Delete books in the library actually, not hide
I have built and uploaded an incorrect version of personal books. I deleted the books in the personal books, However, I still see the books in my library. How do i actually delete the books in the library? Thus I can rebuild and upload the correct books. I tried to reinstall the logos, but the issue still exists. Please help and advise. Thanks a lot.
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Hi Chris - and welcome to the forums
Once they are uploaded I don't believe there is a delete option.
But "hide" effectively deletes them - why is that not sufficient?
Graham
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Chris Chan said:
Thus I can rebuild and upload the correct books.
Can you create the new book with the same name and thus overwrite the incorrect version?
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You can then edit the book and change its name.
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Hello Chris,
I have gone back and forth with Logos regarding this many times. I have tried everything. There is no way to delete uploaded personal books. You can only hide them.
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Gavin Murphy said:
There is no way to delete uploaded personal books. You can only hide them.
That is the same way it works with purchased resources. Apparently, once a book is uploaded, it is treated in the same way as other resources. Separate programming for Personal Books would be an unnecessary complication of the code. Hiding the book effectively deletes it.
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just want to see any completely "clean" option.
Thanks Graham.0 -
Yes. I can edit it,
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Thanks very much Gavin. it seems no way to delete it, but hide it.
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Chris Chan said:
Thanks very much Gavin. it seems no way to delete it, but hide it.
Wow, this is amazing (sorry, Chris). Was it Logos5 and 2011 maybe, where they brought back personal books, after they took them out of Logos4 in 2009. Then, people struggled to delete their personal books, since the coding didn't coordinate the obvious ....two ways to delete. After umpteen complaints about that, they then made it impossible to delete uploaded personal books .. when, maybe 2016? And now, we're headed for L9. and 2020?
I think it's neat, a user may have personal 'stuff' in their personal book, and Bellingham now owns it. I really ought to fix my bad humor.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
I think it's neat, a user may have personal 'stuff' in their personal book, and Bellingham now owns it. I really ought to fix my bad humor.
Er... ah... Essentially the question is one of whether or not the unique id of a resource, specifically a personal book resource, is reusable. FL decided, reasonably, that once a unique id is assigned it is assigned. Period. What is less common, is that the user may reuse that unique id however they wish (a) ignore it in hidden (b) convert to a blank resource and hide it (c) change the source file and metadata to use the id for a new resource. What FL owns is knowledge that the unique id has been assigned and cannot be reassigned - ever - ... sort of like social security numbers if there were never any glitches - you die, you still keep your SSN.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Denise said:
I think it's neat, a user may have personal 'stuff' in their personal book, and Bellingham now owns it. I really ought to fix my bad humor.
Er... ah... Essentially the question is one of whether or not the unique id of a resource, specifically a personal book resource, is reusable. FL decided, reasonably, that once a unique id is assigned it is assigned. Period. What is less common, is that the user may reuse that unique id however they wish (a) ignore it in hidden (b) convert to a blank resource and hide it (c) change the source file and metadata to use the id for a new resource. What FL owns is knowledge that the unique id has been assigned and cannot be reassigned - ever - ... sort of like social security numbers if there were never any glitches - you die, you still keep your SSN.
Ah, but the hapless erstwhile owner must remember the secret, or else ....
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
I think it's neat, a user may have personal 'stuff' in their personal book, and Bellingham now owns it. I really ought to fix my bad humor.
If a user has such secret personal stuff, why upload it to Bellingham? If you want to keep data secret, don't share it.
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Graham Criddle said:
Hi Chris - and welcome to the forums
Once they are uploaded I don't believe there is a delete option.
But "hide" effectively deletes them - why is that not sufficient?
Graham
Graham: I have tons of resources that I’ve had to hide. I mean A TON (other languages, Latin, etc., etc., that’s I’ll never use). That being said, my question is this. Does Logos have to index them even when they are hidden? I would think having hundreds (yes, hundreds!) resources that are hidden would be taxing on the program, when it would be so much better to just be able to delete them.
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Hi Cynthia
Cynthia in Florida said:Does Logos have to index them even when they are hidden? I would think having hundreds (yes, hundreds!) resources that are hidden would be taxing on the program, when it would be so much better to just be able to delete them.
Note 2 in the hiding books section in the wiki - https://wiki.logos.com/Hiding_Books - has:
"Whilst resources are removed from your library their entries remain in your Index. Use the command rebuild index to remove them, but it will take several hours to complete"
so to eliminate this, it may be worth rebuilding your index
Graham
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Jack Caviness said:Denise said:
I think it's neat, a user may have personal 'stuff' in their personal book, and Bellingham now owns it. I really ought to fix my bad humor.
If a user has such secret personal stuff, why upload it to Bellingham? If you want to keep data secret, don't share it.
Jack, you earned your star!
"Use Logos at your own risk."
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Graham Criddle said:
Hi Cynthia
Cynthia in Florida said:Does Logos have to index them even when they are hidden? I would think having hundreds (yes, hundreds!) resources that are hidden would be taxing on the program, when it would be so much better to just be able to delete them.
Note 2 in the hiding books section in the wiki - https://wiki.logos.com/Hiding_Books - has:
"Whilst resources are removed from your library their entries remain in your Index. Use the command rebuild index to remove them, but it will take several hours to complete"
so to eliminate this, it may be worth rebuilding your index
Graham
Thanks Graham: Okay, so if I put them in hide resources and then rebuild my index, even though they are still technically in my library, the are removed from indexing? Is that correct?
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Thanks Graham: Okay, so if I put them in hide resources and then rebuild my index, even though they are still technically in my library, the are removed from indexing? Is that correct?
They will not be visible in your library neither will they be on your hard drive and will not participate in indexing.
So they aren't actually "in your library" but they are still unlocked to your account - so if you want to reintroduce them to your library you can.
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Okay, so if I put them in hide resources and then rebuild my index, even though they are still technically in my library, the are removed from indexing? Is that correct?
No resource is indexed unless there is a new version. But resources that you have hidden, or resources that became unlicensed (Connect monthly preview resources) still take up space in the Index. Rebuilding the index will remove them, and you will have a smaller Index.
Hidden resources are still licensed, so they are "technically" still in your library (if it was a physical library, you might hide them behind the other books!). But unlicensed resources are totally removed from your library (the owner would re-possess the books that were on loan to you).
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Denise said:
Jack, you earned your star!
"Use Logos at your own risk."
Interesting take on what I wrote. Have you considered applying for a job at the New York Times or CNN? [:P]
Probably now need to beat myself with a wet noodle [:$]
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Dave Hooton said:
Rebuilding the index will remove them
Raises a question: Does the rebuild *necessarily* have to be initiated manually by the stated command? Or when Logos does its indexing when new resources are added, does this happen by default?
I ask because I obtained one of the classics libraries to get five or six items I wanted. The library came with those plus five or six hundred I didn't want, and I hid those, about seven years ago. So have these been part of the index all that time, or has the automatic re-indexing fixed the problem?
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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This seems like something a user should reasonably expect to be able to do with a personal book. It shouldn't require a different file format. All that the system needs to know is that it's a personal book rather than an official resource. Then the "license" could be removed and/or the id freed.
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Doc B said:Dave Hooton said:
Rebuilding the index will remove them
Raises a question: Does the rebuild *necessarily* have to be initiated manually by the stated command? Or when Logos does its indexing when new resources are added, does this happen by default?
I ask because I obtained one of the classics libraries to get five or six items I wanted. The library came with those plus five or six hundred I didn't want, and I hid those, about seven years ago. So have these been part of the index all that time, or has the automatic re-indexing fixed the problem?
Doc B, yes, the rebuild would have to be initiated manually, it does not happen by default.
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Doc B said:Dave Hooton said:
Rebuilding the index will remove them
Raises a question: Does the rebuild *necessarily* have to be initiated manually by the stated command? Or when Logos does its indexing when new resources are added, does this happen by default?
To add on what Joe confirmed: the automatic indexing when adding a new resource is two steps:
- indexing the new resource
- merging this index into the existing index of existing resources
The second part btw. is the one that takes the time and effort. But you see, the existing index is not thrown away or rebuild during those steps, new index information is only added.
If you rebuild the index manually, however, it will only build the index on the resources you currently have on your HD, thus exclude those you have hidden. For those who lost access to a large number of resources (such as a large trial), it may be helpful to use the command delete unlicensed resources prior to rebuilding the index (will in effect be like hiding all resources you don't have a license for)
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
If you rebuild the index manually, however, it will only build the index on the resources you currently have on your HD, thus exclude those you have hidden. For those who lost access to a large number of resources (such as a large trial), it may be helpful to use the command delete unlicensed resources prior to rebuilding the index (will in effect be like hiding all resources you don't have a license for)
Rebuilding the index will build the index on resources you currently have on your HD that you currently have a license for. Using the delete unlicensed resources command will have no effect on what resources will be included in the index. It's still useful for removing files that are no longer owned.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Thanks for the clarification.
Have joy in the Lord!
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i hid the books in the library, however i still see the hidden books when i create a new tab in the toolbar. How to hide these books too? please advise. thanks very much
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Chris Chan said:
i still see the hidden books when i create a new tab in the toolbar. How to hide these books too? please advise.
Please create a screenshot so that we can "see" what you are seeing.
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Did you rebuild your index?
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yes，delete the index files, refresh and rebuild
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