Table of Contents Width

Whyndell Grizzard
Whyndell Grizzard Member Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

I have opened up resources and started checking the width of the "table of contents" the average is 3 inches- what a waste of viewing space this is very annoying to have to constantly adjust this- there is no reason this should be any wider than 1.25"- this needs to be fixed- sooner not later.

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  • Jack Caviness
    Jack Caviness Member, MVP Posts: 13,487 ✭✭✭

    I agree that the TOC pane is too wide and should be narrowed.

  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    I have opened up resources and started checking the width of the "table of contents" the average is 3 inches- what a waste of viewing space this is very annoying to have to constantly adjust this- there is no reason this should be any wider than 1.25"- this needs to be fixed- sooner not later.

    It's not a fixed width. It's a percentage of the open panel.

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  • Gregory Lawhorn
    Gregory Lawhorn Member Posts: 982 ✭✭

    I have opened up resources and started checking the width of the "table of contents" the average is 3 inches- what a waste of viewing space this is very annoying to have to constantly adjust this- there is no reason this should be any wider than 1.25"- this needs to be fixed- sooner not later.

    I would prefer having an adjustable TOC column. There are times when a narrow view doesn't show enough.

  • Reuben Helmuth
    Reuben Helmuth Member, MVP Posts: 2,485

    I would prefer having an adjustable TOC column.

    Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I have good news for you: it is adjustable!

  • David Paul
    David Paul Member Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭

    I've complained about this since L4. Yes, it is adjustable, but it is annoying that the program doesn't remember where the user has set it, and so it must be adjusted every time you have to open or reopen a window. How hard is it to get the program to remember the setting you pick?

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  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith Member, MVP Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭

    How hard is it to get the program to remember the setting you pick?

    Not hard at all, but one of Faithlife's small but important revenue streams come from the makers of computer mice. FL gets revenue if they help mice wear out faster and need to be replaced. So, they leave few things in the software like this for that purpose. (They do get less revenue since mice shed their rolling balls, unfortunately.)

    OK. That's not the truth. 

    After many years of development it would seem to be a small thing to do.

    But what would you want, a resource specific width or one that applies to all resources? If the former that's where things would get a little more complicated. I imagine FL could figure that one out, but they would first balance user need, user demand, and the cost of getting it done. So maybe not as simple as it seems.

    Until they get it accomplished, you are helping keep mouse manufacturers in business, if only in a small way. They appreciate it. ;)

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  • Mike Binks
    Mike Binks Member, MVP Posts: 7,428 ✭✭✭

    But what would you want,

    Me?

    I would want the software to automatically accommodate at least 80% of the table of contents entries.

    If the resulting width was unreasonably wide then the software should break the entry over two or more lines and resize.

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  • David Paul
    David Paul Member Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭

    For my Bible, I want it to remain as small as possible...literally having only one letter showing. I guess my biggest irritation is that trying to resize the TOC is so annoying. I often have move the cursor back and forth over the line more than a dozen times trying to get it to register that I have the ability to "grab" it, only to have the cursor lose that ability when I do actually click. The change of the cursor from "regular" to "resize" needs to be less challenging and more responsive.

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  • Whyndell Grizzard
    Whyndell Grizzard Member Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭

    the TOC needs to open at no more 1.25" 90% of resource TOC's can accommodate this setup- it is so annoying to have to adjust every single resource only to have to redo it the next time- REALLY!!!!!

  • Andrew Batishko
    Andrew Batishko Member, Logos Employee Posts: 5,362

    I guess my biggest irritation is that trying to resize the TOC is so annoying. I often have move the cursor back and forth over the line more than a dozen times trying to get it to register that I have the ability to "grab" it, only to have the cursor lose that ability when I do actually click. The change of the cursor from "regular" to "resize" needs to be less challenging and more responsive.

    This greatly annoys me too. I've created a case to fix this problem.

    I've complained about this since L4. Yes, it is adjustable, but it is annoying that the program doesn't remember where the user has set it, and so it must be adjusted every time you have to open or reopen a window. How hard is it to get the program to remember the setting you pick?

    I've also created a case to get this fixed too.

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  • Mike Binks
    Mike Binks Member, MVP Posts: 7,428 ✭✭✭

    the TOC needs to open at no more 1.25" 90% of resource TOC's can accommodate this setup- it is so annoying to have to adjust every single resource only to have to redo it the next time- REALLY!!!!!

    1.25 inches would look tiny on my 100in monitor  :-)

    Seriously the size needs to be proportional not absolute.

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  • Whyndell Grizzard
    Whyndell Grizzard Member Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭

    The 1.25" TOC is a start, but still can be adjusted- 1.25 allows you to optimal viewing of the resource- I don't need to see a 3" TOC.

  • David Paul
    David Paul Member Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭

    I know it only feels like my verbalized "issues" with Logos usually go unacknowledged, but as memory serves, I recall that there have been a few things I've asked for that did get addressed and resolved. I appreciate this statement of intent.

    I guess my biggest irritation is that trying to resize the TOC is so annoying. I often have move the cursor back and forth over the line more than a dozen times trying to get it to register that I have the ability to "grab" it, only to have the cursor lose that ability when I do actually click. The change of the cursor from "regular" to "resize" needs to be less challenging and more responsive.

    This greatly annoys me too. I've created a case to fix this problem.

    I've complained about this since L4. Yes, it is adjustable, but it is annoying that the program doesn't remember where the user has set it, and so it must be adjusted every time you have to open or reopen a window. How hard is it to get the program to remember the setting you pick?

    I've also created a case to get this fixed too.

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    I know it only feels like my verbalized "issues" with Logos usually go unacknowledged, but as memory serves, I recall that there have been a few things I've asked for that did get addressed and resolved. I appreciate this statement of intent.

    That's good to hear, David.

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  • Veli Voipio
    Veli Voipio Member, MVP Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭

    It would be nice to set the font size of the TOC independent from the content font size.

    I feel a small font for the TOC and large for the content would be ideal for me.

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  • Luuk Dondorp
    Luuk Dondorp Member Posts: 353 ✭✭

    It would be nice to set the font size of the TOC independent from the content font size.

    I feel a small font for the TOC and large for the content would be ideal for me.

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    I can not agree more. When I have set the font of the resource to a bigger size, the TOC follows with the same size. Which is better than it was: totally unadjustable. But now it is at times way to big because of the resources font. This is annoying me a lot.

    Please make it possible to adjust the font size from the TOC independently from adjusting the font size of the resource! 

    Luuk

     

  • David Paul
    David Paul Member Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭

    It would be nice to set the font size of the TOC independent from the content font size.

    I feel a small font for the TOC and large for the content would be ideal for me.

    Actually, this was one of my complaints about the TOC when L4 came out, and as I mentioned above, this was one of the things that FL (pre-FL) did make adjustments to. Sounds like this new version has reverted back to that original condition. I once again concur that fonts of TOC windows and contents windows should adjust independently. 

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