Grant Horner's Bible Reading Plan in Logos

Levi Durfey
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edited November 20 in English Forum

Grant Horner developed a Bible reading plan where you read one chapter a day from each of ten lists. Each list covers a different section of the Bible. See here for more details.

There has already been quite a bit of discussion of how to do Grant Horner's Reading Plan in Logos. This is one thread.

An approximate reading plan is listed on the wiki.

Horner's reading plan, however, doesn't translate well to the Logos Reading Plan system. A major problem is that Logos forces you to stop reading each list at the same time (e.g., after one year). 

Horner intended that when you finish a list, you start reading it again, and you would never read the same combination of ten chapters again.

One way around this is to use the Logos bookmarks to mark each of the ten lists, but this confines your reading to your computer. I do most of my reading on my iPad.

Then it hit me: why not have a reading plan for each list?

So for each of Horner's ten lists, I made a reading plan. For example, the first list is Gospels. So I set the reference range to Mt-Jn and the finishing time to 89 sessions (there's 89 chapters in the Gospels).

You are supposed to read a chapter a day, but Logos wants you read equal portions each day, so it balances out the chapter length for you. That's not really a bad thing, and I can live with it.

Then I name it something like, "List 1: Gospels - 89 Days"  I put the 89 days there to remind myself what to reset the reading plan to when I finish the reading plan.

Alternatively, you could multiply the sessions by any number to make them go longer. For example, Acts is only 28 days. You could multiply it by 12 so that you wouldn't have to reset the plan every 28 days.

Then I pulled each of them into a favorites folder, "Grant Horner Reading Plan"

In the end, it's a few more clicks or taps to use it this way, but it's not bad and it comes closer to approximating Horner's reading plan on Logos.

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  • Chris Freeland
    Chris Freeland Member Posts: 1

    Are you able to access reading plans on the iPad app? 

  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) MVP Posts: 36,489

    Are you able to access reading plans on the iPad app? 

    Hi Chris! Welcome to the forums. [:)]

    Were you asking about this plan, or more generally? The answer to a literal reading of your question is "yes." Reading plans can be accessed on the iPad app. This is dependent upon the resource being available on your device, however. If you were wanting to know more about the OP's suggestion, I <think> the answer is yes. It seems like he has just created a number of different reading plans to replicate another one. 

    FYI - There is a forum dedicated to iOS questions and issues. http://community.logos.com/forums/74.aspx 

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  • Braxton Sheehy
    Braxton Sheehy Member Posts: 6

    I just found out about this plan. I love it so far. You can get the plan written out for 100 years here: https://evangelism.org/professor-grant-horners-bible-reading-system/

  • mab
    mab Member Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭

    I knew about Horner some time back, and I've decided to give it go.The only thing you really need is the list of ten book sets and just have at it. I think it's splendid so far. 

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  • Brad
    Brad Member Posts: 22

    Could someone give me a hand with setting this up as a custom reading plan?  I'm trying to set it up according to the wiki but I must be missing a step.  Thanks!

  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) MVP Posts: 36,489

    Could someone give me a hand with setting this up as a custom reading plan?  I'm trying to set it up according to the wiki but I must be missing a step.  Thanks!

    I am not currently able to troubleshoot this with you. If you don't get a good response, I would encourage you to post in the L8 forum. 

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  • Robert M. Warren
    Robert M. Warren Member Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭

    Could someone give me a hand

    Hi Brad:

    I'll give it a shot. It might take me a few days. If you want the steps I intend to use, see this reply to a thread from a couple of years ago (should still work):  https://community.logos.com/forums/p/156538/944872.aspx#944872 . If you want to try and are able to convert the PDF in Braxton's reply above to Excel, please post the file here. If not, let us know and I'll try. If successful, I'll post the XL here with more complete instructions.

    FYI:  The circa 2010 post linked above has a reference to a scheme that involves editing databases and creating XML files. That scheme became obsolete at the next revision and the instructions were removed from the Wiki.

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  • Robert M. Warren
    Robert M. Warren Member Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭

    I'll give it a shot.

    Hi Brad:

    I was able to get to it fairly quickly. I think I figured out how to share the final reading plan, so I won't bore anyone with the details for creating it, other than to note I created a 10-year plan from the 100-year (!) PDF linked above. So, if you want a shorter plan, just abandon it when you're done.

    Try this to get it:  Open this link:  https://fl.vu/d94pa7 (you need to be signed in). When you get to that page, see the 'Action' drop-down in the upper-right corner. Click the drop-down arrow and choose 'Get copy'. I think once you've done that you should see it in your Docs list in L8 (after it syncs). It's set to start 8/7/19 out of the box, but you can click Edit and change the start date by clicking the 'Wednesday' (or the date, if you try some days later).

    I hope I didn't goof anything up.

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  • Robert M. Warren
    Robert M. Warren Member Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭

    The long term of the plan crashes on my phone and tablet. I'll have to test a shorter one later this week.

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  • Simon’s Brother
    Simon’s Brother Member Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭

    Brad I have this setup as reading plans. One plan for each list. I have a slight adjustment in that I pull Ps 119 out of Psalms list and have it in its own list where I read 8 verses each day. I’ll share when I am home tonight (6-8hrs from now).

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  • Simon’s Brother
    Simon’s Brother Member Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭

    I have now shared the 10+1 Reading lists.  The +1 simply takes Ps 119 out of the main Psalms reading list and assigns 8 verses per day as the reading, the natural segmentation of this Psalm based on its structure. That way you don't end up on Day 119 of the Psalms reading list having to read all 176 verses in that chapter.

    When you first use the lists simply set the start date for each list. When you have completed a list, simply adjust the start date of that list and you are good to continue reading that list form the beginning again. For example When you complete Day 28 of the Acts list simply change its start date to the next days date and you will be ready for your second pass through the Acts list to begin the next day.

    The downside of having 10 lists is more than offset the flexibility it offers.  To try an make a single reading plan, while it can be done if you really want to go there, it is complicated to create and maintain and offers no flexibility.

    Having a separate plan of reach list allows you to change things up.  For instance, take List 10 again, you could change it so that you only read it Saturdays and Sundays and instead of setting it for 28 sessions you set it for 7 sessions so that you still complete that list in the same time frame but read 4 chapters twice a week instead of 1 each day.  At another point in time you might want to read larger chunks of text from the Pentateuch for a given pass through that list so you adjust the settings for that list.

    The reading lists will show up in the public list as follows:

  • Robert M. Warren
    Robert M. Warren Member Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭

    The long term of the plan crashes on my phone and tablet.

    A 2-Year plan will sync to and open in both my phone and tablet without crashing the app (they're both low-end, so they're probably good coal mine canaries).

    So, if you choose the Reading Plan route, here's the link:  https://fl.vu/r57sb8 . See the instructions in my reply above on 8/5/19.

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  • Kevin A
    Kevin A Member Posts: 1,040 ✭✭

    Here is a spreadsheet I created to help me put together a 935 day modified Horner plan, which I use for Morning, Lunch, Afternoon and Evening readings a day of 3 chapters (Poetry/Wisdom/Other - OT - NT). I chose 4 readings sets as I did not like too many cards on Home Page, less overwhelming.

    935 was multiple of Pentateuch that worked in the mobile app.

    The numbers were used for checking I had the correct number of chapters (Total in M Column), usually I had to manually calculate the last block, which I did not make entirely easy as a few of the groups are multiples eg "Ro-Col, Ro-Col" = 130  just so the sheet was a little narrower.

    B37 and below are the cells to copy and paste into the reading plan in Logos.

    Might be useful for someone to play with.

    4403.935Horner Bible Plan Modified.xlsx

    Edit - I shared the plans also now for inspection

    Morning https://fl.vu/t89iq

    Lunch https://fl.vu/z79eq

    Afternoon https://fl.vu/a35kc

    Evening https://fl.vu/t39rz

  • Braxton Sheehy
    Braxton Sheehy Member Posts: 6

    Does anyone use an iPhone or iPad to read the Bible in Logos? I can make an app for these Apple products that would, with a click, link to where you are to read in logos. Anyone interested? You would have the plan with 100 years worth or reading. FYI, the plan doesn't repeat itself for about 5.8 trillion days!

  • Margaret Gabriel
    Margaret Gabriel Member Posts: 7

    I would be interested!  I’ve been using YV app (Prof Horner’s Reading Plan) for years but I’d like access to my study notes & inductive highlights, etc at the same time. [Y]

  • Margaret Gabriel
    Margaret Gabriel Member Posts: 7

    I would be interested!  I’m currently using YV app but I’d like access to my study notes & inductive highlights, etc at the same time. [Y]

  • Richard Widener
    Richard Widener Member Posts: 10

    I have taken the 500 day Horners plan that I found on the internet (it is pdf), converted it to a Word docx and imported it as a personal book. The links work. I just highlight the day after I finish it, or the chapters I have finished. More than willing to share the docx but not sure the best way to do that. Admittedly this will repeat in 500 days, but I can live with that.

  • Greg Dement
    Greg Dement Member Posts: 133

    Braxton,

    Did you end up creating the app? If you did could you please share the name of it?  I would be very interested in seeing how if functions and what other possibilities that app could offer.

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  • Braxton Sheehy
    Braxton Sheehy Member Posts: 6

    I was going to work on something through Filemaker Pro. However, I came across ReadingPlan by Jim Price. It's amazing. Search the reading plans for Horner by using the "find" feature in your browser (He doesn't list the plans alphabetically). You download a plan or plans from his website then load them into the app. He's got the year by year reading schedules available for Horner.

    The app is flexible in that it can accommodate any reading plan. You can download any plan onto your computer and modify it then load it back into the app via iTunes. Here are the details for creating your own plan. I actually created a plan that includes a checkbox for Morning & Evening by Spurgeon.

    This app only works on the iPhone or iPad. If anyone knows how to develop on Android Jim is happy to help by sharing code. It would be wonderful to have this available for everyone. I haven't seen a better reading plan app.

  • Braxton Sheehy
    Braxton Sheehy Member Posts: 6

    OH...I want to add... this plan has the preference to click on a scripture for your reading and automatically go to the Logos app and open your scripture for you. I was standing line at Costco doing my Bible reading and browsing a commentary yesterday. Again, great app!

  • Richard Widener
    Richard Widener Member Posts: 10

    I have been using this since January 1. Here is a screen shot of what it looks like. It keeps me in Logos and all the study aids work. This is a work around and it doesn't work on the mobile app because personal books aren't available on the mobile app. I am really enjoying this reading plan though and I don't have to look at a pdf paper and mark off chapters. It is all in Logos.

  • RichB
    RichB Member Posts: 5

    I was going to work on something through Filemaker Pro. However, I came across ReadingPlan by Jim Price. It's amazing. Search the reading plans for Horner by using the "find" feature in your browser (He doesn't list the plans alphabetically). You download a plan or plans from his website then load them into the app. He's got the year by year reading schedules available for Horner.

    The app is flexible in that it can accommodate any reading plan. You can download any plan onto your computer and modify it then load it back into the app via iTunes. Here are the details for creating your own plan. I actually created a plan that includes a checkbox for Morning & Evening by Spurgeon.

    NOTE: this is for iOS users only

    I've been using ReadingPlan on iOS for years. The hardest part is finding Horner's Reading plan. You load it by year, and there are 100 years' worth of lists. Simply add whichever year you're on and go for it. As one of the posts says, you can set up the app to open up any bible on your iOS device, including a website like BibleGateway if you'd like.

    My setup:

    If your default Bible is ESV, there are some neat things you can do. For Horner's plan, because the goal is a broad overview, not in-depth reading, I used to turn off all headings and verse/chapter numbers using visual filters. This took away all distractions, and the Bible was much different (and pleasurable) to read!

    But two problems arose:

    1. whenever I actually wanted to study a passage in Logos, I would have to go back and turn on visual filters. (tedious)
    2. the visual filters took away all chapter markings with the verse numbers, so I didn't know when the chapter ended

    Hack for the ESV: Download the ESV Bible app (free). Set that as your default app for ReadingPlan to open in. In the ESV Bible app, go to the Settings and turn off headings, verse numbers, footnotes, and crossrefs. The chapter numbers are preserved, and voila! You can now read chapters at a time.

    Pro Tip #1: When reading on my iPad, I love using the Split Screen view. On one half is ReadingPlan, and on the other half is my Bible (you pick, Logos or the ESV app or another app). You can also use Slide Over for ReadingPlan if you want to use the entire screen for just the Bible, then slide it away so you can read. Simply click on the passage, and your Bible goes straight to the passage.

    Pro tip #2: When you just can't get yourself to read, listen to the audio version. In the ESV Bible app, it's as easy as hitting the speaker icon at the bottom and hitting play. You just have to stop it when it gets to the next chapter. You can also do this in the Logos app, but it's more clicks/taps to get it to read your audio bible for just that passage.

  • Daniel Ang
    Daniel Ang Member Posts: 4

    If anyone is interested to implement the Horner reading plan in Logos (or any other complex multi-list Bible reading plan), I have written a blog post describing the steps here: https://theology.danielang.net/2020/12/31/how-to-use-the-horner-bible-reading-plan-in-logos/. The main caveat is that you will need to make text files containing lists of the chapters to be read, but in the post above I have also included download links of the text files I generated for the Horner plan (up to 10 years).

  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,139

    If anyone is interested to implement the Horner reading plan in Logos (or any other complex multi-list Bible reading plan), I have written a blog post describing the steps here: https://theology.danielang.net/2020/12/31/how-to-use-the-horner-bible-reading-plan-in-logos/. The main caveat is that you will need to make text files containing lists of the chapters to be read, but in the post above I have also included download links of the text files I generated for the Horner plan (up to 10 years).

    This is great. Thanks for pointing to your blog. I would like to try this.

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  • mab
    mab Member Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭

    I still like doing this in a regular Bible, but I might switch when the LSB gets into Logos. 

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