I could use some help with Notes please

I have to admit that while I see the potential in the new notes tool, I'm a bit confused about it so I'm not really using it that much yet. I've checked out videos and read the forum, but something is not clicking in my brain. Let me start by asking some questions and maybe that will bring it all together. Perhaps part of my problem is that in the old note system, I had such a hard time finding my notes and found the entire note system so unintuitive (is that even a word?) that I really didn't use it that much.

1) If I understand correctly, all my highlights, clippings, quotes, and notes attached to resources are all under notes now. Is that correct?

2) Are visual filters considered notes now? I think the line between visual filters and notes have always been blurry for me. Anyway, I ask because every single inductive mark/symbol I've ever made is now listed under notes.

3) I don't understand Anchors. How are anchors different than tags?

4) I don't think I understand "data types." Mine says that every single note is "data type: Bible" when many of my notes are not from the Bible but commentaries and other resources.

Let me start there so I don't get overwhelmed and see what comes out of that. I think my issue is not so much HOW to use the new Notes (although I do have SOME questions there for later), but the filters in place on my current notes.

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David Taylor, Jr.

I have to admit that while I see the potential in the new notes tool, I'm a bit confused about it so I'm not really using it that much yet. I've checked out videos and read the forum, but something is not clicking in my brain. Let me start by asking some questions and maybe that will bring it all together. Perhaps part of my problem is that in the old note system, I had such a hard time finding my notes that I really didn't use it that much.

1) If I understand correctly, all my highlights, clippings, quotes, and notes attached to resources are all under notes now. Is that correct?

2) Are visual filters considered notes now? I think the line between visual filters and notes have always been blurry for me. Anyway, I ask because every single inductive mark/symbol I've ever made is now listed under notes.

3) I don't understand Anchors. How are anchors different than tags?

4) I don't think I understand "data types." Mine says that every single note is "data type: Bible" when many of my notes are not from the Bible but commentaries and other resources.

Let me start there so I don't get overwhelmed and see what comes out of that. I think my issue is not so much HOW to use the new Notes (although I do have SOME questions there for later), but the filters in place on my current notes.

1. Currently the Notes Tool only includes notes and highlights. Clippings are still their own documents. Quotes are not currently supported.

2. Notes are not visual filters. Your notebooks become visual filters so you can turn those notes on or off in your resources.

3. Anchors attach the note to a reference or headword, etc, so it shows a note icon in your resources when viewing those headwords or references.

Bill Cook

Cynthia:

I feel much the same...

I was one of ones clamoring for a more robust Notes tool. Well, I got it... And, to me way overkill. It now seems so complicated, I don't know how very well to use it - so much so that I am now afraid to try to use it.

Anchor?

Data type?

Perhaps those involved in the beta testing / development came up with those terms (a guess - perhaps not true) and are so used to them that it is not a problem for them. But, to me, I am not sure I can utilize.

So, now the tool I wanted is a bit overwhelming.

I feel like I need to repent of such a desire.

Cynthia in Florida

1. Currently the Notes Tool only includes notes and highlights. Clippings are still their own documents. Quotes are not currently supported.

2. Notes are not visual filters. Your notebooks become visual filters so you can turn those notes on or off in your resources.

3. Anchors attach the note to a reference or headword, etc, so it shows a note icon in your resources when viewing those headwords or references.

Thanks for your response David. No fault of yours, but now I'm even more confused.

1) Okay, so if clippings are still their own documents, aside from keeping a bibliography for future use, what's the benefit of using clippings verses highlighting the resource?

2) I COMPLETELY don't understand "your notebooks BECOME visual filters so you can turn those notes on or off in your resources." Are you saying, then, that there is really no such thing as simply a "visual filter?" In other words, does EVERY visual filter start off as a note? You see my confusion? (Actually, I'm not even sure I understand my own question.) All I know is this just doesn't make sense to me, and as I said, the line between notes and visual filters has always been fuzzy. But now, if I understand what you are saying, is that my notes, under this new system, will become notebooks which become visual filters?!?

3) Anchors: How does what you said is the function of an anchor differ from highlighting it and attaching a note? Why would you need an anchor as well? Does an anchor only attach to a passage and the "tag" attach to the entire note?

4) Please explain Data-types as it pertains to notes.

Thanks so much for your help.

David Taylor, Jr.

1. Currently the Notes Tool only includes notes and highlights. Clippings are still their own documents. Quotes are not currently supported.

2. Notes are not visual filters. Your notebooks become visual filters so you can turn those notes on or off in your resources.

3. Anchors attach the note to a reference or headword, etc, so it shows a note icon in your resources when viewing those headwords or references.

Thanks for your response David. No fault of yours, but now I'm even more confused.

1) Okay, so if clippings are still their own documents, aside from keeping a bibliography for future use, what's the benefit of using clippings verses highlighting the resource?

2) I COMPLETELY don't understand "your notebooks BECOME visual filters so you can turn those notes on or off in your resources." Are you saying, then, that there is really no such thing as simply a "visual filter?" In other words, does EVERY visual filter start off as a note? You see my confusion? (Actually, I'm not even sure I understand my own question.) All I know is this just doesn't make sense to me, and as I said, the line between notes and visual filters has always been fuzzy. But now, if I understand what you are saying, is that my notes, under this new system, will become notebooks which become visual filters?!?

3) Anchors: How does what you said is the function of an anchor differ from highlighting it and attaching a note? Why would you need an anchor as well? Does an anchor only attach to a passage and the "tag" attach to the entire note?

4) Please explain Data-types as it pertains to notes.

Thanks so much for your help.

1. I might want to clip something but not necessarily highlight it. I can then add notes to the clipping as well and, like you said, it also gives me bibliographic exporting.

2. I think you might be over-thinking this. There are visual filters. They are their own separate thing. You can create visual filters to do special things to the text, hide things from the text, etc. The Notes Tool creates visual filters for each notebook so you can turn the note/highlight indicators on and off in a resource. For example, I can use a visual filter to replace the word LORD with YHWH inside the text when applicable. That has nothing to do with a note or the notes tool.

3. Example. I can create a note and anchor it to John 1:1 and Gen 1:1 and the note indicator will show up in both references. Highlighting does not accomplish this.

4. There is a list of datatypes somewhere and what they are, I'll have to track it down.

Cynthia in Florida

Cynthia:

I feel much the same...

I was one of ones clamoring for a more robust Notes tool. Well, I got it... And, to me way overkill. It now seems so complicated, I don't know how very well to use it - so much so that I am now afraid to try to use it.

Anchor?

Data type?

Perhaps those involved in the beta testing / development came up with those terms (a guess - perhaps not true) and are so used to them that it is not a problem for them. But, to me, I am not sure I can utilize.

So, now the tool I wanted is a bit overwhelming.

I feel like I need to repent of such a desire.

Feel free to jump in here and ask questions too. Maybe between the two of us asking questions and the great people here at the board, we can come to utilize this tool as intended!

Cynthia in Florida

1. I might want to clip something but not necessarily highlight it. I can then add notes to the clipping as well and, like you said, it also gives me bibliographic exporting.

2. I think you might be over-thinking this. There are visual filters. They are their own separate thing. You can create visual filters to do special things to the text, hide things from the text, etc. The Notes Tool creates visual filters for each notebook so you can turn the note/highlight indicators on and off in a resource. For example, I can use a visual filter to replace the word LORD with YHWH inside the text when applicable. That has nothing to do with a note or the notes tool.

3. Example. I can create a note and anchor it to John 1:1 and Gen 1:1 and the note indicator will show up in both references. Highlighting does not accomplish this.

4. There is a list of datatypes somewhere and what they are, I'll have to track it down.

1. Okay, that makes sense to me. It seems to me, though, that clippings should be integrated with notes, since you can attach a note to clippings. So then, are notes from clippings under notes or under clippings?

2. I'm sorry, I'm still not understanding it. I see all my created Inductive Bible study markings, which FL put into notebooks. I use those symbols in my visual filters. However, if my notes BECOME visual filters, then I haven't been using visual filters, or notes for that matter, properly. I don't know...I'm all confused here. Maybe I need to go watch ANOTHER video on this.

3. Okay, so then coming back to my original question. So then is an anchor only used for Bible references within the note and a tag is used for the entire note?

4. Thanks. Also, is a datatype something Logos sets within the program or is it user controlled at all?

Maybe Logos could consider a pop-up next to each of these headings that explains what they are and why you would use them.

OnDroad

I have to admit Bill, I agree with you. The new logos 8 notes default font is hard to read so I have been going through the multitude of fonts to get one like I had on Logos 7. The one font I liked seems to be missing from Logos 8. So I have found another that is ok, but how to change it to be my DEFAULT Font and Size? I don't know. Also the Spell check options that were Logos 7 are all but gone.

Karl Sarpalius

For those who know notes in 8, please keep writing to us. This is a good forum but I'm still struggling in a couple of areas as I see the good and the confusing aspect of Logos 8.

These are two of my areas of struggle:

1. When I write a new note I see how to tag and how to anchor, but still cannot see how to add it to a previously created notebook from Logos 7. Let's say I write some notes on sanctification and when it's finished I know how to tag it at the bottom using the same word and how to anchor it to a reference or selected portion of scripture in my Bible, but how am I able to simply put this note in my earlier created notebook on sanctification? I've somehow been able to once in awhile get my notes to a position where I can literally drag the new note to my formerly created notebook but don't know how to get there again. When I look at my notes by "date created" I'd think the new note I just created on sanctification would be at the top but it isn't. Instead it's the newest note of my already created notebook on sanctification. So I can't drag my new note to the old notebook. Please help.

2. Having created thousands of notes in earlier versions of Logos I'm concerned that they won't show up when I simply search my tags in Logs 8. If I didn't tag the notes in 7 but only placed them in that sanctification notebook, how will I find them in Logos 8 without going back and using the search notebooks window? I know that for now that window is the way to get to those notes but I think I've read something in the Logos support that says Logos is doing away with the 'notebook' concept. Am I correct?

Thanks for your help.

Rob Lambert

Please: a video series from Logos (for free): "Using the new Notes Feature for real Dumb Dummies"

PetahChristian

Hi Karl, welcome to the forums.

cannot see how to add it to a previously created notebook from Logos 7

At the top of the note, there are some dropdowns which let you change the note icon, highlight style, and notebook. Choosing a notebook from the Set Notebook dropdown will assign that note to that notebook.

Having created thousands of notes in earlier versions of Logos I'm concerned that they won't show up when I simply search my tags in Logs 8. If I didn't tag the notes in 7 but only placed them in that sanctification notebook, how will I find them in Logos 8 without going back and using the search notebooks window?

You can bulk-tag notes by selecting multiple notes (e.g., click on first note, then shift-click on last note), then applying a tag to all of them.

Karl Sarpalius

Please don't give up on me. I've attempted to use the drop down (as you suggested) and typing in the name of the notebook I want this note in, i.e. "sanctification." But when I then go, on the far left panel to my sanctification notebook (previously made in Logos 7) I do not see the new note I've attempted to add, nor do I see that it shows to now have 22 notes instead of the 21 made while using Logos 7. In addition (in the middle column) where I can view notes by 'date created' the new note does not appear there either. I'm still not doing something right. Here's a screen shot. As mentioned earlier in the process of learning the new way of using notes I was once able to somehow get a freshly made note into the center column of the three in the screen shot and was then able to drag it to the desired notebook on the left. But I don't know how I got that to happen. If I could, I'd just use that method but I can't get my newest note to appear in that center column as I use the dropdown of 'view by date created.'

PetahChristian

Please don't give up on me. I've attempted to use the drop down (as you suggested) and typing in the name of the notebook I want this note in, i.e. "sanctification." But when I then go, on the far left panel to my sanctification notebook (previously made in Logos 7) I do not see the new note I've attempted to add, nor do I see that it shows to now have 22 notes instead of the 21 made while using Logos 7.

Karl, I have not been able to reproduce that problem. When I assign a note to a notebook, the number of notes immediately increases by one (regardless of any filtering in effect).

What I would suggest is creating a new bug report thread, titled Bug:, followed by a description of this issue. You should also include log files, so a technician can track down the reason for this issue.

Here are instructions for Windows and Mac, in case you are unfamiliar with enabling logging and posting log files.

In addition (in the middle column) where I can view notes by 'date created' the new note does not appear there either.

Since the number of notes isn't changing, this second issue probably is related to the first issue. If we can get the notebook assignment issue figured out, that might resolve the note appearing in the middle column.

I notice that you are also filtering your notes by the "sanctification" tag, but the note you're moving isn't tagged with sanctification. That may be part of the issue (as your notebook contains 21 notes, but only 10 match the filter).

If you apply the tag to that note, does it now appear in the middle column? Alternately, if you remove that tag from the filter (by clicking the x to the left of it), does that make the note appear?

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

But when I then go, on the far left panel to my sanctification notebook (previously made in Logos 7) I do not see the new note I've attempted to add, nor do I see that it shows to now have 22 notes instead of the 21 made while using Logos 7.

Your screenshot shows that you're filtering by Tags: sanctification and Notebook: sanctification. My guess is that the note you just moved (to the sanctification notebook) isn't tagged sanctification, so it doesn't show up. Trying clearing the tag filter.