Collection rules for sorting commentaries (updated for Logos 9 Libraries)
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Mark Barnes said:
I had already added:
- The People's Bible
- Walk! Messianic Jewish Devotional Commentary
- Ancient Christian Writers
- Commentaries of Theodore of Mopsuestia
This means there is a problem with my collection of commentaries not covered ... thanks
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I noticed that this didn't tag automatically via the rules so I put it under Expository
https://www.bestcommentaries.com/book/3492/0310224586-genesis-a-commentary-bruce-k-waltke
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Mark Barnes said:
I had already added:
- The People's Bible
Ah, you added a different series that's name starts with rather than is in its entirety. https://www.logos.com/product/9330/the-peoples-bible-complete-set is the set I was referring to.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Hello.
I'm a member of the commentary collections group and see all of the expected documents except textual commentaries. Is there some reason this particular document is not showing up for me?Thanks!
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Hey Mark thanks for doing this but I have a problem with the "Historical Commentaries (1750-1950) ". On the old rule I show 1442 books, but with the new rule (the one for 7.15) I show 1188 books. Should this be expected?? Thanks Matt
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Mathew Haferkamp said:
Hey Mark thanks for doing this but I have a problem with the "Historical Commentaries (1750-1950) ". On the old rule I show 1442 books, but with the new rule (the one for 7.15) I show 1188 books. Should this be expected?? Thanks Matt
Possibly. The old rule used publication dates to try and add extra volumes in. However, this was very unreliable because the publication date used was often NOT the first publication date, so (for example), you might get lots of reprinted puritan and reformation-era works included. The new rule uses author names instead of dates, so there's far fewer errors, but it might miss a few as a consequence.
If you want to look into it further, create a new collection that pluses the "old rule" collection and minuses the "new rule" collection and scan through the list. If you get lots of resources that should be in the new rule, upload an excel export of this collection and I'll take a look.
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Thanks for the quick reply, your answer makes sense I'll check it out. Thanks again!!
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Hey Mark, been busy but I did what you suggested, quite an interesting way to do a collection. Their were a few odds and ends but I will list a few names connected to 9 or more volumes.
The Pulpit Commentary was authored by H.D.M. Spence (1836-1917) all 77 volumes
H. A. Ironside (1876–1951) 29 volumes from his collection
The Church Pulpit Commentary, all 12 volumes, Has a publishing date of 1908 by various authors: Thomas Arnold (1795-1842), Frederick Denison Maurice (1805-1872), John Burgon (1813-1888), and maybe more but these seem to be the main ones.
The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges 34 volumes many authors: J. R. Lumby (1881-1895) 3 vol., Thomas Perowne (1824-1913) 5 vol., Andrew B. Davidson (1831-1902) 3 vol,
The Expositor’s Bible, 6 volumes, various authors: Marcus Dods (1834-1909), G. A. Chadwick (1840–1923), William Robertson Nicoll (1851–1923), that is just a few
Now that was most of the ones that I think should be left in the Historical Commentary (1750-1950). With these examples I found 158 volumes. But most of the 140 volumes remaining should have been taken out. I hope this helps. Thanks again.
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I've now updated all the rules in the first post to include all the commentaries included in all the Logos 8 base packages.
- Ancient Christian Texts — Historical (Antiquity)
- The Biblical Illustrator — Historical Commentaries (1750-1950)
- Biblical Studies — Expository
- Come and See: Catholic Bible Study — Expository
- The Commentators’ Bible — Historical (Medieval)
- Fortress Commentary on the Bible — Intermediate
- JPS Study Bible Series — Special
- Kingdom Series — Expository
- A LifeGuide Bible Study — Study Guides
- The Open Your Bible Commentary — Expository
- Series Ministeria — Expository
- Seventh-day Adventist Commentary — Intermediate
- Smyth & Helwys Bible Commentary — Intermediate
- Wisdom Commentary Series — Expository
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Mark Barnes said:
I've now updated all the rules in the first post to include all the commentaries included in all the Logos 8 base packages.
Thanks Mark
Appreciate your work on this, Graham
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Thanks a lot Mark!
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Much appreciated Mark. Thanks for all your work on this.
Using adventure and community to challenge young people to continually say "yes" to God
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Yes, thanks indeed, Mark!
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Thank you, Mark!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Graham Criddle said:Mark Barnes said:
I've now updated all the rules in the first post to include all the commentaries included in all the Logos 8 base packages.
Thanks Mark
Appreciate your work on this
As do I. I can’t tell you how many times I have benefited from your work here. Thank you so much.
Myke Harbuck
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Thanks a lot. Much appreciated!
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I am unable to copy and paste the entirety of the massive Historical Commentaries (1750-1950) rules into the the collection. The beginning seems to be truncated. Odd?
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Thank you so much, Mark.
I noticed that you use MyTag. I assume that this means that unless I also tag resources the way you did, these collections have some limitations. Is this correct?
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Mark
The study guide rule isn't picking up the Life Guides for me... anyone else?
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Mark,
I notice you referring us to the first post in this thread which has been updated. My question: Have the collection rules in the Faithlife Community Group also been updated? In other words, do i want to use those from following the group and clicking on copy, or do i need to copy and paste from the first post in this thread?
John
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Mattillo said:
The study guide rule isn't picking up the Life Guides for me... anyone else?
I've noticed that many of these are tagged as Monograph which would explain what you are seeing (and I think is wrong)
Do you get results in Deuteronomy - which is tagged as a Bible Commentary?
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Armin said:
Thank you so much, Mark.
I noticed that you use MyTag. I assume that this means that unless I also tag resources the way you did, these collections have some limitations. Is this correct?
Commentaries not in a series are not included. I try to pick some of these up by author, but that’s not always possible.
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John Kaess said:
Mark,
I notice you referring us to the first post in this thread which has been updated. My question: Have the collection rules in the Faithlife Community Group also been updated? In other words, do i want to use those from following the group and clicking on copy, or do i need to copy and paste from the first post in this thread?
John
I’m not responsible for administering the Community Group. I think you should assume the group has NOT been updated until the administrator says they’ve done it.
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Graham Criddle said:Mattillo said:
The study guide rule isn't picking up the Life Guides for me... anyone else?
I've noticed that many of these are tagged as Monograph which would explain what you are seeing (and I think is wrong)
Do you get results in Deuteronomy - which is tagged as a Bible Commentary?
Yeah I noticed that too. Deut. Did not show up for me either but I don't think I have that volume. L8 gold. I fixed this by moving the mytag portion outside the commentary rule and then just tagged them manually
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Thank you Mark![Y]
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Myke Harbuck said:Graham Criddle said:Mark Barnes said:
I've now updated all the rules in the first post to include all the commentaries included in all the Logos 8 base packages.
Thanks Mark
Appreciate your work on this
As do I. I can’t tell you how many times I have benefited from your work here. Thank you so much.
Same. I have these collections set up in Passage Guide which I use all the time in preparing sermons. So useful! Thanks Mark.
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GaoLu said:
I am unable to copy and paste the entirety of the massive Historical Commentaries (1750-1950) rules into the the collection. The beginning seems to be truncated. Odd?
When editing the existing rule, press CTRL+A to select the whole rule, then paste the new rule in its place.
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It looks like shared collections can now be accessed from within Logos pretty easily through Docs/Public. And collections can fairly easily be shared/updated from documents.logos.com (preferably with unique prefix, eg "Barnes: Commentaries - Historical (Antiquity)"). Not sure how updating works for users or how much burden that might be to you compared to updating here. Not sure if it's practical or advantageous over what's already available or not...
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Randy W. Sims said:
It looks like shared collections can now be accessed from within Logos pretty easily through Docs/Public. And collections can fairly easily be shared/updated from documents.logos.com (preferably with unique prefix, eg "Barnes: Commentaries - Historical (Antiquity)"). Not sure how updating works for users or how much burden that might be to you compared to updating here. Not sure if it's practical or advantageous over what's already available or not...
Barnes: Commentaries - Historical (Reformation) I did notice the new sharing options, but wasn’t sure how easy they were to keep up to date. I’ll check them out.
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I've shared these collections publicly and added instructions into the first post:
If you are using Logos 8, you can easily add these collections to your own Logos installation. (1) Go to the Docs menu. (2) Click on Public. (3) Select "Resource Collections" under the type facet. (4) Click the spyglass and search for "barnes" in the filter. (5) When you see my name, click on it. (6) Click on the row of the first collection you're interested in (but don't click on it's name), then CTRL+click on the others (or CTRL+A to select them all). (7) Click on "Add to your docs".
An alternative method, which is simpler but a little slower, and is useful for those not using Logos 8, is to click on each of the links provided in the original post, and then click on "Get Copy".
If I update these collections in the future, Logos 8 users will see a notification in their docs menu which will allow you to easily update the collection to the new rules.
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I've added three more missing series:
- The Books of Kings (and several others by Cyril J. Barber) — Expository
- Commentary on the Gospels — Historical: 1750-1950
- A Commentary, Critical, Experimental, and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments: Commentary — Historical: 1750-1950
I'm interested in any feedback on those using the new shared copies of these collections. Does it work in Logos 7? Is updating them relatively painless?
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Mark Barnes said:
I've shared these collections publicly and added instructions into the first post:
Mark, this is great. Before I try it (download the new rules), do you know if it will overwrite the manually entered collections I already have, or will I need to go back and delete duplicates?
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JH said:
Mark, this is great. Before I try it (download the new rules), do you know if it will overwrite the manually entered collections I already have, or will I need to go back and delete duplicates?
If you download the new rules it won't overwrite what you already have (because these are new rules as far as Faithlife is concerned). If (later) you click the button to update the rule you have previously downloaded, then it will overwrite that rule.
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Mark Barnes said:
I've added three more missing series:
- The Books of Kings (and several others by Cyril J. Barber) — Expository
- Commentary on the Gospels — Historical: 1750-1950
- A Commentary, Critical, Experimental, and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments: Commentary — Historical: 1750-1950
I'm interested in any feedback on those using the new shared copies of these collections. Does it work in Logos 7? Is updating them relatively painless?
Your new rule for Barber only added the Kings and Judges volumes for me. It didn't pick up the Samuel volumes for some reason so I had to tag them manually
EDIT: I only own the Kings, Samuel and Judges volumes
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Mattillo said:
Your new rule for Barber only added the Kings and Judges volumes for me. It didn't pick up the Samuel volumes for some reason so I had to tag them manually
I noticed that earlier myself, but didn't have time to investigate the reason.
It's a Faithlife metadata bug. His Samuel books are in a series called "The Books of Samuel". However, there's another series with the same name, so Barber's Samuel books end up in the Historical Commentaries collection along with the books from the other Samuel series.
I'll see if I get get Kyle to rename one of the series and then update one of the rules accordingly.
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Mark Barnes said:GaoLu said:
I am unable to copy and paste the entirety of the massive Historical Commentaries (1750-1950) rules into the the collection. The beginning seems to be truncated. Odd?
When editing the existing rule, press CTRL+A to select the whole rule, then paste the new rule in its place.
Thanks, Mark. I realize now that the copy and paste was not actually truncated, but that the cursor behaves so erratically in the Rules field that the text appears truncated and the cursor will not move to the beginning of the pasted text. However, it does actually copy and paste correctly.
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[Y]Thanks Mark for your wonderful collections..
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Mark Barnes said:
It's a Faithlife metadata bug. His Samuel books are in a series called "The Books of Samuel". However, there's another series with the same name, so Barber's Samuel books end up in the Historical Commentaries collection along with the books from the other Samuel series.
This has now been fixed, and I've updated the commentary rules accordingly.
That should give L8 users who have previously added the collections to their account an opportunity to update the collections to the latest version. I'd be grateful to know whether this process works well as I'm not been able to test that myself.
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Mark Barnes said:
This has now been fixed, and I've updated the commentary rules accordingly.
That should give L8 users who have previously added the collections to their account an opportunity to update the collections to the latest version. I'd be grateful to know whether this process works well as I'm not been able to test that myself.
Thanks Mark
I've just updated the Expository Commentary collection from your post on the first page.
Barber's commentary on Samuel didn't show before but it does now.
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Graham Criddle said:
I've just updated the Expository Commentary collection from your post on the first page.
Thanks, Graham. Did you do that by copy/pasting the rule, or by updating from the documents menu? It's the latter process I'm particularly interested in. If that works well, it will stop L8 users having to copy/paste.
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Mark Barnes said:
Did you do that by copy/pasting the rule, or by updating from the documents menu? It's the latter process I'm particularly interested in. If that works well, it will stop L8 users having to copy/paste.
Sorry - I did it by copy / pasting the rule!
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Mark I did it by updating from the documents menu.
Everything worked fine as far as I can tell.
Thank you for sharing some of your genius with others. [:)]
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Mark Barnes said:
That should give L8 users who have previously added the collections to their account an opportunity to update the collections to the latest version. I'd be grateful to know whether this process works well as I'm not been able to test that myself.
Following the 7 step process above, correctly for me, shows only the 2 updates, as expected
- Expository - Today
- 1750 - Yesterday
Which can be added per step 7.
I don't see any other notifications in app of an update.
A few bugs found which I'll explore further in a bit. Notable one is, omitting step 3, I can't use filter to pull up your name, though your name is listed. Adding the type filter allows me to then filter your name.
The 7 step is the only way to see and get the update in Logos. Outside that, using the Get Copy links and updating from there works.
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Thank you Mark. I did the copy/paste as well because I have modified your rules a tad for some parts and I don't want them over-written
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Thanks Mark! You’re a life and time saver! 👍😁👌
DAL
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Thanks Mark, really appreciate all your work on this. It's a great benefit!
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Thanks Mark for all your hard work. It is truly appreciated.
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Hi Mark,
Amazing job. Many thanks. It saves the rest of us many, many hours of work.
I have one question: Based on the steps that I took to download these docs, it seems to imply that the docs become my documents. However, they don't show up when I go to "Docs" & "Yours". Is this intended? How can I find out which documents I downloaded?
Armin
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Another observation: Since adding your collections, I cannot find your name anymore in the author's list. [^o)]
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