https://www.logos.com/product/47634/classic-hymnal-and-songbook-collection
This is fairly new on CP and ought to get out quickly given the broad appeal re: denominations ... so let's see a push towards production.
Nice thanks for mentioning it. Hope it gets into prepub quick.
God Bless you always forever!
James
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I've placed my bid.
Thanks for pointing this out, MJ. I love hymns!
I have my bid in.
I'd like to know more about how the music notation will look, and how many of those hymns actually have notation.
They're missing Mennonite hymns, but I'm a hymnal collector in RL, so of course I'm in on this.
What would be cool is if these were supplied with MIDI files, too. I don't see that it's mentioned, though. However, there are several programs that can convert; I wonder if any of them can run in batch mode.
This is closing Friday this week. Current price at $25. The $21 mark is looking very achievable. Even $17 is not entirely out of reach, but that might be wishful thinking...
Nobody knows about the musical notation piece of these as Logos resources? Are we bidding only on collections of hymn words?
Nobody knows about the musical notation piece of these as Logos resources?
The product information page seems to indicate that this resource is being handled differently than earlier hymnbook resources.
in the past the resource only had lyrics and midi files
Product description for this resource includes NOTATION, but no mention of MIDI
Sample pages of the individual resources in the collection reveals these are scans of old pages.
Thanks, David. I think you're right. I'll assume for now that the notation will be a graphic. But it doesn't matter; I've upped my bid to be included and if it doesn't meet expectations, then FL has a gracious return policy!
Thank you, Jan. And MJ for the earlier notice.
The volume Zion's Hymns, a Watts follow-up, caught my eye (vs the Hymns of Zion), and so I ended up checking in the older Dictionary of Hymnology. If interested, 2 pdfs, etc:
https://archive.org/details/imslp-dictionary-of-hymnology-julian-john (scroll down, for download choices)
I ended up checking in the older Dictionary of Hymnology. If interested, 2 pdfs, etc: https://archive.org/details/imslp-dictionary-of-hymnology-julian-john (scroll down, for download choices)
I ended up checking in the older Dictionary of Hymnology. If interested, 2 pdfs, etc:
I have the Dictionary of Hymnology in print. Ordered it used after taking a class on hymnology and finding it mentioned as the classic reference guide to hymns. It's great, though obviously very dated (it's from 1907). But I later bought it in Logos format when I saw it was available.
I forgot that I had this in Logos too. It will be interesting using it with these new resources.
Only four years but going for half my bid price.
I have the Dictionary of Hymnology in print. Ordered it used after taking a class on hymnology and finding it mentioned as the classic reference guide to hymns. It's great, though obviously very dated (it's from 1907). But I later bought it in Logos format when I saw it was available. I forgot that I had this in Logos too. It will be interesting using it with these new resources.
I hope it gets retagged to link to the music for hymns mentioned in it.
I am a mega hymn nerd. I am guessing there aren't a whole lot of churches that still sing hymns or people who study them, but it would be an area I'd love to see Faithlife expand into more, though I am guessing there wouldn't be any money in it so they probably won't/shouldn't. My go-to resources are the Cyber Hymnal and hymnary.org.
Another resource that Faithlife should consider getting is The Canterbury Dictionary of Hymnology which is "the public launch of the ‘impossible task’ – the replacement for the Dictionary of Hymnology produced by John Julian in 1892, with a supplement in 1907." It's a subscription-based resource, though, at £25/yr. So I'm not sure how they'd be able to pull that off.
I am a mega hymn nerd.
I've never heard anyone describe themselves that way. [:)]
I am a mega hymn nerd. I've never heard anyone describe themselves that way.
I've never heard anyone describe themselves that way.
I often describe myself as "a hymn guy" lost in a Praise and Worship World.
I am a mega hymn nerd. I've never heard anyone describe themselves that way. I often describe myself as "a hymn guy" lost in a Praise and Worship World.
To borrow a phrase from a friend of mine, hymns are my prayer language. I'm blessed to be part of a church that sings mostly hymns, from a hymnal, in glorious 4-part harmony, usually with piano accompaniment but occasionally a capella. I love the way good hymnals are indexed, not just by hymn title and author but also by Scripture reference and meter and tune name, and how you can sing hymns to different tunes as long as the meter matches. Many of the people in my church can sightread music, so we get to do a wide variety of hymns. We've actually sung every single hymn in our hymnal at one point or another. One of the other hymn nerds in the congregation keeps track of when we've sung which ones, and he led us once in a year or two of "sing through the hymnal" where we showed up 15 min early each Sunday and sang 4 or 5 hymns, going through from 1 to 658.
I am a mega hymn nerd. I've never heard anyone describe themselves that way. I often describe myself as "a hymn guy" lost in a Praise and Worship World. To borrow a phrase from a friend of mine, hymns are my prayer language. I'm blessed to be part of a church that sings mostly hymns, from a hymnal, in glorious 4-part harmony, usually with piano accompaniment but occasionally a capella. I love the way good hymnals are indexed, not just by hymn title and author but also by Scripture reference and meter and tune name, and how you can sing hymns to different tunes as long as the meter matches. Many of the people in my church can sightread music, so we get to do a wide variety of hymns. We've actually sung every single hymn in our hymnal at one point or another. One of the other hymn nerds in the congregation keeps track of when we've sung which ones, and he led us once in a year or two of "sing through the hymnal" where we showed up 15 min early each Sunday and sang 4 or 5 hymns, going through from 1 to 658.
I remember having a conservation with a elderly saint in the Church. I asked him why he preferred the hymns. His answer has stuck with me through the years. He said, the hymns helped me to know the theology of my Bible better.
When I teach Wesleyan Theology I always make this assignment mandatory. They have to take two Wesleyan hymns and find the quotes, allusions, or echoes of Scripture in each stanza.
Okay, now comes the big question. How many are interested in the old hymns and spiritual songs? I have a rather large collection that I had intended to convert into Logos format during retirement. But the Logos store for user documents never materialized so the plan got dropped. It was compounded by the lack of ability to tag current resources with the hymn data as we can sermons.
The collection is slanted towards psalmody, shaped-note, and denominational hymnals. Probably my rarest volume is a 19th century Northern Free Will Baptist hymnal.
From some story I read. The Hallelujah Lady, the one that often says Hallelujah instead of Amen, says that when you are up and 'worthy' get a hymnal. Then when the Devil tells you that you are not worthy to touch the Bible let alone read it, reach for that hymnal - it will bring you back to the Bible.
Okay, now comes the big question. How many are interested in the old hymns and spiritual songs?
Hmm ... I think that's a difficult issue. We travel, and end up in various churches with 'foreign' hymnals (for us). People seem to love their hymnals, and 'soldier on' with someone else's. I move my favorites out of Logos to my iPad for my autoharp. So, Logos is like a convenient repository.
Yes. I am interested. I hope your plan gets resurrected.
My brother in law was an old hymn super-nerd (nodding to Rosie) with a substantial collection of old hymnbooks of every stripe. His special interest was early American southern hymnody with no pinnacle higher than pentatonic scale, shape-note "Sacred Harp." He whetted my interest some, though I cannot attain to the bottom rung of his degree of fascination for the subject. Alas, he is gone now.
There is also something about the smell and feel of those cracked covers and crispy old brown pages that might be hard to replicate in Logos.
$21 USD has already been hit.
This is a pretty ecumenical collection.
Another hymn resource just showed up in prepub:
Hymns and Hymnody: Historical and Theological Introductions, Volume 1: From Asia Minor to Western Europe
I wondered where the other volumes are, but apparently there aren't any yet, even in print.
This is closing Friday this week. Current price at $25. The $21 mark is looking very achievable. Even $17 is not entirely out of reach, but that might be wishful thinking... $21 USD has already been hit.
But it will not go down to $17. $21 is still good. I would have paid $33.
Another hymn resource just showed up in prepub: Hymns and Hymnody: Historical and Theological Introductions, Volume 1: From Asia Minor to Western Europe
Thanks for the heads up Rosie... My pre-order is in
Thank you, Rosie! I'm in.
Another hymn resource just showed up in prepub: Hymns and Hymnody: Historical and Theological Introductions, Volume 1: From Asia Minor to Western Europe I wondered where the other volumes are, but apparently there aren't any yet, even in print.
Thanks for telling - preordered.
This thread made me reconsider my bid on the CP resource - upped it to not be left out - glad to see it now sits where my bid was all the time probably for some years
Hymns and Hymnody: Historical and Theological Introductions, Volume 2: From Catholic Europe to Protestant Europe is now available on Pre-Pub
https://www.logos.com/product/184077/hymns-and-hymnody-historical-and-theological-introductions-volume-2-from-catholic-europe-to-protestant-europe
