Knowing God by Packer

How is it that Logos has the audio rights and not the print rights to publish this? It has been 5 years since this released. Has it been forgotten? Does it reside in the same hands as those who bar our way from Barth's Romans and various journals? Who are these mean-spirited and soul-depriving lesser beings?

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GaoLu

Oh, but its true! Souls are being lost! Saints are left stunted!

We want Packer! We want Packer! We want Packer!

Well, I mean we want Knowing God by Packer.

Bill Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/944294#Comment_944294

It's crazy. It's what has led me to make a personal book of Knowing God as well as several books by D.M. Lloyd-Jones.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/944295#Comment_944295

It's crazy. It's what has led me to make a personal book of Knowing God as well as several books by D.M. Lloyd-Jones.

It was available at one point in time.

Carmen Gauvin-O'Donnell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/944345#Comment_944345

Sorry to be the cause of much envy. I have it! [H]

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/944353#Comment_944353

I wish they would bring it back here or in vyrso

Everett Headley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/944354#Comment_944354

Either of you two want to sell it?

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/944362#Comment_944362

Either of you two want to sell it?

I'd willingly give it to you for free ... if I had two licenses for the book.

It is a shame it's not currently available, I do hope that changes and those who wish to add this modern classic to their Logos Library have the opportunity to do so.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/944450#Comment_944450

BUMP

Please bring back! I'll take it in Logos Or FL ebooks

Everett Headley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/984325#Comment_984325

Don't hold your breath.

It seems major, pivotal, indispensable titles like this and Barth's are beyond Logos' reach.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/984362#Comment_984362

Bible study monthly this month features an article on Packer and his work to include this book. Top 5 out the magazine... Logos please bring this back

David Thomas

It still looks like finding an old E4 CD and asking Logos to unlock is the best chance of getting the ebook. - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/1219.aspx

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1024955#Comment_1024955

It still looks like finding an old E4 CD and asking Logos to unlock is the best chance of getting the ebook. - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/1219.aspx

I'd love to be the owner of one of those CDs. Somehow I missed picking up a copy of Knowing God when it was on sale in Logos. Not sure how that happened since I'm pretty vigilant about looking for books I want in my Logos library.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025010#Comment_1025010

Somehow I missed picking up a copy of Knowing God when it was on sale in Logos.

I don't believe it ever was, Bruce. If it was, I missed it, also. AFAIK it was only on one of the E4 discs.

David Thomas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025023#Comment_1025023

Somehow I missed picking up a copy of Knowing God when it was on sale in Logos.

I don't believe it ever was, Bruce. The E4 version was available which explains how some have it in Logos format. (I don't have it either, and would like to.)

I think I've narrowed down that it is the vol.3 of the E4 disc that contained the 20th anniversary edition of Knowing God. My google search came up empty for that disc on ebay, or amazon or any other used bookstore [:'(]

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025023#Comment_1025023

Somehow I missed picking up a copy of Knowing God when it was on sale in Logos.

I don't believe it ever was, Bruce. If it was, I missed it, also. AFAIK it was only on one of the E4 discs.

Well that makes sense then.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025024#Comment_1025024

I think I've narrowed down that it is the vol.3 of the E4 disc that contained the 20th anniversary edition of Knowing God.

That's a helpful piece of information. Probably a very rare critter in the marketplace today.

Matt Hamrick

I have 22 resources of Packer in my library and of those 22 one is indeed Knowing God - 20th Anniversary Edition. I am sorry, but I don't sale or give away the library that I have been building for 11 years.

Tony Walker

reading it now on my kindle. Bought it after reading the article on packer this month.

Maybe we’ll get it in logos. And a bonus that ‘send to kindle’ will also return.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025045#Comment_1025045

I have 22 resources of Packer in my library and of those 22 one is indeed Knowing God - 20th Anniversary Edition. I am sorry, but I don't sale or give away the library that I have been building for 11 years.

LOL 😂

Michael S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1024955#Comment_1024955

Ok, Im confused now. I have my old discs from 2.1, and based on what was said, I found disc E and put it in the computer. The names are kinda cryptic, so I am not sure what the name for Packer's work would be. Also, I did notice it has one named "Vines". I currently in my v7 library do not have Vines as a resource. So that makes me wonder, how many resources did I have with v2 and no longer have? What do I need to do here?

Thanks,

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025113#Comment_1025113

Ok, Im confused now. I have my old discs from 2.1, and based on what was said, I found disc E and put it in the computer. The names are kinda cryptic, so I am not sure what the name for Packer's work would be. Also, I did notice it has one named "Vines". I currently in my v7 library do not have Vines as a resource. So that makes me wonder, how many resources did I have with v2 and no longer have? What do I need to do here?

Thanks,

Call customer service and have the discs in hand and they will unlock whatever resources are available in them for you 👍😁👌

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025113#Comment_1025113

Ok, Im confused now. I have my old discs from 2.1, and based on what was said, I found disc E and put it in the computer. The names are kinda cryptic, so I am not sure what the name for Packer's work would be. Also, I did notice it has one named "Vines". I currently in my v7 library do not have Vines as a resource. So that makes me wonder, how many resources did I have with v2 and no longer have? What do I need to do here?

Thanks,

This resource is not on the install disks for 2.1. It is on a CD prepared by E4 (Ephesians 4 Group) that was sold separately for about 3 or 4 years. They provided "free" resources on their 1st CD and only charged handling and postage. They then release several other CD's at reasonable costs. The resources were keyed by volunteers and were not up to Logos quality. After Logos dropped them, they continued their sale of resources via QuickVerse (now WordSearch).

The URL was http://www.freebiblesoftware.com which no longer seems to work. They have a facebook presence as E4 Group.

I think Knowing God was on the 2nd or 3rd CD they made available.

Here is the support information from the resource:

LLS:42.100.6
2002-05-14T00:20:19Z
knowgod.lbxlls

I remember this resource being updated at some point by Logos so it is not the original E4 edition. That's what I recall regarding this great resource.

I hope this helps clarify and offer opportunity for those interested to follow up with the company. They are no longer licensed to sell Logos resources.

Michael S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025127#Comment_1025127

Call customer service and have the discs in hand and they will unlock whatever resources are available in them for you

So I chatted with Customer Service, and they explained that my discs (the Series X discs for 2.1) had resources on them that may not have been unlocked for me, as these predated the internet download function. So just because I have a resource on the disk does not mean it was purchased by me. According to my unlock code, I have all the resources now that I had then (Scholars Library (RA) March 2003). I did not see Knowing God on that disc anyway... but the names are kinda cryptic.

Thanks everyone.

Mike Childs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/944353#Comment_944353

Sorry to be the cause of much envy. I have it!

Me, too. I didn't realize it was no longer available. Guess I wasn't paying attention. I have the 20th Anniversary edition.

Bill Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025275#Comment_1025275

It is ironic that the most recent issue of Bible Study Magazine has a really great interview with J.I. Packer that talks about Knowing God and Faithlife doesn't even offer it for sale.[*-)]

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025298#Comment_1025298

It is ironic that the most recent issue of Bible Study Magazine has a really great interview with J.I. Packer that talks about Knowing God and Faithlife doesn't even offer it for sale.

[:(]

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025298#Comment_1025298

It is ironic that the most recent issue of Bible Study Magazine has a really great interview with J.I. Packer that talks about Knowing God and Faithlife doesn't even offer it for sale.

Ironic indeed!

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025322#Comment_1025322

BUMP... A Faithlife response would be great! Is it a contract issue, oversight, something else? Just curious at this point.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025889#Comment_1025889

BUMP... A Faithlife response would be great! Is it a contract issue, oversight, something else? Just curious at this point.

Didn’t they say on some other thread (a good while ago) that they lost the rights to sell it and that it was hard to get them back?

DAL

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1025944#Comment_1025944

BUMP... A Faithlife response would be great! Is it a contract issue, oversight, something else? Just curious at this point.

Didn’t they say on some other thread (a good while ago) that they lost the rights to sell it and that it was hard to get them back?

DAL

That I do not know sir

Paul Caneparo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1026022#Comment_1026022

The book doesn't seem to be offered by any of Faithlife's competitors either, so I suspect in this case there's a wider issue than just acquiring the licence.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1026074#Comment_1026074

The book doesn't seem to be offered by any of Faithlife's competitors either, so I suspect in this case there's a wider issue than just acquiring the licence.

Yep! I’ve checked with the others and nothing. The only thing I could find was a free PDF, which I put on my kindle and ibooks. That should do 👍😁👌

DAL

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1026076#Comment_1026076

Well that is disappointing but I still don't see why it can't be added to Faithlife ebooks. It seems it is available many places that way and is better than nothing.

https://www.ivpress.com/knowing-god-ebook

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1026074#Comment_1026074

The book doesn't seem to be offered by any of Faithlife's competitors either, so I suspect in this case there's a wider issue than just acquiring the licence.

I know Dr. Packer and have taken classes from him at Regent College. He is still living, in Vancouver, where I still live too. I don't see him often, as he's retired and rarely comes in to the college anymore, except for special events. But I know folks who do see him regularly. I could ask him via one of them whether he has given permission for that book to be digitized, and if not, would he be willing to? Maybe it's not up to him, but if it is, I would think he'd be amenable, since his other books have been. (I know sometimes some authors have a hang-up about letting their books be digitized, like Harper Lee and J.D. Salinger; but Packer, even though he never used a computer all his life -- he used a manual typewriter to write all his books -- doesn't seem fundamentally opposed to having his books digitized.)

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1026213#Comment_1026213

IVP has already made digital versions. See my above link

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1026220#Comment_1026220

This book is now available... Buy before it disappears!!!

https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/168883/knowing-god

Tony Walker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1027288#Comment_1027288

interesting

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1027288#Comment_1027288

This book is now available... Buy before it disappears!!!

https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/168883/knowing-god

.... if you can. It seems it's a victim of geo-restricted publishing (or selling) rights that have become a nuisance on eBooks.faithlife lately.

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1027306#Comment_1027306

.... if you can. It seems it's a victim of geo-restricted publishing (or selling) rights that have become a nuisance on eBooks.faithlife lately.

Sorry to hear that. I was able to buy it just now from Canada.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1027308#Comment_1027308

Thanks! I just bought it in Florida 👍😁👌

DAL

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1027308#Comment_1027308

There seems to be something wrong with the book cover.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1027320#Comment_1027320

Yes there is. I spoke with them and they know and are fixing it soon

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1027320#Comment_1027320

There seems to be something wrong with the book cover.

Yep, it doesn’t have one! I opened the book, hit book cover and it took me to “What People Are Saying About Knowing God...”

DAL

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1027325#Comment_1027325

Yes there is. I spoke with them and they know and are fixing it soon

[Y]

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1027288#Comment_1027288

This book is now available... Buy before it disappears!!!

https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/168883/knowing-god

Thank you! A sudden, unexplained, and unannounced bit of good news. Just purchased.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1027288#Comment_1027288

This book is now available... Buy before it disappears!!!

https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/168883/knowing-god

Woohoo! Thanks for the heads up.

.... if you can. It seems it's a victim of geo-restricted publishing (or selling) rights that have become a nuisance on eBooks.faithlife lately.

I was able to buy it in Canada. It's IVP, so not subject to the same geo-restrictions that were mentioned on another thread (HarperCollins books which includes Thomas Nelson and Zondervan). But maybe there are limitations on IVP in certain countries. Sorry to hear you were blocked from buying it. [:(]

Tony Walker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1027320#Comment_1027320

Anyone know if a fix for the book cover image will come soon?

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1050845#Comment_1050845

Anyone know if a fix for the book cover image will come soon?

I believe that this has already been fixed

Tony Walker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1050886#Comment_1050886

I bought it this week and it looks like this for me.

Joe McCune (Faithlife)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1050888#Comment_1050888

I bought it this week and it looks like this for me.

Tony- I am able to duplicate this problem. I have written up a case. Thank you for reporting this.