What are Ranked, By Resource, By Count?

I watched at the video of Logos 8 about search, but it did not show the following. So, I am asking anyone who answers. Thanks very much.

Using SEARCH, I saw Ranked, By Resource, By Count. Could anyone tell me what those 3 terms mean?

Is there search By Date (from recent to past dates of publication)?

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MJ. Smith

Ordering Search Results

Basic search results can be ordered in one of three ways:

• Ranked: Sorts search results in order of relevance.
• By Resource: Sorts search results alphabetically by title, then sequentially by chapter or article.
• By Count: Sorts search results according to the total number of occurrences in each resource (descending).
• Search results in both By Resource and By Count are expandable and collapsible by resource. Click a resource cover or title to expand/collapse.

Verbum Help (Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2018).

ranked is basically a density formula.

Kee Lau

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029411#Comment_1029411

What is the difference between density and raw count?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029416#Comment_1029416

raw count is a simple count of matches

density the the count of matches divided by the total number of words ...the actual formula is usually a bit more complex

Kee Lau

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029419#Comment_1029419

I suggested more than one time that there should be “By date” (from the newest date of publication of the article/book to the oldest). To be a real writer or scholar, the foremost thing is to see who recently has mentioned the content of the search, and then he/she can compare which mention is important or valuable. For Logos to add “By date”, it seems not difficult for them, since every article/book has its date.

Unfortunately, my suggestion has fallen to deaf ears. How do all you Logos-users see? Why don’t you think “By date” is very important?

Kee Lau

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029424#Comment_1029424

In addition, I would say that EVEN IF from the search I have got an article of good raw count and density, but it's publication date could be 200-300 years old. Why should I use it before I know some new contents though with the raw count and density not so good? This is why "By date" is very important.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029424#Comment_1029424

Why don’t you think “By date” is very important?

I suspect many of us do consider it important. But those of us who learned research skills before electronic formats have developed our own ways of paying attention to dates. We don't expect books and articles to be readily available by the date originally written. And we use date originally written as a "their research includes nothing after this date and uses no concepts not developed by this date".

You are always free to add the suggestion to user voice and encourage Logos/Verbum users to support it.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029424#Comment_1029424

it seems not difficult for them, since every article/book has its date.

Logos generally doesn't have original publication date and many of my resource lack even a publication date.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029424#Comment_1029424

I suggested more than one time that there should be “By date” (from the newest date of publication of the article/book to the oldest).

I agree that this is needed. The workaround solutions are cumbersome.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029430#Comment_1029430

it seems not difficult for them, since every article/book has its date.
Logos generally doesn't have original publication date and many of my resource lack even a publication date.

Well over 90% of my resources sort with a publication date in Library view. Now if only I knew how to run searches that limited results based on the publication date of resources in question.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029566#Comment_1029566

Now if only I knew how to run searches that limited results based on the publication date of resources in question.

Have you tried something like pubdate:> 1950

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029568#Comment_1029568

Now if only I knew how to run searches that limited results based on the publication date of resources in question.

Have you tried something like pubdate:> 1950

And now I know! Thanks, MJ.

EDIT: It works in Library view, but seemingly not in a standard Search.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029579#Comment_1029579

EDIT: It works in Library view, but seemingly not in a standard Search.

Correct. I believe, however, without testing that it works in Collections which allows you to use it, in effect, in a Search.

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029591#Comment_1029591

Use it in a search by entering the filter in the area where you select which books you want to search.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029608#Comment_1029608

Thanks Andrew ... sometimes I miss the obvious. I appreciate that you've got an eye on it.

Kee Lau

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029608#Comment_1029608

Does “pubdate:>1950” mean all publications later than 1950?

If so, if I want to search נֶפֶשׁ OR ψυχή in all journals with “pubdate:>1950”, how to do it? Could anyone show me step by step?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029789#Comment_1029789

Could anyone show me step by step?

For the publication date restriction, assuming a basic search not a Bible search ... but I'm not certain on the Greek and Hebrew outside Bibles:
1. Choose search type

2. Click to define collection to be search

3. Enter the date selection

4. Choose the collection offered below

5. Then enter your search terms as usual

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029789#Comment_1029789

Does “pubdate:>1950” mean all publications later than 1950?

If so, if I want to search נֶפֶשׁ OR ψυχή in all journals with “pubdate:>1950”, how to do it? Could anyone show me step by step?

Basically, any rule you can make up for defining a collection can be used in the Search In box. So you'd do it this way.

Kee Lau

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029802#Comment_1029802

I tried Rosie's method in the following screen shot, but many times it gave 0 results. (Does this mean such Logos search is faulty?)

I cannot follow MJ. Smith's method, for I am a baby. So, would MJ. Smith tell me the website for me to learn more before I follow your method?

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029815#Comment_1029815

Your screenshot seems to show that you are searching only BibSac Vol 165. You need to click the line that says xxx resources with...

If you want to use that regularly it may help to build a permanent collection with your rule and search that.

if you could post your search string (and even better: search aim!), people could run it and discuss ways of achieving the result.

Hope this helps

EDIT: Since such searches always are dependent of one's library, I ran part of your last example against my library, to see whether it returns zero just for the scarcity of hits. I got 8 for g:psyche in my 114 journal resources published this century

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029424#Comment_1029424

I suggested more than one time that there should be “By date” (from the newest date of publication of the article/book to the oldest). To be a real writer or scholar, the foremost thing is to see who recently has mentioned the content of the search, and then he/she can compare which mention is important or valuable. For Logos to add “By date”, it seems not difficult for them, since every article/book has its date.

Question: in order to make money with your book you need to say that those in the past were wrong and here in my book is where they went astray.

If, on the other hand, your book just states that those old timers really knew what they were talking about and got everything perfect with some examples showing how the new people are wrong and the old ones right. Your not going to sell many copies as everyone just needs to read the old books.

The books we should look at the ones that are correct in their analysis regardless of when they were written.

But too many think new is good / old is bad.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029821#Comment_1029821

But too many think new is good / old is bad.

The reverse is true also.

However, when it comes to scholarship, it is a different type of thinking that applies. There are ancient sources, historically significant sources, and current sources. There are also outdated sources. For instance, Bultmann's History of the Synoptic Tradition is an historically significant source which is still useful but is also quite outdated now in terms of its approach and arguments.

So, it is indeed essential for academic work to be able to sort through sources by historical periods or phases.

As regard the pubdate argument, it is of use but it is a filter, not a sorting method. One is not necessarily only interested in a specific historical period but might want to trace a topic across centuries or decades. I still believe that an actually method to sort by date is needed.

Lew Worthington

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029928#Comment_1029928

But too many think new is good / old is bad.

The reverse is true also.

Indeed. I certainly prefer new stuff by default for at least 4 reasons: (1) They are more likely to address modern concerns; (2) Our knowledge of language, anthropology, history, etc. has increased dramatically even over the last couple decades; (3) Newer works are more likely to utilize methods that benefit from this body of new knowledge; (4) New works can take advantage of the old works, but the reverse is not true.

Furthermore, it's often possible to understand an article's point of view (and other content) based on date alone, so such sorting would be quite handy.

Kee Lau

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1029816#Comment_1029816

Thanks to both NB.Mick and EDIT. Now I have the following results (I use >2000) (see screenshot below). It seems successful. So, I am happy and thankful. But I need something more.

My aim is to see what scholars have said about נֶפֶשׁ AND ψυχή. I use “OR” instead of “AND”, in order to know even נֶפֶשׁ OR ψυχή may appear in the search.

What more I need, as I earlier said, is the function of “By date”. But since “BY date” is not a function in the Logos Search, I can only go around it. So now I need someone to show me the search of נֶפֶשׁ OR ψυχή between every 3 years, from 2019 backwards. That is to say, 2016-2019, 2013-2015, 2000-2012, and so on. So just show me this one-more-step. (Or someone has more brilliant ways?) Thanks very much.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1030051#Comment_1030051

In your search, replace ">2000" with "2016-2019", etc.

Kee Lau

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1030288#Comment_1030288

Oh, it did not work.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1030304#Comment_1030304

being to lazy to learn the short forms, I use:

type:journal (pubdate:>2015 AND pubdate:<2020)

Kee Lau

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1030307#Comment_1030307

Excellent. It works! Thanks very much.

Kee Lau

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1030319#Comment_1030319

One more question. If I want to search any forms of נֶפֶשׁ (not just lemma) OR any forms of ψυχή (not just lemma) in type:journal (pubdate:>1990 AND pubdate:<1993), what should I type? Remember I want the “OR” between the Hebrew and Greek words.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1030322#Comment_1030322

I know the answer for Bibles that have morphological tagging but I was deliberately staying away from that on journals. I'd try this for the Greek before adding in the Hebrew:

(<Lemma = lbs/el/ψυχή>) AND (journal (pubdate:>2015 AND pubdate:<2020))

I'd also need to double check the rules on combining lists and logical operators ...

Kee Lau

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1030338#Comment_1030338

Thanks to MJ. Smith, I tried but no result (see screenshot). Anyway, thanks.

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