Bug? Unexpected Concordance tool counts before filtering by stem

PetahChristian
PetahChristian Member Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

I turned to the Concordance tool to see which Hebrew verbs occurred 100 or more times in the LHB.

(Apparently there are 125 of them. No issue so far.)

Scrolling down to the Stem facet, I assume that 79 of those 125 verbs have a Hifil form.

But when I additionally filter by stem, only 20 Hifil verbs occur 100 or more times.

What do the unfiltered stem numbers actually represent?

Logos 8.2 (8.2.0.0015) on macOS 10.14.3 (18D109)

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,774

    Were you intending on getting the counts in the Bible Text? If so, that should be your first filter.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • PetahChristian
    PetahChristian Member Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1035722#Comment_1035722

    If you mean the Count: 100 to ... part, it doesn't seem to show up in the Lemma > Part of Speech: Verb breadcrumbs.

    I tried entering the count first, before selecting a Part of Speech, but the results don't seem to change.

    Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,774
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1035726#Comment_1035726

    I can't match your numbers ... even though I used Bible Text as the first filter, my counts are higher than yours ...

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • PetahChristian
    PetahChristian Member Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1035728#Comment_1035728

    I didn't pick a field. Before any filters, mine shows 473,392 lemma results. I then filtered by Verb, and entered a Count of 100.

    Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,774
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1035729#Comment_1035729

    I've finally duplicated your results ... and remember vaguely a discussion on the counts with FL... I'll see if I can find it or recall the explanation.

    Edit: I haven't found the discussion yet, but I have noticed that on mouse over, the count displays an explanation of the count.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • PetahChristian
    PetahChristian Member Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1035730#Comment_1035730

    MJ. Smith said:

    I have noticed that on mouse over, the count displays an explanation of the count.

    Yes, lining up with the thought that 79 of those lemma have a Hifil stem.

    Only 20 of those Hifil stems occur 100 or more times.

    So the count filters what's on the right side, and the totals reflect what's on the right side, but the count is more of a meta-filter since (it doesn't show up in the breadcrumbs and) the totals don't reflect the count refinement.

    The totals aren't wrong, per se. It's more of a UX issue.

    Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,774
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1035820#Comment_1035820

    You've got it ... that it what I was trying to remember.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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