LINKING THE NASB WITH THE NKJV
Hi everyone:
I have a couple of issues that are driving me nuts.
I'm trying to switch from my preferred bible which is the nasb to the nkjv by transferring all my notes, highlights, etc. My nasb is loaded with over 4,000 notes, underlines, highlights, etc.
My two issues are as follows:
1) When I try to create a new note on my nkjv, the note appears on my nasb instead, but not on my nkjv even though I have completely cleared the visual filter on the nkjv.
2) If I link both translations with the visual filter, everything that I have on my nasb appears on the nkjv, which is exactly what I would like to have so that I don't have to start from the beginning. However, the original notes that I made on my nasb are repeated for the most part, twice, three or even four times in the nkjv wherever I have a note on my nasb. If I try to create a new note on my nkjv, not only it doesn't appear as a note inside the nkjv, but rather it appears several times on my nasb instead!
BY THE WAY, I created some time ago in Logos 7 a group of bibles which I called it "MY BIBLES." These links include the nkjv, the niv, the esv and some others. I noticed that the same issue I'm having includes these bibles. The problem may be there, but I don't know how to delete this "bible grouping."
Thanks in advance for your help,
Joseph
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Hi Joseph,
There are two relevant visual filters
1) 'Notes and Highlights'
2) 'Notes and Highlights (Corresponding)'
If you have a note that is anchored to a generic reference, Jn 1:1, then that will appear in any bible that has Visual Filter 1 selected including the correct notebook.
If you have a note that is anchored to a resource specific reference, Jn 1:1 NASB, then that will appear in the NASB if Visual Filter 1 is again selected with the correct notebook, but will only appear in the the NKJV if visual filter 2 is selected with the correct notebook in the NKJV, as it then shows for corresponding notes that are anchored to specific other bibles.
Does this help at all?
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Thanks Kevin for responding. All the visual filters are unchecked yet I still have the issue I mentioned in my original post.
As an example, I just created a new note on my esv for Jn 1:1, but it showed up on my nasb, while there is no icon note on my esv.
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Screenshots showing your menu would be instructive
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I have right now on my screen a highlighted verse from the nkjv. I created a note on verse 5 from the nkjv, but the note only appears on my nasb, not on the nkjv.
At the bottom of the note (on the nasb side), I read "corresponding annotation from the nkjv, yet all the links on the nkjv are off.
I don't know how to take a screenshot. Sorry.
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Are all the visual filters in the NASB off also? It is these filters that decide whether or not other bible notes show. It does not matter what filters you have applied to the NKJV, notes will appear in the NASB if the NASB filters are selected.
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I think I solved the problem. It had to do with my NASB visual filter.
My other issue is how do I copy all my notes and highlights from one bible (nasb) to another (nkjv) without seeing double, triple or quadruple notes on the nkjv.
What kind of filter has to be off?
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You can just use the corresponding notes visual filter and then you do not need to copy them. If you are showing more than one note icon you either have multiple anchors or multiple notes. I would suggest you click each note icon and see what it opens to.
If you have already created muliple notes in multiple bibles, then you could filter your notes by resource, and assigned every note for a specific bible into its own notebook, and then in the corresponding notes visual filter, just apply one filter for one specific resource.
Alternatively maybe now you are familiar with the corresponding notes feature, which only came out in 8.4, you could consolidate your notes into just one main bible, deleting all the other superflous notes from other bibles and use the corresponding notes feature on all the other bibles.
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Thank you Kevin. I did what you suggested. It's working now. [Y]
God bless!
Joseph
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Good stuff, glad all working now [:)]
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Thank for the information. Perhaps you can help. I called Logos to help me with a problem I'm having but they couldn't help me. We went through all the visual filters between the two translations. It also happens with my NIV, the ESV and other translation that I linked together while I had logos 7. I called them "MY BIBLES." If I knew how to delete that, it might help, but I'm not sure if it will.
I tried to move all my notes and visual filters from the nasb to the nkjv. The problem I have is that my notes from my nasb are being copied 2, 3 times into the njkv (instead of just one time). This is happening throughout my entire bible. I have over 26,000 notes which makes it impossible to correct them one by one.
On the other hand, If I delete one double note from the nkjv, it will automatically delete my original note from my nasb which I don't want that to happen.
Support couldn't help me because this is not an issue that has come in the past.
By the way, I took a picture of my page, but how do I paste here? I tried to use 'paste' but nothing happened???
Thanks,
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Nope, it didn't work. I called helpdesk, but they have no idea why this happens. Their suggestion was to go to the forums and ask around.
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Please note on the right (nkjv) by looking at verses 20 and 22 the times that one note from the nasb (on the left) has been copied.
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Joseph Luna said:
Their suggestion was to go to the forums and ask around
This irritates me a great deal. Unless you were in a rush, they should have taken the time to assist! They have the ability, with your permission, to "take over" your screen and help you. They should have done so.
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Joseph Luna said:
Please note on the right (nkjv) by looking at verses 20 and 22 the times that one note from the nasb (on the left) has been copied.
I see that the two bibles have a different amount of notes, but I am unsure what problem you are trying to point out. Part of the communication problem may be different nomenclature (i.e. the words you are using to describe the problem).
To be honest, I am not an expert in the new notes tool. However, I may be able to clear a few things up.
There are two primary means to create a note in a bible:
- By reference. If the note is "attached" to John 3:16, it will appear in ANY and ALL "versified" resources (i.e. bibles, commentaries). A note attached this way will always show up at the beginning of the verse.
- By selection. These kinds of notes are attached to a specific "selection." By definition, this means a specific resource. It means the paragraph, clause, word, or even single character/letter which was "selected" when creating the note. In ye olden days, this meant that a note of "selection" was visible ONLY in the single resource. Highlight notes were notes of "selection," consequently they were never visible in other translations. However, a few years ago FL added a new feature which allowed notes of selection to appear resources other than the original resource where the selection was made. This requires that both resources have owned reverse interlinears.
I am not sure how your notes were created. It seems that they were created "by selection." You <should> be able to turn on a visual filter to "see" the other notes in both resources.
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Is the problem that for example in verse 18 in the NASB, the note icon is just once at start of the verse, but in the NKJV it is repeating in the verse 3 times?
If so, can you do a screen shot of the actual note please Joseph?
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No, actually, they took the time to assist me by taking over my computer. My tech was very nice and took a long look at my issue, but after consulting with other associates, they made the decision that my problem doesn't have any reference to any other issues they have encountered so far, therefore, is not worth to take more time to look into it.
At least, that's the impression I've got.
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The screenshot below reveals that the open note on the left side appears 3 times on the right. These 3 round yellow icon notes are the exact copy of the original note that appears on the left side.
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Joseph Luna said:
The screenshot below reveals that the open note on the left side is an exact copy of the other two on the right hand.
No it doesn’t! It is clear that it is the same exact note, not a duplicate. FL should have explained that to you. It says “corresponding annotation from NASB95”. This means that the note is NOT in the other bible. There is no duplicate.
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I believe all my notes are chosen by "selection" (I have been highlighting a single verse or several verses at the same time before I make a personal note).These notes (over 26,000 of them) were originally meant to appear only on my nasb.
After so many years of reading and studying out of one translation (the nasb), I decided to broaden my expectations by choosing a new translation (the nkjv) to work with.
I decided to link both translations together through the visual filter (but when I did it, it also "grabbed" the niv, the esv, and some other major translations because at one time I had linked them together to facilitate my reading on other major translations).
Whenever I used one translation, it copied what I had on the other ones until decided to un-linked them all. I called this group of bibles, "MY BIBLES.".
I don't know how to delete the link that joins these translations. If I could delete the link, perhaps it would solve the problem, but with Logos 8, I don't know how to do it, (it was much easier with Logos 7).
Your opinion is greatly appreciated,
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There are 3 round yellow icons that appear on verse 19 on the right hand side. They are exactly alike if one hovers over them.
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Joseph Luna said:
I decided to link both translations together through the visual filter
You can't do this. When you make a note by selection, it is in ONLY the one translation... unless you turn on the corresponding notes & highlights filter. Doing so will show ALL "corresponding notes & highlights" from ALL other versified translations & commentaries.
Joseph Luna said:Whenever I used one translation, it copied what I had on the other ones
You will need to delete each of those if you don't want to see the duplicates.
Joseph Luna said:I don't know how to delete the link that joins these translations.
Again, it is "all or nothing."
Joseph Luna said:it was much easier with Logos 7
It is my understanding that this feature has not changed from L7 to L8.
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Me: it was much easier with Logos 7
You: It is my understanding that this feature has not changed from L7 to L8.Me: Like I said, I don't know how to do it.
By the way, I was just giving you an example of what I did. None of the translations remained linked for more than a few hours.
So to cut it short, what you are saying is that I can't link the nasb with the nkjv because it just doesn't work even though there is visual filter that it says it can?
Thank you my friend,
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Joseph Luna said:
what you are saying is that I can't link the nasb with the nkjv because it just doesn't work even though there is visual filter that it says it can?
I was wrong (see below), but I am still confused by your comments. More screenshots might be instructive about how you have set things up.
If you place your "by selection" notes/highlights into notebooks (named whatever you want, including the name of the translation), you can turn them on/off. Here is a screenshot of what you need to be looking for.
If the duplicate notes you created and DON'T want to see are in the SAME notebook as the ones you DO want to see, your only choice is to delete the duplicates. If you need help with that, we can troubleshoot that issue... but I want to keep on the single topic right now.
Can you give us a screenshot of this portion of your menu?
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Here is a portion of YOUR screenshot where you had said that there was a duplicate note.
Notice that the bottom of the popup box (which appears translucent in your screenshot) says "Corresponding annotation from NASB95." That tells you that the note is not "in" the other translation, but is only appearing because you have the "corresponding notes & highlights" feature turned on. I am unsure if the "NASB95" shown in your screenshot is derived from the translation or the notebook name you gave it.
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Which specific version are you running? I tried to figure out where the "NASB95" came from in your screenshot. On my installation it is clear to me that that line comes from the notebook... however, mine does not say "corresponding annotation." I wonder if that is a difference between Mac/WIndows.
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There is definitely something strange about the NASB anchor in that, it is specific to the NASB but has no text selected. This none selected text is then being applied 3 times in the KJV, looking with interlinear on in KJV it seems to show pattern, but I cannot work it out.
This is not easy to do from Windows desktop, how did you create the note?
Maybe you can move that note to a new notebook, and share that notebook with public?
Anyway I have to sleep, I am in UK, hopefully JT can resolve, or some others. Bit of a weird one.
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Kevin - Thanks for jumping back in. Question: Do you know how he has the note say "Corresponding annotation from NASB95"? (See my post above). I could not figure out how to get a note to say that on Mac and am wondering if there is a difference between Mac/PC.
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Hi yes JT, it is a note he has created specific to the NASB, his 2nd picture shows the note,and the anchor. It shows the 'Corresponding annotation from...' when corresponding notes visual filter is selected, as is in the KJV for him.
I think the actual problem is that for some reason that note in the NASB when applied as corresponding filter in the KJV is showing more than once in that verse. Looking in the KJV with the interlinear on, you can see it applies just after whereever there is a word in the english text that does not exist in the greek.
I just posted above you, it is weird that he has somehow created it with no text selected in the NASB....but that might be a conversion issue and how notes used to be anchored.
Anyway cheers, bit of weird one...hopefully this has not confused the issue. [Y]
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You are correct in what you said Kevin, although it is not the kjv but the nkjv (no biggie).
i appreciate people getting on the wagon. Perhaps someone may be able to solve this puzzle.
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You are absolutely correct JT. The notes I created in the nasb, I wanted to be copied to the nkjv through the visual filter (see below).
The issue as you know is that it did copy it into the nkjv through the "Notes and highlights corresponding", but it duplicated the notes sometimes even 4 times!
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JT: Below I have two screenshots which indicate a visual filter for both translations although I don't see the Exegetical Notes or the Illustrations boxes that it shows on your post (not on the search box either).
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I need to finish a couple projects here at home but wanted to respond real quick to three things:
- The “Exegetical Notes” and “Illustrations” boxes you see on my post are notebooks which I created... You will not have them unless you create them (and there is no reason for you to do so unless you want to put notes into notebooks with those names).
- It would be helpful for you to be more clear with what you mean by “copied.” You wrote: “The issue as you know is that it did copy it into the nkjv through the "Notes and highlights corresponding", but it duplicated the notes sometimes even 4 times! ” The use of the word “copy” or “copied” should not be used when talking about the ”corresponding“ feature. The notes are NOT copied from one translation to another. Rather, the note which is attached to one is SHOWN in the other (through the visual filter menu). Have you manually copied any notes?
- You have mentioned several times that notes have been duplicated, “even 4 times,” yet from your screenshots I haven’t seen even one duplicate note. Can you be explicit to point one out?
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JT, you are correct. I apologize for using the wrong wording. As for your question, I have no copied any notes.
The same notes taken from the NASB are showing 2, 3 or 4 times throughout the NKJV instead of just being one.
Please take a look at verse 16. You will notice that the NASB has one red note while the NKJV has 4 notes. All are exactly the same,
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Why do you think they are the same note? From the screenshots, they don’t appear to be! What happens when you delete one?
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Because I can see they are duplicates. Visually, you can compare the notes that are on one verse located on the left side with the notes that are on the parallel translation on the right and see the difference in the number of notes. As far as I'm concerned, I don't know why the notes that are shown are being duplicated 2, 3 or even 4 times. I have 26,000 plus notes on my NASB.
If I delete a particular note from the NKJV, all the "duplicates" disappear. With that, the original note on my NASB also disappears. In order to avoid that, I have to highlight my original note and use the "copy and paste" procedure to ensure I can recreate it again.
Now, if I recreate the deleted note on my NASB, the duplicates will show up again. But if I recreate my original note on the NKJV, it will remain as one note, but I will no longer have my original note on my NASB. I other words, I can't have both notes at the same time, (but I refer only to the ones that have been duplicated).
I think it is important to add that not all notes that are showing on my NKJV are being duplicated or triplicated.
This is too much work to do by hand. I'm really surprised that helpdesk will not take the time to investigate this issue and find out why it's happening.
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JT. I just tried something new. I clicked on my "notes and highlight corresponding" on my NASB without using the NKJV box of "notes and highlight corresponding", meaning, there is no link between these two translations
What happened is that it duplicated the notes to seven times on my NASB! Please look at verse four of the screenshot. These seven notes are identical. When I checked off the "notes and highlight corresponding" box, it went back to only one note.
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It is easier Joseph if you just embed the image in the forum, using the paperclip icon. Not everyone will have word, or will want to open it.
I have added your image for other to see.
Incidentally, there are 7 words in the nasb that are not in the greek in that verse, although verse 3 has 4 but not 4 extra notes, so maybe not related. Still, maybe could you please turn on your interlinear and then take a screen shot of the verse which will may show further details?
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Thanks, I will do it as you said and copy the screenshot to "paint" instead.
The note that I created is simply a personal observation of the verse of what I think it means. It has nothing to do with the Greek.
The screenshot of my duplicate notes is below,
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I was wondering why the corresponding duplicate notes in the NKJV appears specifcally where they do, eg in Mt4:4 why are there four note icons and some text, and then three note icons? Why at those positions? Viewing the interlinear may help.
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Joseph Luna said:
This is too much work to do by hand. I'm really surprised that helpdesk will not take the time to investigate this issue and find out why it's happening.
I agree! The good news, however, is that I now know what is going on and everything is working "as expected." The bad news, however, is that you experience what you are seeing. It will be easier to illustrate with highlights.
Users have wanted the ability for many years to have the highlights appear from one translation into another. Over the years I have tried to explain to them some of the challenges of doing so. It would be one thing if a highlight ALWAYS included the entire verse, but that is not how highlighting works. Highlights are notes of SELECTION. The selection is key!
When you move from one translation to another, things like word order fly out the window. Consider the following screenshots. The first is the "source" translation (where the note was taken).
The "one" note (brown highlighter) appears to be THREE notes in the second translation, although it is really just one single note. This is exactly what you are seeing, with the exception that you are not using highlighters but rather note indicators.
Moving forward, you have three options:
- Attach the notes to the reference instead.
- Attach the note to a single word. NOTE: This may not be foolproof. If you attach the note to a single word which becomes TWO (or more) words in another translation, you would have multiple note indicators again.
- Continue to make the notes as you have, with the results you see.
This is not a "bug" but rather a necessary limitation of the software.
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Joseph Luna said:
It has nothing to do with the Greek.
Ah, but it does.
The only way for Logos to know "where" to place the note indicator in a different translation is by using the underlying original language material.
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Kevin said:
why are there four note icons and some text, and then three note icons? Why at those positions? Viewing the interlinear may help.
Yes, but see my screenshots (posted after you did). The reason for the "duplicate" note indicators is a change in word order.
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Thanks JT, that all makes sense now. [Y]
Edit - except for example in the Matt4:4 screen shot there is no text selected in that anchor, also word order in English/Greek not that difference, and not matching note positions. Something deeper I think.
Joseph could you a multiview with the NASB95 and NKJV and interlinear showing?
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Kevin: Is this what you are looking for?
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Kevin said:
Edit - except for example in the Matt4:4 screen shot there is no text selected in that anchor, also word order in English/Greek not that difference, and not matching note positions.
I think there may be several issues here, but I have diagnosed one.
For a second issue, are you talking about this screen shot?
If so, I think there may actually be duplicate notes (which was NOT the case with the other problem).
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You are right JT, I can see the other NKJV notes in that list.
I did create a single note for my Mt4:4 NASB after selecting the full text, and showing corresponding notes in the NKJV, you can see in image below that the note does repeat. Interestingly there is a slight manuscript difference at that point, not sure if this is the reason for the repetition at that point?
Joesph no I think it is something sort of repeatable, although I cannot fully replicate your problem because I cannot create a NASB specific note without selecting some text.
Your 'Matthew 4:4 NASB' note in JT's post above does not have any text selected. I can only replicate this by choosing a blank space in the verse and adding a note, however that note will not appear as a corresponding note in other bibles, presumably because there is no greek selected, so I will have to assume your note somehow selects the whole verse without actually displaying the text in the anchor.
You can see in this image I have highlighted the text showing the selected area....your bible specific notes seem to not have this.
Did you create this particular note in the the old note system on Logos 7 or earlier? It may be that they used to anchor like that, I do not recall as had very little use of the old system. Not that I think this will help your current issue, I am just curious.
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Hi Kevin, just to clarify, are you aware that these note duplications are found all over the nkjv when I use the corresponding notes? Sometimes they are duplicated once or more than once, but I don't know why. I can find the duplicates at random if I look for them.
As to your question, most of my created notes are old. They were made in Logos 7 or before.
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I would be polite, but call FL back and make them spend the time to help you. If they don't let me know and I will raise some cane.
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I will. Thank you, [Y]
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