logos touts simply aren't useful in my ministry context So I'm more and more disinclined to pay the price delta for Logos resources when other electronic publishers are significantly less expensive.
Everyone has the same functionality they had before Logos 6 came out and will continue to. Since the new features don't interest you, wait until the free Logos 6 engine comes out in February and upgrade to that for free.
Logos is asking all of us to pay for data that drives the new functionality. That is not unfair. But if you don't want it, you don't have to take it. I don 't understand the need to bash Logos because they don't give their new data sets away free.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Since when is saying "something is too expensive" bashing?
I just don't think Logos gets this part of their demographic. For me, I'm a missionary. I have to raise all my support. And, like you, I don't have the luxury of big church budgets. When I was a consultant, I could afford all this. That's when I bought my first logos package. I couldn't afford it today. Yes its a decision, a personal decision... And I'd still choose not to.
For my budget, I'm choosing between urgent ministry issues in developing countries and a software upgrade. If its one or the other, whether a call phone (2 years old and 4 years old), a computer (mine are 5 and 8 years old) or software package, I'm choosing ministry. That's why I'm still running office 2010 (which I got at a huge nonprofit discount @$60), Photoshop elements 4 (from 2005! $80), an old version of Sony Vegas studio which i got at a huge discount @ $40...
Logos is multiple times more expensive than any other software I own. That's why most people in my profession use YouVersion and not Logos. I could count the number of people in our org that use Logos on one hand. I guess from your post, pastors of small churches (isn't that a majority in the US?) are feeling the same squeeze....
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And, the pricing doesn't make sense, cross grade is twice as much as upgrading my bronze.... Twice! 322 vs 160.
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Crossgrade contains datasets that are not in bronze. The Gold package contains all of the datasets, as does the Feature Crossgrade. Since bronze does not contain all the datasets it's not really an apples to apples comparison unfortunately.
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The language is really confusing. I'd expect a crossgrade to upgrade all the stuff I own across to the new platform.
Look at the post above: Crossgrade price $120, but to purchase individually, $19...
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Derek, I understand your frustration, but calling someone a fanboy who is simply pointing out details you may not be aware of and laying out some options is really unhelpful.
Frankly, I am always caught in a conundrum when a major Logos upgrade comes out. It often seems the new software abilities are overkill for many of us. And since you primarily use a tablet, I suspect their functionality is even less important. Mark's suggestion to wait till February and get the L6 engine for free may be the best thing for you. You will not have lost anything that you now have and may gain a little efficiency to boot.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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I edited my post. You are correct. That was impolite. I apologize.
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I am still not a fan of the default being "Pay Monthly" payment rather than "Pay In Full" amount. I thought a thread went through this once before and it was changed.
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Agreed. At one point it was "Pay Monthly" for all the individual product pages, I think, which they fixed. But now it's showing up again for all the new packages... just a sales strategy, I suspect.
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Rosie, I'm seeing this, too. You beta tested, right? I'm also wondering what the deal is, and not having any luck in hearing back from anyone from Logos thus far.
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Your memory is good SHotchkiss.
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Oops--Rosie, my last post was supposed to quote you. I was referring to the crossgrade price discrepancy between $20 (buy individually) and $124ish for the whole thing.
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Abram,Abram K-J said:Oops--Rosie, my last post was supposed to quote you. I was referring to the crossgrade price discrepancy between $20 (buy individually) and $124ish for the whole thing.
Phil confirmed earlier that we as beta testers are seeing an artifact of our temporary beta licenses. They expire, I believe, at the end of Nov.
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Derek said:
Logos is multiple times more expensive than any other software I own. That's why most people in my profession use YouVersion and not Logos. I could count the number of people in our org that use Logos on one hand. I guess from your post, pastors of small churches (isn't that a majority in the US?) are feeling the same squeeze....
Derek, you get Logos' engine upgrades free for life. Don't confuse a crossgrade (with all the nice new goodies) with a new, enhanced engine. That new, enhanced engine is given to you free. It will be 64-bit and function faster than the one you have now. It will have some new features you don't have now. It will be free.
I am not unsympathetic to having little money to spend on books or resources. I've been there and was there for many, many years. But in the days of print books I didn't expect publishers to give me their new books simply because I couldn't afford them. Something about today's Internet makes us all feel that every piece of news, data, etc. should be free. I'd submit our expectations have changed but not the realities of producing news, data, etc.
It isn't saying something is too expensive that is bashing (and I wasn't responding directly to you as you can see), but it is how we say it, like 'that's insane...' Generally that phrase isn't used as a compliment, although it can be. So forgive me if I misunderstood the tone of your original post or that of the other person, but yes, it does 'sound' like bashing.
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Bridgeport, CT USA
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Yes. Yes it is. I'm not sure what I WOULD have used, but I have read all the definitions and still have to stare at it and try to remember.Derek said:The language is really confusing.
Peace.
Not to be too critical of Logos but this was a major issue (confusing language) with the roll out of L4 and L5 and seems in some respect perpetuated now in the roll out of L6. There are people trying to make things clearer and I believe headway is being made. The problem is this is the same kind of "clean up the mess after the fact" behavior that irritated so many with the prior releases and it makes people tend to vent their frustration.
Granted there is a lot to communicate. But can you say Einstellung?
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A nice crossgrade option for those who are not interested in some of the new features, would be a "Resource Crossgrade" where you could just purchase the new resources and not all the bells and whistles it seems some do not value at their price point.
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Hmm... that seems odd that something given to a beta tester would be pulled back like that. Do you have a link to that thread? I tried to post about this in the beta forums, but they seem to be closed.
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Do those that complain about the cost of Logos realize how many tens
of millions of dollars it cots to write the computer code to creat
the Logos platform?
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Abram K-J said:
Hmm... that seems odd that something given to a beta tester would be pulled back like that. Do you have a link to that thread? I tried to post about this in the beta forums, but they seem to be closed.
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Here you go: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/93154/646603.aspx#646603
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Perhaps not. Most people have no idea what it takes for their pastor to create sermons and lessons, do effective counselling, etc.David Kirk Davis said:Do those that complain about the cost of Logos realize how many tens
of millions of dollars it cots to write the computer code to creat
the Logos platform?
We only work one hour a week on Sunday after all.
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Mark Smith,
Good points. I assumed that there would be a minimal price to continue using the software, and that my version 5 would eventually stop working as platform 6,7,8... is released.
I understand it costs coders money to produce this stuff. But for some of us in certain situations, there is a bit of sticker shock.
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Derek said:
Good points. I assumed that there would be a minimal price to continue using the software, and that my version 5 would eventually stop working as platform 6,7,8... is released.
You assumed correctly. The minimal price to continue using the software is $0.00, your version 5 will continue to function and be supported for a while and in a couple months you'll be able to get version 6 for free, just with no added content (datasets, books, media, etc). Currently, the free version 6 engine is only available bundled with not free new content. In Feb of next year, the engine will be available separately as a free download.
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Derek said:
I assumed that there would be a minimal price to continue using the software, and that my version 5 would eventually stop working as platform 6,7,8... is released.
The good news is that it is free.In February the Logos 6 engine will be available as a free upgrade.
I've had Logos for awhile. I've gone from Logos 1.6 to Logos 2 to Series X to Libronix to Logos 4 to Logos 5 and now to Logos 6 and the engine itself is vastly improved and I've received a lot of new ways to work with my resources. Yes, I purchased all the new datasets along the way, but even if I hadn't, Logos 6 is way beyond Logos 2 or Libronix in so many ways, and I could have paid nothing to have that. I see that as generous. The only way Logos can do this (and continue to provide free Technical Support) is by selling resources. We don't have to buy, but if we can and do, some of that helps pay the cost of developing the engine.
So come February you can have the free new engine and the enhancements it will give to your study.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Mark Smith said:Derek said:
I assumed that there would be a minimal price to continue using the software, and that my version 5 would eventually stop working as platform 6,7,8... is released.
The good news is that it is free.In February the Logos 6 engine will be available as a free upgrade.
I've had Logos for awhile. I've gone from Logos 1.6 to Logos 2 to Series X to Libronix to Logos 4 to Logos 5 and now to Logos 6 and the engine itself is vastly improved and I've received a lot of new ways to work with my resources. Yes, I purchased all the new datasets along the way, but even if I hadn't, Logos 6 is way beyond Logos 2 or Libronix in so many ways, and I could have paid nothing to have that. I see that as generous. The only way Logos can do this (and continue to provide free Technical Support) is by selling resources. We don't have to buy, but if we can and do, some of that helps pay the cost of developing the engine.
So come February you can have the free new engine and the enhancements it will give to your study.
In addition to what Mark has said, I would also repeat what others have said--find a Logos sales associate and establish a relationship through him or her. You can do that via email. There are times that they can give a discount that you may not see online.
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