I could use some help with Notes please
I have to admit that while I see the potential in the new notes tool, I'm a bit confused about it so I'm not really using it that much yet. I've checked out videos and read the forum, but something is not clicking in my brain. Let me start by asking some questions and maybe that will bring it all together. Perhaps part of my problem is that in the old note system, I had such a hard time finding my notes and found the entire note system so unintuitive (is that even a word?) that I really didn't use it that much.
1) If I understand correctly, all my highlights, clippings, quotes, and notes attached to resources are all under notes now. Is that correct?
2) Are visual filters considered notes now? I think the line between visual filters and notes have always been blurry for me. Anyway, I ask because every single inductive mark/symbol I've ever made is now listed under notes.
3) I don't understand Anchors. How are anchors different than tags?
4) I don't think I understand "data types." Mine says that every single note is "data type: Bible" when many of my notes are not from the Bible but commentaries and other resources.
Let me start there so I don't get overwhelmed and see what comes out of that. I think my issue is not so much HOW to use the new Notes (although I do have SOME questions there for later), but the filters in place on my current notes.
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Cynthia in Florida said:
I have to admit that while I see the potential in the new notes tool, I'm a bit confused about it so I'm not really using it that much yet. I've checked out videos and read the forum, but something is not clicking in my brain. Let me start by asking some questions and maybe that will bring it all together. Perhaps part of my problem is that in the old note system, I had such a hard time finding my notes that I really didn't use it that much.
1) If I understand correctly, all my highlights, clippings, quotes, and notes attached to resources are all under notes now. Is that correct?
2) Are visual filters considered notes now? I think the line between visual filters and notes have always been blurry for me. Anyway, I ask because every single inductive mark/symbol I've ever made is now listed under notes.
3) I don't understand Anchors. How are anchors different than tags?
4) I don't think I understand "data types." Mine says that every single note is "data type: Bible" when many of my notes are not from the Bible but commentaries and other resources.
Let me start there so I don't get overwhelmed and see what comes out of that. I think my issue is not so much HOW to use the new Notes (although I do have SOME questions there for later), but the filters in place on my current notes.
1. Currently the Notes Tool only includes notes and highlights. Clippings are still their own documents. Quotes are not currently supported.
2. Notes are not visual filters. Your notebooks become visual filters so you can turn those notes on or off in your resources.
3. Anchors attach the note to a reference or headword, etc, so it shows a note icon in your resources when viewing those headwords or references.
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Cynthia:
I feel much the same...
I was one of ones clamoring for a more robust Notes tool. Well, I got it... And, to me way overkill. It now seems so complicated, I don't know how very well to use it - so much so that I am now afraid to try to use it.
Anchor?
Data type?
Perhaps those involved in the beta testing / development came up with those terms (a guess - perhaps not true) and are so used to them that it is not a problem for them. But, to me, I am not sure I can utilize.
So, now the tool I wanted is a bit overwhelming.
I feel like I need to repent of such a desire.
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David Taylor Jr said:
1. Currently the Notes Tool only includes notes and highlights. Clippings are still their own documents. Quotes are not currently supported.
2. Notes are not visual filters. Your notebooks become visual filters so you can turn those notes on or off in your resources.
3. Anchors attach the note to a reference or headword, etc, so it shows a note icon in your resources when viewing those headwords or references.
Thanks for your response David. No fault of yours, but now I'm even more confused.
1) Okay, so if clippings are still their own documents, aside from keeping a bibliography for future use, what's the benefit of using clippings verses highlighting the resource?
2) I COMPLETELY don't understand "your notebooks BECOME visual filters so you can turn those notes on or off in your resources." Are you saying, then, that there is really no such thing as simply a "visual filter?" In other words, does EVERY visual filter start off as a note? You see my confusion? (Actually, I'm not even sure I understand my own question.) All I know is this just doesn't make sense to me, and as I said, the line between notes and visual filters has always been fuzzy. But now, if I understand what you are saying, is that my notes, under this new system, will become notebooks which become visual filters?!?
3) Anchors: How does what you said is the function of an anchor differ from highlighting it and attaching a note? Why would you need an anchor as well? Does an anchor only attach to a passage and the "tag" attach to the entire note?
4) Please explain Data-types as it pertains to notes.
Thanks so much for your help.
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Cynthia in Florida said:David Taylor Jr said:
1. Currently the Notes Tool only includes notes and highlights. Clippings are still their own documents. Quotes are not currently supported.
2. Notes are not visual filters. Your notebooks become visual filters so you can turn those notes on or off in your resources.
3. Anchors attach the note to a reference or headword, etc, so it shows a note icon in your resources when viewing those headwords or references.
Thanks for your response David. No fault of yours, but now I'm even more confused.
1) Okay, so if clippings are still their own documents, aside from keeping a bibliography for future use, what's the benefit of using clippings verses highlighting the resource?
2) I COMPLETELY don't understand "your notebooks BECOME visual filters so you can turn those notes on or off in your resources." Are you saying, then, that there is really no such thing as simply a "visual filter?" In other words, does EVERY visual filter start off as a note? You see my confusion? (Actually, I'm not even sure I understand my own question.) All I know is this just doesn't make sense to me, and as I said, the line between notes and visual filters has always been fuzzy. But now, if I understand what you are saying, is that my notes, under this new system, will become notebooks which become visual filters?!?
3) Anchors: How does what you said is the function of an anchor differ from highlighting it and attaching a note? Why would you need an anchor as well? Does an anchor only attach to a passage and the "tag" attach to the entire note?
4) Please explain Data-types as it pertains to notes.
Thanks so much for your help.
1. I might want to clip something but not necessarily highlight it. I can then add notes to the clipping as well and, like you said, it also gives me bibliographic exporting.
2. I think you might be over-thinking this. There are visual filters. They are their own separate thing. You can create visual filters to do special things to the text, hide things from the text, etc. The Notes Tool creates visual filters for each notebook so you can turn the note/highlight indicators on and off in a resource. For example, I can use a visual filter to replace the word LORD with YHWH inside the text when applicable. That has nothing to do with a note or the notes tool.
3. Example. I can create a note and anchor it to John 1:1 and Gen 1:1 and the note indicator will show up in both references. Highlighting does not accomplish this.
4. There is a list of datatypes somewhere and what they are, I'll have to track it down.
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Bill Cook said:
Cynthia:
I feel much the same...
I was one of ones clamoring for a more robust Notes tool. Well, I got it... And, to me way overkill. It now seems so complicated, I don't know how very well to use it - so much so that I am now afraid to try to use it.
Anchor?
Data type?
Perhaps those involved in the beta testing / development came up with those terms (a guess - perhaps not true) and are so used to them that it is not a problem for them. But, to me, I am not sure I can utilize.
So, now the tool I wanted is a bit overwhelming.
I feel like I need to repent of such a desire.
Feel free to jump in here and ask questions too. Maybe between the two of us asking questions and the great people here at the board, we can come to utilize this tool as intended!
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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David Taylor Jr said:
1. I might want to clip something but not necessarily highlight it. I can then add notes to the clipping as well and, like you said, it also gives me bibliographic exporting.
2. I think you might be over-thinking this. There are visual filters. They are their own separate thing. You can create visual filters to do special things to the text, hide things from the text, etc. The Notes Tool creates visual filters for each notebook so you can turn the note/highlight indicators on and off in a resource. For example, I can use a visual filter to replace the word LORD with YHWH inside the text when applicable. That has nothing to do with a note or the notes tool.
3. Example. I can create a note and anchor it to John 1:1 and Gen 1:1 and the note indicator will show up in both references. Highlighting does not accomplish this.
4. There is a list of datatypes somewhere and what they are, I'll have to track it down.
1. Okay, that makes sense to me. It seems to me, though, that clippings should be integrated with notes, since you can attach a note to clippings. So then, are notes from clippings under notes or under clippings?
2. I'm sorry, I'm still not understanding it. I see all my created Inductive Bible study markings, which FL put into notebooks. I use those symbols in my visual filters. However, if my notes BECOME visual filters, then I haven't been using visual filters, or notes for that matter, properly. I don't know...I'm all confused here. Maybe I need to go watch ANOTHER video on this.
3. Okay, so then coming back to my original question. So then is an anchor only used for Bible references within the note and a tag is used for the entire note?
4. Thanks. Also, is a datatype something Logos sets within the program or is it user controlled at all?
Maybe Logos could consider a pop-up next to each of these headings that explains what they are and why you would use them.
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Cynthia in Florida said:David Taylor Jr said:
1. I might want to clip something but not necessarily highlight it. I can then add notes to the clipping as well and, like you said, it also gives me bibliographic exporting.
2. I think you might be over-thinking this. There are visual filters. They are their own separate thing. You can create visual filters to do special things to the text, hide things from the text, etc. The Notes Tool creates visual filters for each notebook so you can turn the note/highlight indicators on and off in a resource. For example, I can use a visual filter to replace the word LORD with YHWH inside the text when applicable. That has nothing to do with a note or the notes tool.
3. Example. I can create a note and anchor it to John 1:1 and Gen 1:1 and the note indicator will show up in both references. Highlighting does not accomplish this.
4. There is a list of datatypes somewhere and what they are, I'll have to track it down.
1. Okay, that makes sense to me. It seems to me, though, that clippings should be integrated with notes, since you can attach a note to clippings. So then, are notes from clippings under notes or under clippings?
2. I'm sorry, I'm still not understanding it. I see all my created Inductive Bible study markings, which FL put into notebooks. I use those symbols in my visual filters. However, if my notes BECOME visual filters, then I haven't been using visual filters, or notes for that matter, properly. I don't know...I'm all confused here. Maybe I need to go watch ANOTHER video on this.
3. Okay, so then coming back to my original question. So then is an anchor only used for Bible references within the note and a tag is used for the entire note?
4. Thanks. Also, is a datatype something Logos sets within the program or is it user controlled at all?
Maybe Logos could consider a pop-up next to each of these headings that explains what they are and why you would use them.
1. I believe there has been discussion about bringing Clippings together with Notes Tool but nothing announced as of yet.
2. Your notes do not become visual filters. NOTEBOOKS become visual filters. Notebooks in L8 = Note Documents in L7. Does that help clear that up? In other words, the only function of a notebook visual filter is to turn off/on notes that are contained within that notebook. No other purpose.
3. Anchors can be used for references, headwords, lemmas, biblical people/places/things, and more. A tag, like you said, is just something for you to use so you can pull tags from the filter facets.
4. Logos controls
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I don't know how up to date this is but here is a data type list https://wiki.logos.com/List_of_Datatypes#Date_datatypes
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1. Thanks
2. But notes go INSIDE a notebook. In other words, I make A SINGLE note on Ephesians. Then I make ANOTHER SINGLE note on Ephesians. Then I make ANOTHER single note on Ephesians. FL collected those notes from my L7 and put all those notes automatically into a notebook, right? Are you saying those are now, by default, a visual filter? Do all notebooks become visual filters?
3. So then are you saying that an anchor connects TWO (or MORE?) items together (Let's say I'm reading a passage, it speaks about Jesus being "The Word," I "anchor" John 1:1 to it and I anchor a picture of a Bible to it and I anchor the Greek word "logos" to it, etc., etc., and when I go to each of those anchors, they will all show the connection? Like my own personal "cross-referencing system?" If so, while that sounds neat, can you give me reasons why I would want to do that (which seams like it could be rather time consuming) instead of allowing Logos to bring those up for me in my guides (which they normally do anyway).
4. Got it.
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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David Taylor Jr said:
I don't know how up to date this is but here is a data type list https://wiki.logos.com/List_of_Datatypes#Date_datatypes
Thanks!
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Thank you, Cynthia, for starting this thread. I am praying for the questions and replies, including your positive persistence, and people helping you [and thus us].
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Cynthia in Florida said:
1. Thanks
2. But notes go INSIDE a notebook. In other words, I make A SINGLE note on Ephesians. Then I make ANOTHER SINGLE note on Ephesians. Then I make ANOTHER single note on Ephesians. FL collected those notes from my L7 and put all those notes automatically into a notebook, right? Are you saying those are now, by default, a visual filter? Do all notebooks become visual filters?
3. So then are you saying that an anchor connects TWO (or MORE?) items together (Let's say I'm reading a passage, it speaks about Jesus being "The Word," I "anchor" John 1:1 to it and I anchor a picture of a Bible to it and I anchor the Greek word "logos" to it, etc., etc., and when I go to each of those anchors, they will all show the connection? Like my own personal "cross-referencing system?" If so, while that sounds neat, can you give me reasons why I would want to do that (which seams like it could be rather time consuming) instead of allowing Logos to bring those up for me in my guides (which they normally do anyway).
4. Got it.
2. Yes, if you look in a resource and click on visual filters scroll down to notes and you will see a checkbox for each notebook you have in the Notes Tool. If it is checked, any applicable notes from that notebook will show their indicators in that resource. If you uncheck it the notes within that notebook will not have their indicators displayed in that resource.
3. Yes. The reason to do this would be to see your notes as you are browsing relevant resources. If I'm reading a dictionary, I might like to see if I have taken a note on a headword. I would not be able to see this visually without having anchored the note. Currently, unless I am mistaken, the Notes Tool does not show up in my content sections of guides. And yes. In John 1:1 I might be taking a note on the word logos and anchor it to the lemma, the reference, and to the Person Jesus Christ.
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David Taylor Jr said:
2. Yes, if you look in a resource and click on visual filters scroll down to notes and you will see a checkbox for each notebook you have in the Notes Tool. If it is checked, any applicable notes from that notebook will show their indicators in that resource. If you uncheck it the notes within that notebook will not have their indicators displayed in that resource.
2. Dave: When No Notebook is checked, I see my hilites…...Unchecked, I see No hilites. This seems opposite of what I would expect. Wassup??
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This may or may not be helpful, but here’s how I conceptualize the new notes system.
Each individual note is analogous to a separate sheet of paper. Each new note is like grabbing a new sheet of paper from a blank stack.
Some notes you may like to be loose pieces of papers on your desk, and others you may want to combine into a three-ring binder (i.e., a “notebook”). The end result being some loose papers, and numerous distinct binders (or notebooks) for various notes you take over the years.
After studying mark, it makes sense to create a notebook and call it “mark notes”.
Also, as I study and take notes on mark, I’ll want many of my individual notes to be “anchored” to a verse or verse range. This is analogous to scribbling notes in the margin of my favorite leather bound bible. If you anchor a note properly, that note will appear “anchored in the margin” of each and every bible translation at each specified verse/verse range (it will also appear “anchored” in the margin of your versified commentaries at that specified verse/verse range).
As you study mark, you come across an alleged contradiction between mark and another synoptic gospel, say, between mark and Luke. You make an “anchored note in the margin” of a specific verse in Mark, but you also want the *exact same anchored note in the margin* to appear in the “margin” next to the relevant parallel verse in Luke. So five years from now when you’re studying Luke, you have that 5-year old note from mark “anchored in the margin” of such and such a verse in Luke.
Now, tagging. As I study Mark, I make several notes that pertain to the “kingdom of god”, several on “discipleship” and several more on “faith”. I’ll tag my notes accordingly. A few months later I’m studying romans and naturally tag some of my individual pieces of paper (I.e., notes) as pertaining to “faith”. A year or so later, I want to locate every note I’ve ever taken that relates to “faith”. In a manual note taking system with sheets of paper (notes) and note binders (notebooks), I would flip through hundreds or thousands of notes and look for my little scribbles in the corner that say “hey this note was about faith”. Well, in Logos, I would open the notes tool, pop open the filter/notebook panel, and select the tag “faith” and, voila(!), there are all the notes I’ve ever taken that relate to the subject “faith”. Hence the utility of tagging notes.
Visual filters are, as I see them, just visual overlays that can be applied or removed from resources. Suppose several years from now, you’re reading through Mark again, and want to see all your notes from your mark study “anchored in the margin” of your bible. Then you’d go to visual filters and make sure your “Mark Notes” notebook is checked in the visual filters drop down. If, however, you’re just going through you “read through the Bible in a year” plan and don’t like the chaos of all your “anchored notes in the margins”, then turn the “mark Notes” notebook off in the visual filters drop down. It’s like making your margin notes in your paper bible suddenly invisible. wach notebook can be toggled on or off as a visual Filter. The notebook is not a visual filter, per device, but logos helpfully allows users to pick which notebook notes are visible in our resources.
That may or may not be helpful, and this was typed on my iPhone, so forgive errors.
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Not “per device” but “per se”. 😒
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Thank you, David and Karl, for your efforts here. I will read your messages again, and copy + paste them into Excel, to go over again.
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Oh Sweet Jesus! Okay...I'm getting somewhere now. It helps me IMMENSELY if you give me examples and instances of WHY. That's just how I'm wired. THANK YOU for YOUR persistence in helping me swim through this muddy water. I realize some of it I created in my own head from sheer ignorance, and some of it is just being new to this note system.
Okay, so before we move forward, let me make sure I completely understand a few things. Keep in mind I may be using the wrong terms but let me know where I'm right and where I'm wrong, and also keep in mind that I'm using these terms specifically in this context of notes.
1. Clippings...
where I take a portion of any resource and add it to a file, is NOT under notes, but under "docs." For instance, I have a clippings file that I created on Sept. 3 for my teaching on Ephesians. All the clippings that I added to that new clippings file entitled "Ephesians 4:1-6" and all the notes that I made under each of those clippings, and all the tags to each resource clipping (i.e., "quote" or "interpretation" or "application" or whatever else I tagged them) are all attached to that clipping file and are not at all to be found in my notes file (and again, that includes the notes that I made on those clippings).
2. & 4. Notes and highlights are THE two resource tools found under the notes tool (and, technically, also visual filters which are created from notebooks)
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The Notes tool displays my highlights count and my notes count under the first filter in the sidebar entitled type. I choose which I'm looking for from this first filter.
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When I attach a note to a specific resource,
...let's say a Bible verse in the NASB, Logos tags that resource, and that is my second filter option on my sidebar entitled resource. For instance, I currently have 729 notes connected to my NASB preferred Bible.
- If the resource that I attached my note to was a Bible verse/passage, Logos tags that specific book of the Bible and that's my third filter option on my sidebar entitled Bible Book.
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While the above notes are attached to a specific location in a specific resource, my fourth choice Data Type, on the filters sidebar is different.
A Data Type is a tagging system created by Logos (and not user defined or editable), that does not connect to a specific resource, but is, in my layman's terms, a category. For instance, in my example above, I attached a note to my NASB Bible and it gave me a count of 729 notes. But, under Data Type, Logos shows me a count for ALL my notes attached to ALL my Bibles. So when I look at Data Type: Bible, I see I have 950 notes, and when I click on it, Logos opens ALL notes I have created in ALL my Bibles, whether NASB or KJV or ESV, etc. So a data type is not to a specific resource but to a category of resources created by Logos. Another example of a data type (i.e., my buzz word "category") could be an author. If I highlight many of his resources, Logos uses pre-defined category heading for that author, and all the resources in which I have highlighted that author will be under this fourth filter option: Data Type. Honestly, I am super excited about this feature in notes, now that I know what it means and what it does.
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Tags and Anchors (5th and 8th filter option on the sidebar)
- A tag is your own personal "category system" that you create and attach to an ENTIRE note. For instance, if I write a note on John 1:1-5 and I am very interested in keeping track of all my notes where Jesus as the Word, I could create a tag called "Jesus as the Word" and all my notes that I make about Jesus being the Word could be tagged to that topic. I really see my created tag titles as more topic referenced rather than passage referenced, but that's me. I'm not sure if that's how it was meant to be.
- An anchor, on the other hand, is used almost like my own "cross-reference system" or "chain link system." If I'm reading a passage of Scripture, let's say John 1:1-5, I could add an anchor to verse 1 on a word, a few words, on the entire verse, etc., that "linked" to another resource regarding my chosen passage For instance, if I wanted to, I could add an anchor to "and the Word was God" with another passage of Scripture where Jesus is the Word of God. And/Or I could add an anchor to another resource that shows the Greek Lemma. And/Or, I could also add an anchor of a visual within my library. This would "link" those together and in the future, whenever I search for "anchors" on John 1:1, these would all be visible to me, and I would be able to see the linked notes that I created when browsing my resources. I would also be able to search those anchors within my notes anytime I looking for information on John 1:1.
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Notebooks: (Filter six in my sidebar)
- Okay, this is still a little fuzzy for me, from what I can tell, Notebooks serve two purposes: To create visual filters and to organize notes.
- First, in Logos 8, notebooks automatically become visual filters and are under the title "Notes and Highlights" in the visual filter drop-down from the resource I am in. These visual filters can be viewed in "action" in the resource I'm viewing or I can view them in the notes section under filter six in the sidebar. Where it's confusing is if I don't choose "highlight" or "note" FIRST under the side panel option: type when I'm looking at my notebooks because without doing so, all my highlighter pens and inductive Bible study markings/icons are in the same pane as my actual notes in the notebook column. Therefore, when in notes, it really is best to immediately click "notes" under the type option on the side bar so as to actually SEE my notebooks with NOTES and not my highlight filters. (Whew...I just have to say that's a bit messed up and should be addressed by Logos!)
- Secondly, now that I've chosen only "notes" under type, if I want to simply view notebooks that are created with actual NOTES in them, I could do that here. I can also create a new notebook.
- Reasons for creating a notebook include sharing my notes with others or collaborating on a project, organizing my notes in a particular order (since so far we can only organize them by date created or date modified), I want to control when my notes appear within a specific resource (done through the filters drop-down in the resource I'm currently in), or I want them to create notes that are automatically organized.
- Logos gives reasons why I should NOT put my notes in a notebook, and for the first time, I actually understand why I would NOT, specifically because I now understand all above. Reasons for NOT putting my individual notes into notebooks is because, on those notes that I place in a notebook,
- a. I would no longer be able to filter the note through type (which is how I got confused in the first place and why I said above that when going to this new notes tool, choose notes immediately under type so as to filter out highlights from everything else).
- b. I would no longer be able to see the resource filter.
- c. I would no longer be able to see the data type filter (which now that I understand what it is, I'm excited about using it!)
- d. I would no longer be able to see the Bible reference filter.
Okay, that's what I've got so far. Before I move on, please let me know where or if I've gone wrong.
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Karl Fritz said:
That may or may not be helpful, and this was typed on my iPhone, so forgive errors.
Karl! you typed that on an IPHONE? Wow! That's amazing. Thank you very much. Examples and visuals help immensely!
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Cynthia in Florida said:
1. Clippings...
where I take a portion of any resource and add it to a file, is NOT under notes, but under "docs." For instance, I have a clippings file that I created on Sept. 3 for my teaching on Ephesians. All the clippings that I added to that new clippings file entitled "Ephesians 4:1-6" and all the notes that I made under each of those clippings, and all the tags to each resource clipping (i.e., "quote" or "interpretation" or "application" or whatever else I tagged them) are all attached to that clipping file and are not at all to be found in my notes file (and again, that includes the notes that I made on those clippings).
Correct. At some time in the future, Clippings may be incorporated into Notes but what you state is correct currently.
Cynthia in Florida said:If the resource that I attached my note to was a Bible verse/passage, Logos tags that specific book of the Bible and that's my third filter option on my sidebar entitled Bible Book.
Yes - but the resource doesn't need to be a Bible. It needs to be a resource that has been built with Bible references. So, for example, if you have made a note in a Commentary against some analysis on a particular verse this may well create an entry in this filter.
So in the example below I have selected the biblical book of Genesis and, as you can see, some of the notes I have were made on the NAC commentary on that biblical book.
Cynthia in Florida said:A Data Type is a tagging system created by Logos (and not user defined or editable), that does not connect to a specific resource, but is, in my layman's terms, a category. For instance, in my example above, I attached a note to my NASB Bible and it gave me a count of 729 notes. But, under Data Type, Logos shows me a count for ALL my notes attached to ALL my Bibles (as in, it falls under that category: Bible, of which the NASB belongs). So when I look at Data Type: Bible, I see I have 950 notes, and when I click on it, Logos opens my notes on ALL notes I have created in ALL my Bibles, whether NASB or KJV or ESV, etc. So a data type is not to a specific resource but to a category of resources created by Logos. Another example of a category could be an author. If I highlight many of his resources, Logos uses pre-defined category heading for that author and all the resources in which I have highlighted that author will be under this fourth filter option: Data Type. Honestly, I am super excited about this feature in notes, now that I know what it means and what it does
Yes - there are some more details on datatypes at https://wiki.logos.com/List_of_Datatypes
Cynthia in Florida said:Okay, this is still a little fuzzy for me, from what I can tell, Notebooks serve two purposes: To create visual filters and to organize notes.
They are used to organise notes and can be used as visual filters - I wouldn't actually say they "create" visual filters (but that may be a distinction without a difference!). Phil wrote a helpful article on using notebooks at https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018492791 where he outlines four reasons for using notebooks. And I think you reference this in one of your further comments below.
Cynthia in Florida said:First, in Logos 8, notebooks automatically become visual filters and are under the title "Notes and Highlights" in the visual filter drop-down from the resource you are in.
Yes - and it's worth noting that there is also a visual filter entry for "No notebook" (those notes and highlights that are not in any notebook).
Cynthia in Florida said:Where it's confusing is if I don't choose "highlight" or "note" FIRST under the side panel option: type when I'm looking at my notebooks because without doing so, all my highlighter pens and inductive Bible study markings/icons are in the same pane as my actual notes in the notebook column. . Therefore, when in notes, it really is best to immediately click "notes" under the type option on the side bar so as to actually SEE my notebooks with NOTES and not my highlight filters. (Whew...I just have to say that's a bit messed up and should be addressed by Logos!)
Can you expand on why that is confusing please?
If you don't explicitly specify highlight or note then both are shown but that is what we might want. We have that option at that point to specify one or the other if we wish.
Cynthia in Florida said:- Reasons for NOT putting my individual notes into notebooks is because, on those notes that I place in a notebook,
- a. I would no longer be able to filter the note through type (which is how I got confused in the first place and why I said above that when going to this new notes tool, choose notes immediately under type so as to filter out highlights from everything else).
- b. I would no longer be able to see the resource filter.
- c. I would no longer be able to see the data type filter (which now that I understand what it is, I'm excited about using it!)
- d. I would no longer be able to see the Bible reference filter.
I'm not sure that is the point Phil is trying to make.
It isn't that - for example - if you do put a note into a Notebook you can no longer see the Bible reference filter or the resource filter. It is more that the need to use notebooks for these purposes has gone. For example, when using Logos 7 I used to put notes and highlights into a resource-specific notes document so I could easily locate all the notes and highlights I had made in that resource. Now with the "Resource" filter I can simply filter on those and so the need for using such a resource-specific notebook has gone away. Similarly there is no need to create a notebook for each book in the Bible as the filter gives that option.
Does that make sense?
Cynthia in Florida said:Okay, that's what I've got so far. Before I move on, please let me know where or if I've gone wrong.
Great summary - hope my comments were helpful and don't cause confusion!
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Graham Criddle said:Cynthia in Florida said:
If the resource that I attached my note to was a Bible verse/passage, Logos tags that specific book of the Bible and that's my third filter option on my sidebar entitled Bible Book.
Yes - but the resource doesn't need to be a Bible. It needs to be a resource that has been built with Bible references. So, for example, if you have made a note in a Commentary against some analysis on a particular verse this may well create an entry in this filter.
So in the example below I have selected the biblical book of Genesis and, as you can see, some of the notes I have were made on the NAC commentary on that biblical book.
Ahhh...good to know! Thanks!
Graham Criddle said:Cynthia in Florida said:Okay, this is still a little fuzzy for me, from what I can tell, Notebooks serve two purposes: To create visual filters and to organize notes.
They are used to organise notes and can be used as visual filters - I wouldn't actually say they "create" visual filters (but that may be a distinction without a difference!).
I'm a little bit confused here because I think that was what David said above. I could have misunderstood him. Can you explain the distinction for me?
Graham Criddle said:Cynthia in Florida said:Where it's confusing is if I don't choose "highlight" or "note" FIRST under the side panel option: type when I'm looking at my notebooks because without doing so, all my highlighter pens and inductive Bible study markings/icons are in the same pane as my actual notes in the notebook column. . Therefore, when in notes, it really is best to immediately click "notes" under the type option on the side bar so as to actually SEE my notebooks with NOTES and not my highlight filters. (Whew...I just have to say that's a bit messed up and should be addressed by Logos!)
Can you expand on why that is confusing please?
I think what is confusing is this. When you first open the notes tool, whether you want to write a note or search a note, the notes are mixed in with the highlights, so if you don't realize that highlights is PART OF the notes tool, (which I didn't), then you don't realize how important it is to make sure to choose whether you are searching a highlight or a note. For someone like me, who has all her inductive Bible study icons and highlights there, I couldn't understand what all my "filters" were doing there. I thought notes was notes...PERIOD. It confused me that highlights were there, so when searching for a note, it really is best to choose NOTES right off the bat. That way, when I get down to my notebooks (which have all my inductive Bible study visual filters there...and there are a lot!), all those icon filters are gone and I'm simply searching or viewing my notes. Clear as mud, right?!
Regarding Phil's point, thank you. That does make sense to me.
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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You know what I just thought? Maybe my problem is the lines are actually blurry between visual filters and highlights! Thoughts?
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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scooter said:
Thank you, Cynthia, for starting this thread. I am praying for the questions and replies, including your positive persistence, and people helping you [and thus us].
Thanks Scooter! I missed your response. I appreciate your prayer and hope my prompts in this thread help somehow. Feel free to chime in!
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Not impressed with the notes function. Word and One Note are working just fine, I'll stick with them.
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Feel free to chime in
I do not know enough about enough to ask questions. I have to play with new notes + read this thread. I engage in some certain amount of magical thinking, whereby I believe I can learn to swim by thinking about water, and so I ride as a caboose here.
I had reduced my highlighting to coloring 1 letter to rep the rest of the sentence. 3 syllables rep the para. Hence my notes will be impossible to sort.
Today, I started underlining whole sentences + para. And so, follow along here.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
Not impressed with the notes function. Word and One Note are working just fine, I'll stick with them.
If you don't mind me asking, then how do you connect them to your resources?
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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scooter said:Cynthia in Florida said:
Feel free to chime in
I do not know enough about enough to ask questions. I have to play with new notes + read this thread. I engage in some certain amount of magical thinking, whereby I believe I can learn to swim by thinking about water, and so I ride as a caboose here.
I had reduced my highlighting to coloring 1 letter to rep the rest of the sentence. 3 syllables rep the para. Hence my notes will be impossible to sort.
Today, I started underlining whole sentences + para. And so, follow along here.
Scooter: That's funny..."learn to swim by thinking about water." LOL
Well, I think something I'm learning here is that my notes, as I have them now, seem to need a major overhaul. However, I've decided NOT to focus on that and instead, make sure I get it right moving forward. We can always start today, right?!
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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I used to rely on Evernote myself (which I assume works very similarly to OneNote), but I think the new notes system is like having Evernote built into Logos. Before Logos 8, I never used the notes function because it didn't compare with the functionality of Evernote, but that has changed big time. Evernote is going to start collecting digital dust now.
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Cynthia in Florida said:Whyndell Grizzard said:
Not impressed with the notes function. Word and One Note are working just fine, I'll stick with them.
If you don't mind me asking, then how do you connect them to your resources?
using links created in Logos
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Well, I think something I'm learning here is that my notes, as I have them now, seem to need a major overhaul. However, I've decided NOT to focus on that and instead, make sure I get it right moving forward. We can always start today, right?!
Yeah, forward is the right way. To overhaul past notes doesn't move our knowing God forward. I checked: I have 160,000 of them. To overhaul them...well, no.
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Maybe my problem is the lines are actually blurry between visual filters and highlights! Thoughts?
Here's how I conceive of these tools...maybe it will help you-
Highlights (HL) and Visual Filters (VF) are both simply highlights.
HL are made by you, manually. VF are made by the machine according to a rule. You might write the rule, or a command you execute in Logos might write the rule. But once the rule runs, it simply makes highlights. And when you highlight something yourself, you can only highlight what you see. But a VF can highlight something according to what is hidden (called 'metadata').
(This is conceptual and not intended to describe how Logos handles the data in VF).
If this isn't helpful, just move along.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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