Feature Request: Keep "temporary" licenses in cloud
I have never wanted to download "temporary" licensed material, especially the preview FC resources. Now that we have cloud resources, can we finally have the option to abstain from downloading these?
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We can, of course, turn off "automatically download new resources," but I agree it would be nice to be able to make this distinction.
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Reuben Helmuth said:
We can, of course, turn off "automatically download new resources,"
But that would keep resources I actually want in the cloud.
I agree with JT—I don't want temporary resources clogging my library.
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+1 [Y] for default location of "temporary" preview resources being in the cloud.
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JT (alabama24) said:
I have never wanted to download "temporary" licensed material, especially the preview FC resources.
Hmmm. So you download Logos 8 Basic and don't want the temporary books? You also don't want the 100 or so temporary books in Faithlife Connect? But you likely want to use the temporary datasets!
I can agree about the monthly preview FC books, including those from Verbum Now. But is it worth an extra Setting? Just change the "Download New" setting at the beginning of the month and don't purchase any books for a few days!!
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
So you download Logos 8 Basic and don't want the temporary books?
True.
Dave Hooton said:You also don't want the 100 or so temporary books in Faithlife Connect?
True.
Dave Hooton said:But you likely want to use the temporary datasets!
Also true. I would not see the datasets in the same category. Furthermore, if there were any of the books above I did want downloaded, I could choose to download it at will.
Dave Hooton said:But is it worth an extra Setting?
Yep.
Dave Hooton said:Just change the "Download New" setting at the beginning of the month and don't purchase any books for a few days!!
Forcing users to contort themselves is not good design.
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I agree with Dave.
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John Fidel said:
I agree with Dave.
well then dont flip the switch! I dont want books I dont want and didn't buy to download and waste my bandwidth.
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Dave Hooton said:
is it worth an extra Setting?
I think I'm with Dave here. An extra setting is a lot of effort for a negligible issue. It will confuse users - and to really work well would need to differentiate between "permanently given temporary" and "temporarily given temporary" licenses, which isn't possible at the moment. The number of monthly preview resources is very limited - and it is most probable that they don't take up a large portion of scarce HD space.
Users with very strong space constraints should be encouraged to set Download New to No.
Others who just don't like to see any or some of the preview resources at all would be better advised to filter the library for license:temp, mark those they don't want to have and either hide them or switch the "downloaded" to "remove from device". That's very easy and would need to happen once a month only.
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NB.Mick said:
It will confuse users
No more than they already have! Once you have let the cat out of the bag with cloud resources, you might as well do this. Users who are dependent upon the L8 Basic resources aren't the target audience here.
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JT, we have to agree to disagree. While I understand your point, I don't think most users will even understand the implications of the option. Especially if it is defaulted to store in the cloud. FL Connect provides lots of very valuable temporary resources other than the monthly previews. Osborne Verse by Verse commentary is an example and other Lexham resources. But if FL chooses to make this an option, I can live with it.
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John Fidel said:
FL Connect provides lots of very valuable temporary resources other than the monthly previews. Osborne Verse by Verse commentary is an example and other Lexham resources.
I'm with John on this assessment of 'semi-permanent' temporary resources. (Lexham and Osborne were the exact resources I had in mind when I read the other Dave's interaction with JT.
I also admit that other users may not find the same value in these resources that I do. I realize that Faithlife has already provided an option to Hide unwanted resources and has provided a toggle to download new resources or not. I'm not opposed to a toggle somewhere that allows Temporary Resources to be kept on the cloud for those who find no value in these resources. If bandwidth is the issue would it make sense to have a "do not download over metered connection" button? If storage is an issue, I believe the "Hide" and "keep on cloud" options for individual resources already exists. If another toggle/menu is incorporated into the menus, I wish there would be a distinction between "30-day temporary" and "until we change our minds temporary"
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If I think about the customer support implications for including this option for more than a few seconds, I'll be in danger of a headache.
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I appreciate where JT is coming from on this. I can also appreciate the concern some have about adding more complexity to Logos settings.JT (alabama24) said:I have never wanted to download "temporary" licensed material, especially the preview FC resources. Now that we have cloud resources, can we finally have the option to abstain from downloading these?
Perhaps simply having a setting/option in out FC membership to turn the download of temporary FC resources on or off would ease the pain of the monthly/ongoing download of temp resources. I know it wouldn't prevent the download of temp resources for things like Logos 8 Basic, but it might be a big step in the right direction and it wouldn't add any complexity to Logos settings.
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David Thomas said:
I realize that Faithlife has already provided an option to Hide unwanted resources and has provided a toggle to download new resources or not.
Neither one of those things addresses the situation I have brought up.
David Thomas said:If another toggle/menu is incorporated into the menus, I wish there would be a distinction between "30-day temporary" and "until we change our minds temporary"
OK, but you wouldn't be harmed in any way. If this were implemented, you could keep the settings as they are now. If you don't want to AUTOMATICALLY download temporary resources, you can turn that setting on (which is what I have requested). If you don't want MOST temporary resources to download but do want some, you can simply manually download those resources.
I am really trying hard to figure out why a bee is in some bonnets over this one. If "customer service" issues are really an issue, then you should lobby for the removal of the cloud resources period. It has already caused a number of headaches and this wouldn't add much to it. (Or at least as long as FL doesn't turn this on automatically, which they would not have reason to do).
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JT (alabama24) said:
If "customer service" issues are really an issue, then you should lobby for the removal of the cloud resources period. It has already caused a number of headaches and this wouldn't add much to it. (Or at least as long as FL doesn't turn this on automatically, which they would not have reason to do).
Adding an unintuitive setting toggle that affects, in a small way, a small portion of their user base and would be used by a small portion of that already small group is always going to cause headaches.
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I don’t agree. If you feel so strongly about this, you should be up in arms over cloud resources... but you are not.
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JT (alabama24) said:Dave Hooton said:
Just change the "Download New" setting at the beginning of the month and don't purchase any books for a few days!!
Forcing users to contort themselves is not good design.
You can easily remove the main bulk of temporary resources, and then manually remove monthly temporary resources. That really takes advantage of the Cloud feature.
Dave
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Again: Forcing users to contort themselves is not good design. Not having to remove any temporary resources would really be taking advantage of the cloud feature because THEY WOULD BE IN THE CLOUD! [:P]
I‘m really struggling to figure out why y’all are upset about this. If users don’t want this feature, they don’t have to turn it on. I’m not suggesting that it be the default behavior. If a user CHOOSES to turn it on, it would prevent these unwanted resources from automatically downloading with the desired ones.
Also: my desire isn’t novel. We regularly have users request the ability to reject the temporary resources. We also regularly have users request help with their metered internet.
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JT (alabama24) said:
I‘m really struggling to figure out why y’all are upset about this.
It's partly because there are two types of temporary resources: some we have an indefinite temporary licence for, and some we have just on a month's trial. The software can't distinguish between the two, but would need to for this feature to work.
Secondly, having them in the cloud significantly reduces discoverability, as they wouldn't show up in guides, etc.
Thirdly, the monthly temporary resources probably only take up a few megabytes of bandwidth, so there's little gained.
And fourthly, because each of us has our own list of about a bazillion other improvements we'd like to see in Logos, and we don't want this ahead of us in the queue for resources [;)]
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That's the best argument so far. [:)]Mark Barnes said:And fourthly, because each of us has our own list of about a bazillion other improvements we'd like to see in Logos, and we don't want this ahead of us in the queue for resources
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