Please Stop Hijacking Threads

Fredc said:

I have noticed a number of threads are being hijacked

I do not post much, but I figure I probably hijacked a thread or two over the years.  I will think twice, post once on a new thread in the future.

While you may object to the tone I think the suggestion is a good one. As someone who has started threads that then move away from the topic (on this board and others) I liken it to have a face to face conversation with other people and having someone butt in and change the topic. It's not courteous. It's one thing if the conversation naturally progresses but typically it's a lot more jarring then that.

As to the amount of $ you've spent meaning you're entitled to do what you like in your treatment of others....really? is that what you truly think?

Was waiting on that one.....Logos is amazing and I love this place. It is also a business and runs on cash. It took a big hit today. So I objected to someone's tone and you kindly let me know the tone may be off but the suggestion is a good one. That is true. Now, IRONICALLY, you object to me saying I paid my dues in whatever manner I wish to express and will post like everyone else? Wondering if I would make such a huge investment in BIBLE software if I felt that way about others. And the last person you would ever use the word "entitled" with would be me. Enough said there. I wouldn't be here if I thought so little of others. I don't think anyone would. We all love the Lord so much. But we are nasty humans, lol. 1) I object to tone 2) you agree tone may be harsh but understand the suggestion is a good one 3) you object to my tone and instead of directing your objection at the tone and understanding that my concern might be founded, you ACTUALLY go ahead and attack me. So you accomplished what we all really didn't want to do....attack each other because we are believers. I had a posting disagreement with the initial poster. Now you have personally attacked me and I have a personal disagreement with you. You LITERALLY put words in my mouth via your own personal interpretation of my post. You sir, owe me an apology. You really do. 

Robert

Holy cow......I'm speechless. Hahahahaha.....

To your point though I do also like that this is generally a fairly amiable place to visit.  And sometimes we make errors in terms of where we post. That's different to intentionally not caring though. It sounds like you really don't think that

As weird as it sounds.....this is a safe place for me. I would dare say almost ALL of the people who visit here have a financial investment in their love for the Lord. Please don't take that wrong. I love it because these aren't people who say they love Him....their money is where their mouth is and they are true believers. That is a comfort to me to know that and that almost all the time I am participating in a place where everyone is REAL believer in JESUS. Again, not because of money - but in spite of money. People here would give their money AND their life for Him. There are not many places like this on the web. I think that's why the initial post hit me so wrong. So different than what I'm used to here. But I get it....a human posted it. And a human of the worst kind without the Lord responded...haha. Thank you for your kind response. I try to watch hijacking anything except my daughter's Cheezits.

Robert

Fredc said:

I have noticed a number of threads are being hijacked, often by the same users. These threads usually move so far away from the OP,, the title of the thread is meaningless.

If you want to start a discussion that falls within the forum guidelines, start your own thread. If it does not fall within the guidelines, take the discussion elsewhere.

I agree 110%, Fred.  I simply don't understand and certainly don't appreciate Robert's response.  In fact, I was rather stunned by it.  Since when does the money I've spent on Logos give me the right to hijack the thread started by another Logos user who has also spent money on Logos.  It's not only disrespectful to the original poster (which is bad enough by itself), but it is disrespectful of every Logos user who opens the link whether in an effort to help the OP or simply to follow the thread out of interest based on the thread title. 

Robert S Stramski said:

Lol.....gotta keep it fired up don't you!!!? Not only am I disrespectful for forming my own opinion, I'm disrespectful to the whole Logos community!! It's sad you even had to open the link and be exposed to such exchange on information and ideas! If you would have read the entire exchange, you would have seen the truth in the posts. It's a shame I had to read and address your not reading all of the posts (which is obvious) and your "hit and run". Way to go sticking up for one Christian brother over another. You read you learn.....you learn by reading. Shame on you for firing it all up again.

Robert

Read all the posts before responding.  That's my usual approach.  [:)]

It gets discouraging to open links based on the titles of the threads, only to find the threads have been hijacked and no longer correspond to the thread titles.  It can be a real time-waster, and as I move into the winter of my life, I find myself not wanting to waste a moment of it.

I believe all Fred was requesting is that we try to be courteous to the OP and considerate of other readers who take the time to open and read threads based on the thread titles.  I do believe that's the purpose of thread titles isn't it?  Not hijacking threads seems like a very basic courtesy that benefits all.

This will be my last post in this thread.  No hit-and-run motive here.  Just don't want to waste any more time posting on the topic. 

Hey everyone needs to just chill out.  What is the big deal if a conversation takes a turn??  It keeps it interesting, if you don't want to waste your time, read something else!!  I mean their are people who live to tell someone that they are not following the guidelines, hey get a life people!!

Let's all remember "Mike Binks." https://community.logos.com/forums/t/180041.aspx

First, why someone might hate thread being hijacked: if one follows a thread (by subscribing to email), they will be spammed by the hijacked topics. Especially if a thread is a decade old, dozens pages long, a lot of people is going to be spammed.

Now, why hijacking is unavoidable?

• Forum guidelines are too nice. I recently point out someone went off-topic on a thread about Linux version of Logos and got challenged by an MVP by claiming it is not welcoming. (Note that please don’t hijack this thread discussing if it is off-topic or welcoming [;)]. Links attached and judge yourself and whatever your conclusion is, don’t start the fire again.)

• Someone might mentioned something relevant to a thread, but there’s often a follow-up question not relevant to that thread. By replying, you make sure the original author (the “someone above”) is notified, but then it spams everyone.

• Forum here is linear, not a tree. In many other implementation of a forum on the net, a thread is a tree. i.e. a starts. b reply to a, c reply to b, d reply to a, then it’s a tree of

  • a
    • b
      • c
    • d

  then one can safely ignore the b-tree if that gets digressed by hiding it.

• One’s digression is another’s on-topic. There’s another challenge by another MVP on another thread about exposing trait, where a proposed solution is one that effectively exposing trait through DIY.

So it is mission impossible to stop any hijacking in its current forum. i.e. Logos forum is defective by design. (See first 3 bullets above.)

Proposed solutions: (Cherry-pick some of these or propose other solutions. Don’t argue. Another toxic thing in Logos forum is that people just like to argue, but let’s brainstorm. Bad ideas will sink, good ones rise. You don’t need to kill bad ones.)

• migrate Logos forum to Faithlife social network. For old posts, either fully migrate it to the new platform or make it read-only.
  • The reason is, Faithlife social network is designed to be a nice place (see the forum guidelines problem above.) And as a social network we totally accept digression.
• Implement a much more tightly controlled “forum” for technical discussions. How tight? Examples are GitHub issue tracker, Stack Exchange and friends. There’s no friendliness in discussion and everyone is just being “professional”. Off-topic? Close the issue/question, ban the user from speaking up in that issue/question, etc.
  • The reason is, you just can’t be nice and strict at the same time, look at the forum guidelines, hijacking is completely fine according to the guidelines. It only says keep the discussion focus on Logos…, not focus on the topic of a thread. So effectively what is asked in this thread is completely unenforcible, and can only cause confusion.

Kolen Cheung said:

Now, why hijacking is unavoidable?

That was amazing!! Well don't worry about me. I'm not gonna hijack, lojack, or watch Billy Jack ever again......I learned my lesson!

Robert