Dishonest Advertising $100 off Logos 8 upgrade + Free Logos 7 Fundamentals
Very disappointing misinformation, in fact there is no $100 off Logos 8, rather they assign a value of the gift as $100. I have this kind of dishonest approach to business in a Christian company. Add clear says $100 off the Logos 8 plus a Logos 7 fundamentals. Whatever happened to honoring prices when a mistake is made. Other business are forced to sell ar advertised prices. For example airlines. Just terrible, just keep wondering why I should make any more investment in your product.
Karen Coker
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KarenCoker said:
Very disappointing misinformation, in fact there is no $100 off Logos 8, rather they assign a value of the gift as $100.
I just anonymously checked the Logos 8 product pages and the prices are additionally discounted by $100 for new customers.
This $100 savings would only appear for a new customer. If someone browses the site as an existing customer, they won't see the price discounted by $100.
If your experience is different, would you please provide more details as to the $100 discount not appearing?
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Certainly wording is important and so is the fine print. I think things are fairly clear on the blog that it only applies to new customers - http://community.logos.com/forums/t/176841.aspx?PageIndex=1
Where did you read that you get $100 off a Logos 8 Upgrade?
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KarenCoker said:
Add clear says $100 off the Logos 8 plus a Logos 7 fundamentals.
That is a legitimate (and generous) offer. Clicking through the ad shows the "first-time Logos purchasers only" fine print.
I'm sorry that the extra $100 savings only applies to new customers, Karen.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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In the original post says that you are going to get a code for $100 in the new year:
- Already purchased Logos 8? Check your email over the next couple days. We’ll send you instructions for how your friend can claim their free copy of Logos 7 Fundamentals. And if that package was your first base package, you'll receive a promo code for $100 to use in the new year.
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Don't know about dishonest. But Logos, in classic fashion, demands you read the right communication. The forum post makes no mention of a new customer. Existing Logos: tough cookies. Try 2020.
And indeed my post demanding a minimum $1,000 credit is meaningless, but Kaleb nicely apologized (vs corrected me). Which I don't mind.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
The forum post makes no mention of a new customer.
Kaleb Cuevas said:Purchase a Logos package for the first time and you’ll get an additional $100 off.
What does "for the first time" mean to you?
Denise said:Existing Logos: tough cookies.
Not sure that's fair.
Existing customers get introductory pricing on Logos 8, plus an additional launch discount on our first Logos 8 upgrade. No one was complaining about savings for existing customers. We had/have our chance to save even more on our first upgrade.
I don't see a problem with new customers getting a chance this time of the year to save even more on their first purchase (especially considering that we all had an opportunity to get some promotional deal at the time of our first purchase).
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:Denise said:
The forum post makes no mention of a new customer.
Kaleb Cuevas said:Purchase a Logos package for the first time and you’ll get an additional $100 off.
What does "for the first time" mean to you?
Denise said:Existing Logos: tough cookies.
Not sure that's fair.
Existing customers get introductory pricing on Logos 8, plus an additional launch discount on our first Logos 8 upgrade. No one was complaining about savings for existing customers.
We had/have our chance to save even more on our first upgrade. Why shouldn't new customers should get a chance this time of the year to save even more on their first purchase?
Besides, we all had an opportunity (back when we made our first Logos package purchase) to get some promotional deal at the time. We should be thankful for what we had received, and be happy that new customers get to save, just as we had the chance to save.
Petah, I'm not complaining. As already stated, they need a cool $1,000 credit before I destroy my study environment.
'First time', I thought first L8 package. I didn't think about the package I bought in mid-2005 (the only other package I might have). Crazy me.
Tough cookies, as per crazy me ... see what the offer is in 2020.
But as per our discussion, I'm clueless as to what they actually meant (in the forum post). Maybe it's a first L8 package? Or, maybe not.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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- "Already purchased Logos 8? Check your email over the next couple days. We’ll send you instructions for how your friend can claim their free copy of Logos 7 Fundamentals. And if that package was your first base package, you'll receive a promo code for $100 to use in the new year."
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Offers come and go. Some are better than others. And I'd agree that some might not be a good deal, if they'd throw a wrench into how we're accustomed to working. Change can be problematic (especially if it's not better).
I don't think you're crazy. I think you have a lot to contribute, although it can be difficult for me to understand what you're talking about, mostly because you're intelligent, knowledgeable, and talk about things that I'm not familiar with.
P.S. I have a difficult time picturing you as clueless.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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FWIW, I found the advertising pretty clear and honest.
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mike said:
And if that package was your first base package, you'll receive a promo code for $100 to use in the new year.
If that was your first base package (ever).
First-time Logos purchasers save $100. What FL posted is that the savings will be retroactive.
If we're not a first-time Logos purchaser, we won't be getting a promo code for $100 to use in the new year.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Denise said:
I'm clueless as to what they actually meant (in the forum post).
I seriously doubt there's any dishonesty either, but I do think one thing is clear: FL's marketing folks can be loose cannons at times and at other times seem to outstrip the programmers by a few miles. That's an opinion from 10+ years of reading the ads.
In other words, good folks who sometimes write verbal checks the coders can't cash...
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PetahChristian said:mike said:
And if that package was your first base package, you'll receive a promo code for $100 to use in the new year.
If that was your first base package (ever).
First-time Logos purchasers save $100. What FL posted is that the savings will be retroactive.
If we're not a first-time Logos purchaser, we won't be getting a promo code for $100 to use in the new year.
Petah, please keep in mind, we're not arguing.
I guess my confusion is first time customer, or first time package purchaser, or first time L8 package purchaser. I think it's the 2nd one?
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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KarenCoker said:
Very disappointing misinformation, in fact there is no $100 off Logos 8, rather they assign a value of the gift as $100. I have this kind of dishonest approach to business in a Christian company. Add clear says $100 off the Logos 8 plus a Logos 7 fundamentals. Whatever happened to honoring prices when a mistake is made. Other business are forced to sell ar advertised prices. For example airlines. Just terrible, just keep wondering why I should make any more investment in your product
Karen CokerI got a direct $100 discount off my purchase like a coupon. If you already purchased a Logos 8 upgrade before the promotion you will get a code for $100 off a future purchase. I don't understand what the concern is. There don't appear to be any gimmicks or even fine print here.
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Just to clarify, mine did not click through to a new customers only message. The info I posted was what I was told when I called customer service when the promised discount did not appear in the cart. They did not promise any future coupons. The result is, as some said, existing customers, though luck.
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Denise said:
I guess my confusion is first time customer, or first time package purchaser, or first time L8 package purchaser. I think it's the 2nd one?
I think you’re right, and first time package purchaser would be the only incentive that makes financial sense for FL.
A first-time customer could have bought a resource for $0.99. A first-time L8 purchaser could have purchased a dynamically priced L8 package for $10. FL wouldn’t be sending them $100.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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On my Logos 7 home page, this ad has appeared. I clicked through and found no $100 saving. The parts I highlighted show a promise of an extra $100 discount (not a voucher) in return for an upgrade.
What am I missing?
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I don’t think it was dishonest. I do think it was confusing. When I first saw it, I thought I’d be receiving a coupon for next year because I purchased Verbum Silver 8. Following another thread on the subject, I eventually realized it was only for first time purchases of Logos/Verbum.
While a bit disappointed I won’t score free swag out of it, I understand that this was just a case of ambiguous phrasing
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David Wanat said:
I don’t think it was dishonest. I do think it was confusing.
I totally agree that it was NOT dishonest. I do not think Faithlife ever tries to be dishonest. Obviously, there is confusion resulting in this discussion.
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Michael Childs said:David Wanat said:
I don’t think it was dishonest. I do think it was confusing.
I totally agree that it was NOT dishonest. I do not think Faithlife ever tries to be dishonest. Obviously, there is confusion resulting in this discussion.
The message I received was not ambiguous or confusing. It was an offer of $100 off on top of the upgrade discount. However, there is a big difference between dishonest advertising and erroneous advertising. It was effective marketing because it made me reconsider my decision not to upgrade - just the marketer had not understood the nuances of the offer. An honest mistake.
When I contacted a sales rep, he was very good. He admitted they made a mistake, checked, and then offered me the $100 off anyway. This is another example of Logos treating a customer well when they made a mistake. Other companies would not have been as generous.
Credit where credit is due - thank you Faithlife!
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I got $100.00 off when I went to Logos 8. The discounts keep coming. I went on the Standard Platinum Library. Got email yesterday where I can get a friend Logos 7 Fundamental for free. Go Logos! I can't understand why people complain about Logos. They have always been good to me. I now have 7,048 resources. Each resource only cost $1.31. At that price Logos is not making no money, they can't. I see some of the books that I have in my Logos library go for $100.00 each on Amazon. $1.31 for a $100.00 book is a great discount. Plus it's digital. Hard cover books are thing of the past. Can you imagine how much shelf space would be need for 7,048 books. If a book takes up 1 inch then I could get 12 books per foot. 7,048/12=587 foot to hold the books. On a 12 foot wall with 8 shelves 12x8=96 books per wall. 7,048/96=73 walls. Need 73 - 12 foot walls to put 7,048 books on. Also Logos lets me pay off my books. Who else give $9,000.00 credit no questions asked. Thank God for Logos!
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Robert, totally agree with you. Logos is the bomb!! Digital is so much faster, searches all your books instantly, can't do that with 7,084 books. Thank you Logos!!! [Y]
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robert lineberry said:
Can you imagine how much shelf space would be need for 7,048 books. If a book takes up 1 inch then I could get 12 books per foot. 7,048/12=587 foot to hold the books. On a 12 foot wall with 8 shelves 12x8=96 books per wall. 7,048/96=73 walls.
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Granted, the wording is poor, but "When you upgrade to Logos 8"implies that this applies to a first-time purchase of L8. Sometimes we must remind ourselves that communication is not FL's strong suit. Sadly, they are not even mediocre in this area.
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Jack Caviness said:
Granted, the wording is poor, but "When you upgrade to Logos 8"implies that this applies to a first-time purchase of L8. Sometimes we must remind ourselves that communication is not FL's strong suit. Sadly, they are not even mediocre in this area.
Jack .. I'm L7. I haven't "upgraded to L8". Not trying to argue, etc. Illustrating.
After watching them for 13 years and 5 'upgrades', I don't think their habits are accidental. Accordance pulls it off. Bibleworks did. And even Olivetree inside a very secular corporation. I used the OPs title word at L4 in discussion with Bob. Haven't changed my mind.
But you may be right ... not mediocre means incompetent (for me).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
After watching them for 13 years and 5 'upgrades', I don't think their habits are accidental. Accordance pulls it off. Bibleworks did. And even Olivetree inside a very secular corporation.
On this point I agree with Denise... frightening thought for both of us I am sure [:O]... FL has tendencies to Ready... Shoot... Aim...aim...aim... with their marketing communications. They do eventually hit the target, just not always on the first try. Still love FL and their team though.
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Denise said:
But you may be right ... not mediocre means incompetent (for me)
[:P] I cannot disagree [^o)]
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John Fidel said:
FL has tendencies to Ready... Shoot... Aim...aim...aim...
Thanks John for the chuckle, that's exactly how I shoot at clay pigeons!
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robert lineberry said:
Can you imagine how much shelf space would be need for 7,048 books. If a book takes up 1 inch then I could get 12 books per foot. 7,048/12=587 foot to hold the books. On a 12 foot wall with 8 shelves 12x8=96 books per wall. 7,048/96=73 walls. Need 73 - 12 foot walls to put 7,048 books on.
[8-|] using your own math, you need 587 linear feet of shelving, you can fit 96 linear feet per wall, ergo you only a little more than 6 walls (587/96 = 6.114583) to accommodate your library. [8-|]
However I DO AGREE with you that digital library has a very practical benefit!
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You fared better than I did. When I contacted the sales rep I was told that the $100.00 was only for first-time buyers. And yes, he noted that the ad was not clear or complete. Congrats on getting the extra discount.
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