You have to pay for KJV?
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I actually deleted the Logos app and am now using another. It comes with KJV with no strings attached or license to buy. They also gave me the KJV with Strong's and the NKJV with Strong's and several other modules because I was having trouble with the app. I have been happy with this other app and really feel like I was a priority to them when they reached out to me on how they could help. I didn't get that with Logos. What I got was email after email asking me to buy their prepackaged packages containing modules I'll never use or want. I had to respond several times to ask them to stop emailing me about buying their packages. They also didn't want to help me concerning my issues with the modules I did purchase or was thinking about purchasing so I left Logos. That said, I do like Logos' format and app, I just don't like how they conduct their business side of things. I wish they had a make your own package instead of coming out with packages with what they feel you should have. I also wish they would remove the apocryphal notes and verses from the standard KJV module because I didn't want to pay for the module with apocrypha and feel like it is forced on me whether I want it or not. There are a few other concerns why I left but after deciding to leave to continue with the other app, I've been blessed and content using it for my study and reading.
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If you had requested information on how to turn off the emails, I would have gladly told you how to do so. Your experience regarding Logos' helpfulness is not typical, although I am uncertain as to what you would describe as "issues with the modules". Modules is not Logos terminology where problems are described as occurring in a resource or in the software. But given your problems, I am glad you have found something that better fits your needs. Given what you have indicated in your posts, I suspect that is a good decision. Good luck.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Daniel said:
I just don't like how they conduct their business side of things.
Totally agree. This company has lost its way and become too interested in chasing sales. Everything else has become secondary.
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you are continuing a very weak argument. We have already established KJV is PD and is free in some other software programs
MJ. Smith said:Yes, but Faithlife owns all the rights to their Bible while Queen Elizabeth owns the rights to the KJV IIRC,
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I was merely making an observation/assertion. For a variety of reasons based upon the content of posts by the OP, I chose not to present an argument ... had I presented an argument, this is not the tack I would take.
"Copyright status
The Authorized Version is in the public domain in most of the world. However, in the United Kingdom, the right to print, publish and distribute it is a Royal prerogative and the Crown licenses publishers to reproduce it under letters patent. In England, Wales and Northern Ireland the letters patent are held by the Queen's Printer, and in Scotland by the Scottish Bible Board. The office of Queen's Printer has been associated with the right to reproduce the Bible for centuries, the earliest known reference coming in 1577. In the 18th century all surviving interests in the monopoly were bought out by John Baskett. The Baskett rights descended through a number of printers and, in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, the Queen's Printer is now Cambridge University Press, who inherited the right when they took over the firm of Eyre & Spottiswoode in 1990.
Other royal charters of similar antiquity grant Cambridge University Press and Oxford University Press the right to produce the Authorized Version independently of the Queen's Printer. In Scotland the Authorized Version is published by Collins under licence from the Scottish Bible Board. The terms of the letters patent prohibit any other than the holders, or those authorized by the holders, from printing, publishing or importing the Authorized Version into the United Kingdom. The protection that the Authorized Version, and also the Book of Common Prayer, enjoy is the last remnant of the time when the Crown held a monopoly over all printing and publishing in the United Kingdom. All provisions granting copyright in perpetuity were abolished by the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, but because the Authorized Version is protected by royal prerogative rather than copyright, it will remain protected, as specified in CDPA s171(1)(b) .
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Cambridge University Press permits the reproduction of at most 500 verses for "liturgical and non-commercial educational use" if their prescribed acknowledgement is included, the quoted verses do not exceed 25% of the publication quoting them and do not include a complete Bible book.[154] For use beyond this, the Press is willing to consider permission requested on a case-by-case basis and in 2011 a spokesman said the Press generally does not charge a fee but tries to ensure that a reputable source text is used."
Note also that copyright applies to a particular text. Updating spelling and grammar can create a newly copyrightable text - or even transcribing a manuscript in some circumstances. But I don't particularly suspect that Faithlife is using a copyright version.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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NB.Mick said:
One reason resources are a bit more expensive than elsewhere is that Logos resources are tagged to work with all these functionalities - so Logos invests effort into this and it's not free to them, even if the text is in the Public Domain. You'll be happy to see that there are some free bibles in Logos, most prominently the Lexham English Bible. While you're at it, pick up the Faithlife Study Bible for free, too.
This I believe does not properly answer Daniel's concerns. Logos offers several books for free which require similar or maybe even more investment than that of the KJV. The versions they make available for free are not very reliable as has been shown by many evidencies. But that's for another decussion. My point is, if cost is an issue and I want to give something I have produced away for free, as a servant of God, I would chose to give away that which speaks more to my mission and purpose for free. Seeing we are amdassadors for God, then our primary goal should be to get the Word of God out to the world. Logos shows it's power and might in the study of God's word. It is unmatched by any other Bible Software on the market. I have been using it since Version 1.6 and was very fascinated from the moment I installed it from the floppy disks. Therefore, I believe the cost of Logos Bible Software should more be recovered in the arena of that which sets them apart from the rest, the study resources.
I am not in anyway diminishing what Logos have done, in making the basic platform available for free. I think that was a very good move, but I think the KJV should be in there, FREE. Unless Logos does not view the KJV as a reliable translation. Personally, I have come to see that no other translation has endured the persecution the KJV has gone through, and it has endured them all. To rule th KJV as unreliable is a crucial mistake we should avoid. None-the-less, I refuse to believe that that is what Logos is doing.
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I agree with Kevin. The KJV is PD and should be free regardless of what Logos thinks. That said, I do not hate Logos. I really like the app on the iPad. I love all the resources it has, albeit, many of the more useful ones are only available online, which is another reason I left Logos. I went to the other Bible software because their resources are available in the app. I like that. I like having everything available to me without having to take my phone, turn on a hotspot, and going online, just to check something, then turning off the hotspot and going back to reading. I just don't want people to think I am bashing Logos at all. They made an amazing software and I enjoyed it for as long as I had it, despite not being able to use the KJV or even the NKJV but only having other, modern, problematic versions available that are free. These "easy to read" modern versions that came into existence like the NIV, NLT, CEV, and others, I just cannot stand. I don't care for these translations but do use them for reference only, never study. This post is not about those modern versions, so I won't get into that here.
While Logos has made a great software and app, they lack in other areas, like business decisions. I thank you, MJ, for your help regarding these issues. I did turn off all email notifications and even wrote to Logos to ask them to stop emailing me, which I never got a response, just more emails wanting me to buy preloaded Bible resources which I will never use and am not interested in. Like I said above, if they came out with a feature to build your own resource pack, then I would be interested in continuing to use Logos. And, if they got rid of the apocrypha stuff in the KJV, which should not be there, but is included and forced on us whether we like it or not, then I would also continue to use Logos. I know the apocrypha stuff is not that much of a big deal, but when the company offers a apocrypha Bible as a standalone resource, then offers the KJV but includes all the apocrypha stuff in it to probably save themselves the work to separate everything, it becomes a big deal to me. The app I am using now offers a Bible with apocrypha, but separates the KJV without all those non-canon books forced on us. You can buy the Bible with and be happy or you can get the KJV without which is how it was to begin with.
This thread was not about the authenticity of God's Word, but about the pricing of a Public Domain translation of God's Word. I still believe that it should be free, regardless of how much time it took to write to code for Logos' app. Logos should not use that as an excuse to charge for something that has been free for the longest time. This is my thought on this and I won't sway from it. Every other app offers it for free and I don't see why Logos does not. It's free on the apps, but not on the downloadable software for the PC. I loved Logos, especially all the highlighting features, that I will miss, but I am doubly happy where I am now. I truly thank you, MJ and all of you for your thoughts and responses. I apologize if this thread upset anyone.
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I can't believe that I have to pay my electric bill. I didn't pay it last month and now they're threatening to shut me off !
Not really, but you get the point.
george
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Daniel said:
It's free on the apps, but not on the downloadable software for the PC.
A free Logos option for PC and Mac is creating a KJV Personal Book Bible. Thread => American Standard Version 1901 - Personal Bible without Chapter and Verse #'s has Bible docx files with Chapter and Verse plus Red Letter tagging.
Logos Blog has an article about KJV variations => https://blog.logos.com/2006/03/in_search_of_the_king_james_ve_1/ and Anglican KJV history => https://blog.logos.com/2013/06/scripture-in-the-anglican-tradition-the-story-of-the-king-james-bible/ Wikipedia article about KJV mentions 1611 "He" and "She" printings => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KJV
Searched Logos.com for History of English Bibles => https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=history+english+bible
Vyrso has some History of English Bible eBooks => https://vyrso.com/products/search?q=history+english+bibles
Thankful for 928 free Vyrso eBooks since Thanksgiving 2011, which are usable in Logos, Verbum, and Noet on PC and Mac (plus mobile apps).
Searching my Logos library for articles about the History of English Bibles found:
Thankful for Logos additional tagging that allows for visual filter highlighting so can "see" range of Greek verbal expression in a passage plus show Louw-Nida domain tagging of discourse markers:
Noticed five Greek tenses: Aorist, Future, Imperfect, Perfect, and Present in 2 Peter 3. Likewise noted five imperative moods.
Thankful for Logos 6 option to hide display of Chapter and Verse numbers.
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To join in beating this dead horse. Yes the KJV is more or less in PD... But Logos has tagged the KJV and has added in value, value which others have also added in for free, but it is Logos right to charge what they like. For people who like the poetic and archaic vernacular of the KJV that is their choice, they may even feel the received texts are superior to others, again their choice. The debate of this thread should never have been the usefulness or worth of the KJV translation, but the cost of this widely freely available version in Logos. Logos has enhanced the text with tagging, Logos has a right to charge for this even if it was for no other reason than they have put it into their proprietary format and are distributing it. The real question should perhaps be if I value the KJV translation and wish to use it in Logos why am I unwilling to pay $10 for it?
-Dan
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It's really a dead horse Dan.
Dan Francis said:... But Logos has tagged the KJV and has added in value, value which others have also added in for free, but it is Logos right to charge what they like.
This argument is the dead horse. Lets face the truth. The reason Logos is charging for the KJV is purly a business decision. Most businesses will not give away a best seller for free. Even if you charge a dollar per copy an all-time best seller will make you money. If it was a matter of the cost to produce it, then the over six hundred (600) resources they offer for free (which cost more than the KJV to produce), they could simply remove some of them from the free listing and put the KJV there.
What I, and I believe others are saying is that in keeping with logos mission statement this action does not agree (Our mission is to serve the church. We do this by fostering a culture of service and innovation, bycreating Bible study tools that connect people to the Word, and by hiring awesome, fun people..)
Dan Francis said:For people who like the poetic and archaic vernacular of the KJV that is their choice,...
-Dan
By this statement it would seem you have not interacted deeply with the KJV in study. But let me refrain from assuming I would love to know the premise on which you base this statement. None-the-less, if you objectively look at the issues of translations, it would be hard to walk away with such view of the KJV. I love the NIV, that is until it fails in the arena of holding up fundamental truths of the Word of God. Take the time out to read the purpose for which some of these new translations were created and you wont have to look very far to see a problem.
Let's let this horse rest in peace and let Logos speak on the matter and put all arguments to rest.
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Kevin Richards said:
By this statement it would seem you have not interacted deeply with the KJV in study.
On the contrary i use the KJV often and spent the first 15 years of my life virtually using nothing at all beyond my father's Scofield's Study Bible. If you have to look to a 400 year old translation to hold up a truth is it really much of a truth. Now i can see how one must go back to the greek and hebrew to support a truth because languages change and there are no full equivalent for most greek/hebrew words. The Amplified Bible did well showing this by trying to broaden out more important words to show their fuller meaning. There are numerous phrases in the KJV version that would lead many people to a wrong conclusion. Suffer the little children, is one that pops to mind, while the word suffer is meaning allow, it has been used within popular media as a reference that children should be made to suffer. Perhaps one day Logos may offer the KJV for free but I do not see it happening anytime soon. And much like the original author of this thread I would much prefer the NKJV if I am looking for reading the received text.
-Dan
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Daniel said:
The KJV is PD and should be free regardless of what Logos thinks. That said, I do not hate Logos. I really like the app on the iPad. I love all the resources it has, albeit, many of the more useful ones are only available online, which is another reason I left Logos. I went to the other Bible software because their resources are available in the app. I like that. I like having everything available to me without having to take my phone, turn on a hotspot, and going online, just to check something, then turning off the hotspot and going back to reading. I just don't want people to think I am bashing Logos at all.
I am confused as to what you are posting for. You left Logos and say you are happy with your new software. Why bother coming here? Are you saying you would come back to Logos if you could get the KJV for free? I am just wondering.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Ant. Tell me, Panthino, what sad talk was that 1
Wherewith my brother held you in the cloister? 2Pant. ’Twas of his nephew Proteus, your son. 3
Ant. Why, what of him? 4
Pant. He wonder’d that your lordship
Would suffer him to spend his youth at home, 5
While other men, of slender reputation, 6
Put forth their sons to seek preferment out:Shakespeare, "Two Gentlemen of Verona", Act I, Scene III
Of course, that's of about the same time as the AV (AKA: KJV)
george
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