Please...Oh please....make the Win version more resemble....cough...cough....this....
I know that this has been discussed before but seeing he A11 screen shots always reminds me just how "washed out" and HARD TO SEE....the windows version really is.
Notice how all of the buttons and commands "pop"? They are easily distinguised from the background?
Notice that you can see EXACTLY where the "handle" to scroll is because it's dark?
PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE.....can we just TRY to go this direction?
Robert Pavich
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Robert Pavich said:
I know that this has been discussed before but seeing he A11 screen shots always reminds me just how "washed out" and HARD TO SEE....the windows version really is.
So this is why you are always hanging out on the L4Mac forum!!! YOU HAVE MAC ENVY! [<:o)]
Seriously, I agree with you. That was why I made yesterday's foray down memory lane with 1.XX and L3 I was looking for something easier on my eyes like L4Mac is.
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Amen! Amen! Amen! can I get another witness to this need [:D]
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Terry Poperszky said:
So this is why you are always hanging out on the L4Mac forum!!! YOU HAVE MAC ENVY!
Terry,
I must admit...I followed that link to the mac store.. [;)]
Robert Pavich
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I too would like to see more contrast between the active panes and the other open resources. The "handle" could use sharper contrast. As I age, this is becoming more of an issue.
I like the clean look of this program.
Thanks
Chuck
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[Y][Y][Y]. Add my vote to this request.
Ted
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+1 [Y] . Why are the buttons on the windows version flat anyway?
+2 for the scroll bars!!!
Also placing a "x" button to each tab would also be nice.
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More contrast, yes! Thanks, Robert for bringing this up!!! It does look all washed out and to my emotion, somewhat lonely and lackluster.
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You are a brave man Robert... risking a lynching for PC heresy. [Y]Robert Pavich said:Notice how all of the buttons and commands "pop"? They are easily distinguised from the background?
On a serious note, to be honest this is what I love about the dual platform approach Logos has undertaken. There is stuff that is cool on both the PC and Mac side and I know both teams are working together to bring the best of both OS environments to bear.
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Notice our nice blue slider control? We can actually see it :-)0 -
Whyndell Grizzard said:
Amen! Amen! Amen! can I get another witness to this need
[Y] I see that hand
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Joe Miller said:
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Notice our nice blue slider control? We can actually see it :-)Kevin Purcell has been hollering about this from Day 1. We older guys have failing eyesight and need a little help with contrast and snappy colors WITHOUT having to become PC infidels and cross into that Mac region. Please do give us pretty buttons and sliders.
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Then I was asking for it from day -28 since it was a request of mine in the Beta testing phase. Remember, I had an entire thread on how to make improvements for those folks with visual impairments? Anyway, I hope it happens on the PC side and stays solid on the Mac side :-)Matthew C Jones said:Joe Miller said:PS
Notice our nice blue slider control? We can actually see it :-)Kevin Purcell has been hollering about this from Day 1
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Joe Miller said:
You are a brave man Robert... risking a lynching for PC heresy.
Well to be precise...I said I wanted the LOOK of the Mac version...not that I wanted a Mac.... [:D]
Robert Pavich
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Joe Miller said:
Then I was asking for it from day -28 since it was a request of mine in the Beta testing phase. Remember, I had an entire thread on how to make improvements for those folks with visual impairments? Anyway, I hope it happens on the PC side and stays solid on the Mac side :-)
I still remember the conversation, your comments about the homepage and fonts !
Ted
Dell, studio XPS 7100, Ram 8GB, 64 - bit Operating System, AMD Phenom(mt) IIX6 1055T Processor 2.80 GHZ
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I nearly bought a MAC when shopping for a new laptop 2 yrs ago. The reason I didn't--Logos for MAC wasn't ready to launch and I couldn't wait any longer (computer died). Love this look[Y][Y]
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Robert Pavich said:
Well to be precise...I said I wanted the LOOK of the Mac version...not that I wanted a Mac....
Now there is a typical PC user. I want all the Mac goodness, I just don't want a Mac. [:P]
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Ted Hans said:
I still remember the conversation, and your comments about homepage and the fonts !
I am sorry I did not give Joe his due credit. I guess I don't spend enough times on the forums. [:O] I missed that one and will try to hunt it down. The ZoomText software solutions aren't working that great for me.
I have not tried multi-monitors on my L4 installation because I don't have room for the 36" monitors where I have the desktop.
[Ted, I could not figure out how to answer your question about my monitors. I've got five 36" Behemoths - 3 are Gateway Destination with low resolution.]
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[Y] Yes, much better contrast and presumably easier on these 56 year-old eyes.
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well, no "credit" needed.. more to the point I wanted to suggest that this has been an issue for a long time and I hope to see some progress on the Windows side for those who have trouble seeing. I am really happy with the clarity of the program on the Mac side. Even the book print is much clearer than the older 1.2.2 mac version.Matthew C Jones said:I am sorry I did not give Joe his due credit. I guess I don't spend enough times on the forums.
I missed that one and will try to hunt it down.PS
At the Beta testing time, I gathered input from several other testers and tried to put it all on one page. If you do find the old thread, I know there was a collection of suggestion that maybe should be revived.
Blessings all!
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More contrast will be cool, as well as a clearer indication of the active pane. But please don't add X's on each tab - they waste a huge amount of space, especially on smaller screens like laptops. The current single X at the top-right of each pane is very clean and very intuitive.
Making the scrollbar "handle" darker when hovered over is also a good idea, but I very much like the way the scrollbar "disappears" into the background when the mouse is not being hovered over it. Basically, for my 2c worth, keep the wonderful, clean look and add a little extra contrast to make certain things clearer.
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Matthew C Jones said:
I have not tried multi-monitors on my L4 installation because I don't have room for the 36" monitors where I have the desktop.
[Ted, I could not figure out how to answer your question about my monitors. I've got five 36" Behemoths - 3 are Gateway Destination with low resolution.]
Thanks Matthew. You' ve got five! I salute you, every blessings brother.
Ted.
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Robert Pavich said:
PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE.....can we just TRY to go this direction?
I agree. I have several programs that use "skins" and they generally suffer the same kind of problems. I don't know if Logos UI is a skin, but it has that same washed out look. I like the olden days when programs pretty much used my Windows color preferences.
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Joe Miller said:Matthew C Jones said:
I am sorry I did not give Joe his due credit. I guess I don't spend enough times on the forums.
I missed that one and will try to hunt it down.well, no "credit" needed.. more to the point I wanted to suggest that this has been an issue for a long time and I hope to see some progress on the Windows side for those who have trouble seeing. I am really happy with the clarity of the program on the Mac side. Even the book print is much clearer than the older 1.2.2 mac version.
PS
At the Beta testing time, I gathered input from several other testers and tried to put it all on one page. If you do find the old thread, I know there was a collection of suggestion that maybe should be revived.
You can have the credit. I just want the darker interface. But you are right that we have been singing this chorus longer than most since we both have mentioned it many times.
I like the mac version for the following
1. High contrast
2. scroll bar is always there
3. Has the traditional look and feel of it's OS. I'd like that only with a Windows look and feel. So kill me. I like Windows.
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RalphAAbernethyIII said: Yes, much better contrast and presumably easier on these 56 year-old eyes.
Ralph!
I am going to be 56 on Tuesday! Happy Birthday to me! Guess I will have to buy some Logos books.
Is there a possibility, that changing colors in Windows 7, will make the colors in Logos4 behave better???
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nopeDan Sheppard said:Is there a possibility, that changing colors in Windows 7, will make the colors in Logos4 behave better???
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Happy Birthday, Dan! I beat you to 56 by twenty-one days.
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Ahh....it's nice to see at least a few who are older than me! [^]
50 here....
Robert Pavich
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Robert Pavich said:
Ahh....it's nice to see at least a few who are older than me!
50 here....
Yes, but by your avatar, you look MUCH older than we are!
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what'choo talkin' bout' Dan?
Robert Pavich
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Bob, i was just wondering if this thread should not be on the "suggest" section for new feature to be added?
Ted
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Another way of looking at this is that clearly someone at Logos thinks the washed out interface of Logos actually looks good, because the Mac version is a little behind the Windows version, perhaps all you Mac users are fated for the same washed out interface we PC users have to put up with. I think it behooves us all to cry load and long--give us more contrast!
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Ted Hans said:
Bob, i was just wondering if this thread should not be on the "suggest" section for new feature to be added?
Done [:D]Robert Pavich
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As another 56 yr old (is this a trend?!!?) I add my voice to the cry for some more contrast
But forget the Mac - windows is fine by me!
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John Finkelde said:
But forget the Mac - windows is fine by me!
John,
just a word of friendly advice...if you wake up and find your house is surrounded by angry villagers with pitchforks, go-tees, and trendy shaped glasses....run!
Robert Pavich
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I'm sorry to dissent, but I like it as it is - I don't mind a change, but please make it just an 'option'. With the 'washed out look' all I see is the primary text - that's great!
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Matthew Godwin said:
I'm sorry to dissent, but I like it as it is - I don't mind a change, but please make it just an 'option'. With the 'washed out look' all I see is the primary text - that's great!
Matthew..
I'm sure we'd all agree that having it optional is fine with "the rest of us"... [:D]
Robert Pavich
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hey.... I resemble that remark... [;)]Robert Pavich said:just a word of friendly advice...if you wake up and find your house is surrounded by angry villagers with pitchforks, go-tees, and trendy shaped glasses....run!
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Joe Miller said:
hey.... I resemble that remark...
Joe,
I must be honest...when I said that....i was thinking of your avatar.... [:D]
Robert Pavich
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Robert Pavich said:
I'm sure we'd all agree that having it optional is fine with "the rest of us"...
Robert, you are talking nonsense. IT ALREADY IS AN OPTION!!! People with good computers have it, people with Windows, don't [6]
Disclaimer: Yes this is humor, if you have none, please skip to the next thread. [:P]
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Terry Poperszky said:
Robert, you are talking nonsense. IT ALREADY IS AN OPTION!!! People with good computers have it, people with Windows, don't
Disclaimer: Yes this is humor, if you have none, please skip to the next thread.
Speechless..... [8o|] [:D]
Robert Pavich
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Just remember that the ultimate aim is covergence. By the time it gets to beta, your Mac will be looking just like my PC... [:P]
Having said that, I don't like the low contrast either - and I'm "only" 34!
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I am just happy to know you are thinking of me brother [:)]Robert Pavich said:Joe Miller said:hey.... I resemble that remark...
Joe,
I must be honest...when I said that....i was thinking of your avatar....
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Terry Poperszky said:
People with good computers have it, people with Windows, don't
Sadly this lone comment puts everything you've ever posted into question. I will have go back and read your 472 posts to make sure I have not formed any opinions based on your foolishness. (yeah I'm just kidding too)
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I agree. Those with ideal emvironments may find this OK. With a laptop, multiple poor locations and old eyes I have a tough time.
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Charles C.G. Miller said:
I agree. Those with ideal emvironments may find this OK. With a laptop, multiple poor locations and old eyes I have a tough time.
the problem is...I "get by" by tweaking all of the settings on my graphics card WAY DIFFERENT than any other app needs them....so when Logos looks ok....then EVERYTHING else is just about whited out...
When i switch back so I can use my laptop...then Logos is in a white out condition....
something is wrong here...I even have the two different settings hotkey'd ....Push Alt + L for "dark enough for Logos" and Push Alt + N for "the rest of my laptop"...
Robert Pavich
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I have noticed people mentioning that the scroll bar actually "disappears", and I have read of things being in a "white out condition". So, I put together a wiki page with a simple monitor adjustment tool. If you adjust your monitor according to this page then we can be sure that everyone is seeing the same thing.
http://wiki.logos.com/Adjusting_your_Monitor
If adjusted correctly, you shouldn't have to be switching settings between Logos and your other apps. Let me know if this helps.
User Interface Designer - Logos Bible Software
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Yes. Yes! YES!!!!!!!
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Darren,
Thank you for that; but it REALLY washed everything out.
Here is my issue.
Somehow Logos is different than every other app, and everything else I use...and so I have to switch...
The contrast level in Logos is very low and so I have to compensate.
I hope that's a little more clear...
Robert Pavich
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THis may be a bit much to ask or maybe not but I would love it if I could customize the colors of the fonts and the GUI would take on all the default colors of whatever theme you have running in windows at the time. I like variety when it comes to color schemes. That is why I use WindowBlinds. It would be nice to change my theme for the windows color theme and have L4 follow along as all my other apps do. As it is L4 always has the same color scheme (accept for the limited ability to change the resource background color).
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