You have to pay for KJV?

I have been using Logos for a little bit, as another software bit the dust BADLY so I have chosen Logos as my Bible resource now. However, even though KJV is free on mobile devices, it is not free on the PC version. This is a version that is free across multiple platforms including e-Sword, Olive Tree, Glo Bible, Blue Letter Bible, just to name a few. Why is Logos making us buy this translation in the PC version of their software? Not cool, especially since this version is free on every other software out there. I feel like Logos is making merchandise of me. I just bought a couple resources and was hoping KJV would be free like all my other apps and programs I have.

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NB.Mick

Hello Daniel,

welcome to the Logos forums!

I have chosen Logos as my Bible resource now.

Glad to hear that - in case of any questions or issues you'll have with the software, there are fellow users here who try to help you out. Even some Logos employees roam the forums and help with technical issues and questions.

I just bought a couple resources and was hoping KJV would be free

Well, it seems it currently isn't. Standalone it will be $10. You'll find that Logos works best with a library package, and those will contain an assortment of English bibles, including KJV - from Starter upwards in all of the various denominational flavours.

One reason resources are a bit more expensive than elsewhere is that Logos resources are tagged to work with all these functionalities - so Logos invests effort into this and it's not free to them, even if the text is in the Public Domain. You'll be happy to see that there are some free bibles in Logos, most prominently the Lexham English Bible. While you're at it, pick up the Faithlife Study Bible for free, too.

Daniel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653047#Comment_653047

I do understand that, but the Public Domain KJV is the same text and same features as seen on e-Sword, Olive Tree, etc. I don't see why Logos has to sell Public Domain books, especially the Bible. I appreciate that you are offering the Lexham English Bible and Faithlife Study Bible. I don't know anything about those Bibles. I have downloaded them, but haven't really compared the text. What scrolls are they translated from? Are they from the Majority Text like the KJV? Or are they the texts that are missing whole books and chapters and have deletions and such like the NIV and other modern translations. I am also not really interested in some of the resources in the Bible packages. Now, if you offered us the ability to choose resources of our own to add to a pack instead of what you think we would want, then I would be interested. I trust the KJV. Why is it free on mobile (iPad, iPhone, Android) and not on PC? That really doesn't make any sense to me. Logos is the only company that I have ever come across that charges for a Public Domain copy of the KJV where others other it for free. Forgive the frustration, but I am again having second thoughts about which app/program to invest my money and time. I just wish I would have known that the KJV was not included like in the mobile apps before I purchased the content I did. Any plans on making it free in the future? Because I would really like to come back and use Logos again. Until then I guess I will keep searching for another program.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653169#Comment_653169

Why is it free on mobile (iPad, iPhone, Android) and not on PC?

My understanding is that licensing arrangements allow Logos to make it available online (note that unless you purchase it you can't download it to your mobile device - unless that has changed) and the desktop app requires resources to be downloaded.

Any plans on making it free in the future?

I doubt it but we would need Faithlife / Logos to comment.

Until then I guess I will keep searching for another program.

My advice, for what it's worth, is to take everything into account - in terms of required features and functionality and overall cost - when making your decision.

Alan Macgregor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653169#Comment_653169

Daniel

I would respectfully suggest that if you want just to be able to read your Bible that you might consider other Bible software, as being able to meet your needs at little or no cost. Logos is really much more than a reader, though it does that job very well.

It really comes into its own when you have several resources, as underneath the text there are links and tags which unlock a potential for in-depth study which is so rich it is almost impossible to describe in a few words. Just imagine sitting down with your KJV Bible and having biblical language experts, linguistic scholars at your elbow ready to be called upon at a moment's notice and able to provide you with biblical insights you would never have dreamt of! As it stands, Logos provides more power and depth than even those of us who have been using it for over 20 years can plumb. As a result many of us have over the years invested heavily in Logos and rely heavily on its power, flexibility and functionality.

If you decide Logos is really not for you, then within thirty days of purchase, you can get a full refund from Logos if you contact Customer Services. However, I hope you will come to realise that Logos is worth having and using and also, using the video tutorials and the forums here, study God's Living Word in a deeper way.

Every blessing

Alan

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653207#Comment_653207

Actually he sounds like a troll for the KJV-only movement.

Entire books and chapters missing? List them.

Jerry

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653169#Comment_653169

I am again having second thoughts about which app/program to invest my money and time. I just wish I would have known that the KJV was not included like in the mobile apps before I purchased the content I did.

Do tell. What content was that?

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653169#Comment_653169

Logos is the only company that I have ever come across that charges for a Public Domain copy of the KJV where others other it for free.

Neither Accordance nor Bibleworks have free KJVs available. You have to buy a package to get it. At least Logos allows you to get it without a package.

If you're satisfied with the quality of the applications where you can get the KJV for free, then, by all means, use one of them instead of Logos. Quality software, extensive library, and customer support is why I use Logos.

Kevin A Lewis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653283#Comment_653283

Which one "bit the dust BADLY"

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653197#Comment_653197

My understanding is that licensing arrangements allow Logos to make it available online (note that unless you purchase it you can't download it to your mobile device - unless that has changed) and the desktop app requires resources to be downloaded.

Say what? There are no licensing issues when it comes to KJV.

The tagging for the desktop program is why it costs $$10.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653302#Comment_653302

My understanding is that licensing arrangements allow Logos to make it available online (note that unless you purchase it you can't download it to your mobile device - unless that has changed) and the desktop app requires resources to be downloaded.

Say what? There are no licensing issues when it comes to KJV.

The tagging for the desktop program is why it costs $$10.

Plus the ongoing support costs, such as phone support and server maintenance.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653302#Comment_653302

Whole books and chapters is feasible if you count the apocrypha. People forget 'canon' and 'Bible' are not the same. At least I do.

Alan's suggesting the Logos would not be a good candidate for just reading the Bible is interesting. Bob seems non-plus'd that his Bible! app isn't the cat's meow on mobiles. But the big bucks (from what I've seen at church) is moving people from the mobile platform (where many are) into Logos (which is often needed to get anything done on the mobile).

Which all goes back to some small intro packages. A KJV one. An ESV maybe (have to check the royalties, to see if translation accuracy is really workable). Anything to get 'readers' into 'study-ers'. Not talking theology here; money.

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653320#Comment_653320

Whole books and chapters is feasible if you count the apocrypha. People forget 'canon' and 'Bible' are not the same. At least I do.

Alan's suggesting the Logos would not be a good candidate for just reading the Bible is interesting. Bob seems non-plus'd that his Bible! app isn't the cat's meow on mobiles. But the big bucks (from what I've seen at church) is moving people from the mobile platform (where many are) into Logos (which is often needed to get anything done on the mobile).

Which all goes back to some small intro packages. A KJV one. An ESV maybe (have to check the royalties, to see if translation accuracy is really workable). Anything to get 'readers' into 'study-ers'. Not talking theology here; money.

Denise - great post!

I was wondering if someone would mention the apocrypha. Usually the KJV-only crowd does not like to admit it was part of the original. So in that case, the OP would be correct. But my guess is that is not what he is talking about. 2 posts and only in this one thread smells troll-y.

I can't seem to get any real study done on mobile - just reading. For pure Bible reading, I don't think you can beat YouVersion on mobile. For study, I don't think you can beat Logos on a desktop/notebook.

Though I do like the Faithlife Study bible on mobile. It does not get a lot of mention, is free, and pretty darn good.

Jerry

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653320#Comment_653320

Which all goes back to some small intro packages. A KJV one. An ESV maybe (have to check the royalties, to see if translation accuracy is really workable). Anything to get 'readers' into 'study-ers'. Not talking theology here; money.

I know this is not what Logos would want from a customer, but you could put together a pretty good starter package on your own for under $50.

Get the free engine, add your two preferred Bible versions, pick up the various free stuff around, maybe a cheaper dictionary and a one-volume commentary. That would be a good start if money is the barrier.

Jerry

Claude Brown Jr

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653298#Comment_653298

Which one "bit the dust BADLY"

Maybe he means Ages Software?

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653226#Comment_653226

Actually he sounds like a troll for the KJV-only movement.

Entire books and chapters missing? List them.

Noting wrong with preferring KJV. Some recognize the original KJV included the apocryhpa, which the NIV does not contain.

Claude Brown Jr

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653320#Comment_653320

Whole books and chapters is feasible if you count the apocrypha. People forget 'canon' and 'Bible' are not the same. At least I do.

Alan's suggesting the Logos would not be a good candidate for just reading the Bible is interesting. Bob seems non-plus'd that his Bible! app isn't the cat's meow on mobiles. But the big bucks (from what I've seen at church) is moving people from the mobile platform (where many are) into Logos (which is often needed to get anything done on the mobile).

Which all goes back to some small intro packages. A KJV one. An ESV maybe (have to check the royalties, to see if translation accuracy is really workable). Anything to get 'readers' into 'study-ers'. Not talking theology here; money.

Maybe I am missing something but my tablet version of Logos is no more than a reader and a not very good one at that. If the Tablet is a cheap android version then the functionality is very robust, but if on the windows platform then no more than a dumb Kindle version.

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653365#Comment_653365

Actually he sounds like a troll for the KJV-only movement.

Entire books and chapters missing? List them.

Noting wrong with preferring KJV. Some recognize the original KJV included the apocryhpa, which the NIV does not contain.

ST -

I am not talking about preferring the KJV (or a preference of any other version). I am talking about the KJV-only movement.

Jerry

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653368#Comment_653368

Ok, Claude. You threw down the gauntlet (whatever that is).

The Logos apps do a lot of research-y stuff, if you're connected to the internet (and have the resources).

So, reading-wise, what are you referring to? I'm just curious. (We're a bit off-topic.)

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653398#Comment_653398

am not talking about preferring the KJV (or a preference of any other version). I am talking about the KJV-only movement.

Why call him a troll just because he may be part of the KJV-only movement? He was stating that to inform respondents why another version would not meet his needs.

I have more Bible versions than I can shake a stick at but I attend a KJV-only church and am fine with it.

Claude Brown Jr

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653417#Comment_653417

Ok, Claude. You threw down the gauntlet (whatever that is).

The Logos apps do a lot of research-y stuff, if you're connected to the internet (and have the resources).

So, reading-wise, what are you referring to? I'm just curious. (We're a bit off-topic.)

I have a Toshiba Encore and the version of Logos available is for windows PC, which due to the size limits on the PC Tablet (I am guessing here) Logos only has the function of a Kindle reader and not all of its abilities; bookmarks, notes... I have an android tablet that has almost full functionality and so does Galaxy Note II it also has almost full functionality.So the "Apps" do well, even very well but the "program" for Windows "tablets" is basically a reader. I think the suggestion is to use Biblia. Did I say that right?

Alan Macgregor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653320#Comment_653320

Alan's suggesting the Logos would not be a good candidate for just reading the Bible is interesting.

That's not actually what I said; rather, I wrote that "I would respectfully suggest that if you want just to be able to read your Bible that you might consider other Bible software, as being able to meet your needs at little or no cost. Logos is really much more than a reader, though it does that job very well." (Emphasis and italics added)

There are many apps which do the reading thing very well. Particularly on the desktop. To classify Logos in this category is completely to miss what Logos is about. Logos is really unequalled for integrated studying of the Bible and other resources. It's why I, in common with many Logos users, have been happy to replace print resources I have had for many years with their Logos digital versions. That is why I'd like to move to a completely digital Logos library when funds permit. As it is, it is a long time since I referred to a printed grammar or lexical resource. (The most recent replacement in that field was Short's Latin Dictionary which I bought for next to nothing through CP/Prepub.)

The point that I was making to Daniel was that if a digital Bible reader was what he was looking for, then Logos, though completely adequate to that task, was perhaps not the best low-cost option. Using Logos solely for that purpose is like a teacher I knew about thirty years ago who had a high-performance Lotus Elan which she used solely to drive daily from her house to school (a distance of no more than 400 yards).

I also expressed the hope that Daniel would find in Logos a program which would open up a whole deeper world of Bible Study than he has perhaps been exposed to heretofore.

I hope that clarifies my position. My apologies if I did not express myself clearly enough in my first post.

Every blessing

Alan

Daniel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653398#Comment_653398

I am actually not a KJV only person, but thank you for judging me, Jerry. My preferred Bible is NKJV and I skip all the modern translations because of deletions. If you want me to list them, I will, but it seems that people are inclined to believe what they want. I started out with the NLT when I was first saved. Hated it. Then I went to the KJV but found out that as a new Christian, it was too difficult for me at the time. Then I went to the NIV, found out that they have the same deletions and changes as the NWT, which is the JW Bible (hmmm curious...) and trashed that one, literally. Then I went back to the KJV but finally chose the NKJV which is what the church I attended at the time used.

You can call me names all you wish, Jerry, it speaks volumes about your character and love of your fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord. I also do not believe the Apochrypha were Canon as not one of the apostles quoted any of it in their letters in all the New Testament, and neither did Jesus quote any of it. Also, the church fathers didn't think it should be there so I am content with all these findings. It is nice history, but not inspired.

And as I referenced above, the KJV is included in ALL other apps and programs I own, regardless of this licensing that I am reading about. All these other developers seemed to have gotten around the licensing just fine. Legally. I already said e-Sword has it. However, the app for the iPad is not what I am looking for in a Bible app. It fades in comparison to the developer's PC version. Olive Tree has plenty of free resources, sold here at Logos for 20-40 dollars, but I have them for free. Olive Tree has bit the dust painfully and are now in the process of trying to fix their mess, which I hope is soon. They also include the KJV for free, no questions asked. Even on their PC version of the software. Blue Letter Bible, which I also have as an app, yup, you guessed it, also includes the KJV. Glo Bible, also includes the KJV Bible and to my shock and surprise, also the NKJV which I found comfort in.

I am not a KJV only person, but I love this text from a translation that has withstood time and attacks for over 403 years. Some of you can indeed join the bandwagon and attack a fellow believer, or you can see this for what it is: my questioning the reasoning behind selling this timeless translation where others have offered it for free. I know some of you say "Well, Logos is not for you" or "You are free to use those other apps and programs" so as to stand your ground and defend Logos, but I am not attacking Logos in the least bit. I am asking a question and I have been pretty much told to take a hike and have been likened to a mythological creature. It is great to feel the love, warmth and compassion in the Church these days. I come asking a question, and I leave with the knowledge that perhaps I shouldn't support this company. Thank you for making up my mind and I will be taking advantage of that 30 day warranty on what I purchased.

Kevin A Lewis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653943#Comment_653943

Daniel

Don't feel to aggrieved - it's kind of what happens on forums - even Christian ones.

On the subject of you enquiry the KJV and many other older texts are public domain as you suggest - however the work Faithlife/Logos put into them is not.

If you want to have a simple reader - Logos is not the tool for you

If you want a more clever tool to do text searches and a bit more - Logos is not the tool for you.

If you want a highly sophisticated and scalable library with a peerless set of resources available and enabled for the sophistication the most demanding of study regimes require - then Logos is exactly the tool for you.

It all rather depends what you needs are - or even can be encouraged to become.

n.b. nobody wanted spreadsheet software when it 1st came out - until they could see what it could do.

Shalom

GregW

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653943#Comment_653943

Daniel - While I would strongly disagree with you on the KJV (and this isn't the place for that kind of discussion) I would echo Kevin's comments above. The work that Logos puts into these texts doesn't come without a cost, and the fact that they charge is one of the reasons why they haven't got into the sort of problems other Bible software companies have. I think you need to look beyond the matter of charging for the KJV, and consider the bigger picture of whether Logos has the sort of tools and resources you need for your study. If you just want a reader, it isn't for you, but before you go for a product that gives you a free KJV and buy other resources in their format (and the three leading products don't offer free KJVs with their desktop software - in fact I think Logos is the only offering the desktop software free), consider what other resources you will need. Will you be looking for commentaries? Will you be looking for Bible dictionaries, lexicons, ancient texts, Greek/Hebrew grammar resources, maps, etc? If so, I suggest you check this before jumping on board with a software product. A free KJV with limited availability of other paid-for resources isn't good value.

The issue of whether one particular resource is free or not is actually not the thing that should drive this sort of decision.

I trust God blesses you in your study, and do regret the language that some use on here sometimes. Unfortunately passion and zeal can end up getting misdirected (on either side of any issue) and we are all broken and flawed individuals (sorry if some count that as a theological statement!)

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653984#Comment_653984

Daniel -

I am sorry I called you a name. I did not intend it that way, but you took it that way and so I must apologize. Your second post in the thread sounded troll-ish to me. Troll as in internet-speak, not as a mythical creature. I apologize for the hurt I caused and ask for your forgiveness.

I do stand by my question - I know of the supposed deletions you speak of, but you claimed entire books and chapters have been eliminated. That simply is not true.

Finally, don't make your decision to use or not use Logos because I was a jerk to you. The software can be a real blessing if you take the time to learn it.

Jerry

Jon

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653943#Comment_653943

For simple reading and study that doesn't need the full power of Logos on the desktop you could also consider using biblia.com which is closer in functionality to the mobile apps, includes the free bibles, and is accessible in any modern web browser.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/654102#Comment_654102

OliveTree may give him what he wants too... Logos is a great tool, but not necessarily the right one for everyone. It is obvious he prefers the received text. If he goes with OT he may even look into the Orthodox Study Bible (which starts off from the NKJV but moves on in the Old Testament to giving translations preferred by the LXX).

-Dan

Daniel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/654010#Comment_654010

Greg and Kevin, thank you for your well thought out responses. I apologize if this thread has caused an issue in here among us all. That was not my intention.

Greg, in my Google searches, e-Sword has always topped out every other software when it comes to free Bible software. Rick Meyers, the developer of e-Sword, has always offered his software for free, with multiple resources he painstakingly coded himself to work with his program, including the KJV and KJV+ (with Strong's). I like e-Sword and I like Olive Tree and I really like Logos with all the great tools they offer. I don't like that much of the tools require an internet connection as I am not always around the internet where I live. I don't simply want a reader only, I want a study tool which I did find in e-Sword, Olive Tree, Logos and others. The two former offer many of their resources for free though, who also had to work to incorporate into their software, but they still offered even the Public Domain versions for free, regardless of the work they put into it.

I did look at the packages that offered many of the Bibles and commentaries, but i couldn't see paying, even for the standard version, when it included titles like the Douay Rheims (hope I spelled that right) and other Bibles I just wouldn't ever use. I think it would be a better deal if we were able to choose our own modules instead of just being given what Logos thinks we need. There are a lot of resources in those packages I just would never use.

Jerry, no harm done. Nothing to forgive. I think we both got a little frustrated on both our ends, which is bound to happen. Even the disciples argued amongst themselves over who would be greater. The fact is they argued. So did Paul and Peter when Peter at one point. I still stand firmly behind the deletions in the NIV and I can prove it. Especially since my wife has an NIV and I checked many of those supposed deletions and changes and they were in fact not in the NIV. I could list them all, but I figure, what good would it do. Even with proof people will still see what they want to see, right? I had this same argument in a group on facebook I belong to and when I submitted all the evidence and proof, I never heard from the person again. Even with an online link and pictures taken of my wife's Bible. I know this is not the subject here, so we won't get into it. If you would like the same information I submitted in that group, PM me and I will oblige.

Dan, yes I do prefer the received text. From my own study, listening to individuals, well seasoned Bible teachers, pastors, etc. about the subject of the authenticity of God's Word, I have come to discover where all those translations come from and also where the KJV comes from. I've listened to David Hocking, the late Chuck Smith, Dr. Mark Eastman, Don Stewart. Just to name a few. I am currently taking a course in Christology and will be getting to the History and Authenticity of the Bible where all these claims are taught.

I thank you all for your words of encouragement and your thoughts on this subject. I would much rather put it all behind me. I apologize for all the unnecessary grief it may have caused.It was not my intention.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/654599#Comment_654599

I really like Logos with all the great tools they offer. I don't like that much of the tools require an internet connection as I am not always around the internet where I live.

That is really only true for the mobile app. The major features on the desktop app are for "offline" use.

I don't simply want a reader only, I want a study tool which I did find in e-Sword, Olive Tree, Logos and others. The two former offer many of their resources for free though, who also had to work to incorporate into their software, but they still offered even the Public Domain versions for free, regardless of the work they put into it.

Logos is a major company, with many employees and mouths to feed. Its primary benefit, in my opinion, is that of a "digital research library." A library should have books which you agree with, and those which you don't. Logos primarily keeps in business through the sale of "base packages" to those of us who like to have large libraries of books. Someone might ask: "When will you read ALL of those books," and the answer is, of course, I won't. The point of having a large library isn't that you will read ALL of the books, but rather that you will have the right books there when you need them.

If you are wanting a less expensive route, you will need to stick with other options, or utilize the "minimal cross grades" and such. One last thing: Logos also has a "trade" eBook store called Vyrso which sells "trade" books like you would find at your local evangelical "Christian Book Store." Logos makes very little on these books... they are auto converted from the files the publisher sends, rather than the more extensively tagged "logos edition" books. Vyrso books do integrate into the Logos system, but with less functionality than Logos ones.

Daniel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/654605#Comment_654605

Thank you, alabama24. I suppose the best thing for me to do is enjoy the fact that Logos is a terrific company and like pastors who are worthy of their wages, so are software developers who make these resources available to us. I know that it would be difficult to find a 10 dollar KJV Bible in a store these days and 10 dollars for a digital version of it is a great tool what with all the features it contains.

I would desire that Logos make the online features available offline for those who desire them, as I do use my Bible app away from wifi available places. I wouldn't care if we had to download a much larger file in order to do so either.

Please, all of you, please don't misunderstand. I absolutely love Logos. Right now I am not available to keep purchasing modules for this software as I am living in Thailand with my wife who is a missionary and baht to dollar does not go very far as for every baht is about 3 cents. The cost of living here is great, if you pay for the things you need here.We pay equivalent to about 150 dollars for rent each month and that is including trash, water and electricity. I am getting off topic, slightly.

I appreciate all your responses. Since I cannot use one of my modules I purchased, as it is only interlinear with certain Bible translations, I asked for a refund so I can purchase the KJV. I haven't heard anything yet, but I was told I have 30 days to request one and it's only been a couple days since I've had it.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Logos tagged KJV Bible => https://www.logos.com/product/17910/the-holy-bible-king-james-version is included in many Base packages.

Logos tagged NKJV Bible => https://www.logos.com/product/317/the-new-king-james-version-bible is also included in many Base packages.

Free desktop option is creating a personal book bible (by adding appropriate tagging to public domain text). 1901 American Standard Version is freely available => https://community.logos.com/forums/t/42950.aspx

Logos 6 new feature is option to hide Chapter and Verse numbers in any Bible.

Keep Smiling [:)]

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/654678#Comment_654678

I would desire that Logos make the online features available offline for those who desire them, as I do use my Bible app away from wifi available places. I wouldn't care if we had to download a much larger file in order to do so either.

As long as you are not on a tablet, they are all available (With the exception of Atlas as I understand it). Even mobile Ed can be downloaded to your pc.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/654867#Comment_654867

As long as you are not on a tablet, they are all available (With the exception of Atlas as I understand it)

There are some other features currently only available online

See https://community.logos.com/forums/p/93180/647419.aspx#647419 and following for a discussion of this

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/654875#Comment_654875

One more thing. I am not sure if your phone/tablet is Apple, but if it is you might want to download the free Accordance APP. It works fully offline and after signing up a free account allows you to download a fair number of free resources including KJV and ESV tied to original languages.

-Dan

Daniel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/655074#Comment_655074

Thank you, abondservant. I did try the features offline, like Guides which is awesome, but it was only available offline.Yes, I just tried it now and it is only available offline. I would LOVE to have this feature offline as it is such a great tool.

Dan, yes it is the iPad. Thank you for your suggestion, I will definitely look into it. I am looking for a feature-filled app/program, not just a reader, and I do know that to get many resources one has to invest in those resources. I am not feigning ignorance or anything on this point. I just want to make that clear.

Thank you, Graham, for your response on the features that are available online only. I am hoping that Logos will indeed add the ability to make online only features available offline. I know in the USA and other major countries it is pretty much a given most people have always on affordable wifi packages and they can pretty much go anywhere and be online. I lived in Southern California all my life up until this past April so I knew that freedom of always available wifi. However, I am not living in a country that wifi, though readily available for many, there are still those who cannot have it readily available, like myself and my wife. We have wifi here, but it is only set to one device at a time as it is a session based wifi that we pay for each month. It's not bad for what we get and how much it is, but we don't have the freedom that always on wifi offers. The landlord turns off our wifi periodically so he can have the most speed and gives us a time when he will turn it back on again. He won't let us have our own wifi as he doesn't want new wiring or drilling in this apartment block he owns and manages. Plus, it's so he can make money off his tenants as well. I know this was not necessary to say, but I wanted to give you another perspective on those who don't have the wifi freedom as many of us in foreign countries have. I will just keep hoping that Logos gives us the ability to make these features available offline for mobile devices.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/655443#Comment_655443

I am well aware that we should not encourage the use of other software on here but ideally Accordance on your iPad is likely going to be your best option for a free full featured Bible study program that will function fully offline. And it offers a low entry price if you want to have it on your computer as well.

-Dan

Daniel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/655767#Comment_655767

Thank you, Dan. I actually did install it and had it for 5 minutes before uninstalling it. The store was very small and everything cost way more than in Logos. I didn't even see the KJV in there and it wasn't in the free library I got at default. Just the WEB and ESV which I don't use, and two demo's of Greek and Hebrew concordances, I believe. They really wanted way too much for most of their modules and I had to uninstall.

Logos appears to be the best source for Bible reading and study that I need for now. I failed to mention that when I moved here I forgot to add my Bible to my bag, as I already had my Bible on my iPad. My dad sent me my NKJV Bible and all is well, but I am really missing my Scofield, which I am hoping to get soon.

I probably would never have installed Logos again (I had it before, but didn't keep it as I was using Olive Tree) if it hadn't been for Olive Tree biting the dust BADLY with their newest update that completely destroyed the app. I have tons of notes and highlights there that are still there in their cloud and in Evernote should the whole program blow up or something.

Right now, I am happy and content with Logos and will still probably use it when Olive Tree sorts out their mess as Logos has features and resources that Logos doesn't have and Logos has features and resources that Olive Tree doesn't have. I love all the highlighting features that Logos has over Olive Tree. And the cool ability to add more highlights under Inductive and other styles is absolutely fantastic!

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/656103#Comment_656103

Sorry you did not like it, i knew you had to register before you got anything more than those two... but at least you put out no more money than the cost of the download to try. Hopefully one day Logos will offer enough offline support to meet your needs.

-Dan

Terri Young

It's been so long since I first got Logos software it's hard to remember what I started out with. Is the AV - Authorized Version - free? If so, that is KJV without the apoc. If I recall correctly, it was right after I purchased the KJV I noticed I already had AV version and didn't need it after all.

Daniel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/656131#Comment_656131

I did a search on the Logos website for the Authorized Version and it is indeed the King James Version. It's for sale for 10 dollars. Once I get my refund (they already deleted the content I purchased, but I still haven't received my refund) then I will purchase the King James Version to add to my library.

Kevin Richards

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653226#Comment_653226

It would be very nice if we refrain from the practice of just labelling people before we really understand their point of view. The people you refer to as KJV-only have raised some fundamental isuues that have gone really wrong with several of the popular versions of today. It would be nice if you forget about your position on the issue and really look at it from an objective unbiased point of view. I have so I know we all can. Let's just stop call people names.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/686473#Comment_686473

Welcome to the forums, Kevin. I didn't see anyone refer to KJV-only in this thread. Most people try to focus on Logos software, the purpose of this forum, rather than theological debate or name calling. Is there some reference here that concerned you?

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/686478#Comment_686478

Welcome to the forums, Kevin. I didn't see anyone refer to KJV-only in this thread. Most people try to focus on Logos software, the purpose of this forum, rather than theological debate or name calling. Is there some reference here that concerned you?

From the 6th post:

Actually he sounds like a troll for the KJV-only movement.

Entire books and chapters missing? List them.

Jerry

But Jerry apologized and all was finished until the post by Kevin Richards.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/686473#Comment_686473

It would be very nice if we refrain from the practice of just labelling people before we really understand their point of view.

Yes, Kevin, we shouldn't presume we know why people post. And {EDIT: premature} labelling is seldom helpful.

Welcome to the forums.

JAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/686482#Comment_686482

Joseph, I just noticed your disclaimer and how it seems appropriate to this thread. [Y]

Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/686484#Comment_686484

And labelling is seldom helpful.

Super Tramp, Super Tramp, why must you tempt me? Labeling is very useful - if Mother hadn't labelled heirlooms with where they were from and to whom they were to go, clearing her apartment would have been much more difficult. And if I didn't label pantry and freezer items I'd be even more puzzled than I am now. So don't 'dis labeling. [:P] [;)]

Okay, I went off topic but its the weekend .... [:D]

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/686488#Comment_686488

So don't 'dis labeling

I like labels too.

***Edited my earlier post to specify "premature" labelling.***

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/686486#Comment_686486

Joseph, I just noticed your disclaimer and how it seems appropriate to this thread.

Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.

[Y]

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/653315#Comment_653315

I don't disagree with what either of you are saying in principal but they don't really stand up as valid arguments for Logos charging $10 for KJV when you can get the Lexham English Bible - which probably involves more tagging and notes than KJV - for free. Logos don't ask you to pay $10 to help cover costs of LEB so why for the PD KJV ? It really comes down to being a business decision.

My understanding is that licensing arrangements allow Logos to make it available online (note that unless you purchase it you can't download it to your mobile device - unless that has changed) and the desktop app requires resources to be downloaded.

Say what? There are no licensing issues when it comes to KJV.

The tagging for the desktop program is why it costs $$10.

Plus the ongoing support costs, such as phone support and server maintenance.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/686539#Comment_686539

Yes, but Faithlife owns all the rights to their Bible while Queen Elizabeth owns the rights to the KJV IIRC,