It's happening again:
http://www.logosmarchmadness.com/
I resent that remark! [;)] My clock is not fast. It is Greenwich Mean Time now the same as UTC which is the world standard. My clock is linked to the Caesium clock in Rugby, accurate to a squllionth of a second in a squillion years! It is now officially 00.27 GMT (UTC). Get with the program!
I resent that remark! My clock is not fast. It is Greenwich Mean Time now the same as UTC which is the world standard. My clock is linked to the Caesium clock in Rugby, accurate to a squllionth of a second in a squillion years! It is now officially 00.27 GMT (UTC). Get with the program!
Yeah, sorry everyone... this is what happens when a marketing guy is allowed to code. If the real Logos programers weren't so busy making Logos 4, the iPhone app, and everything else so awesome, I could have had them write proper code for the splash page.
We'll be launching at midnight PST.
[:$]
way to go PST - off to get 40 winks :P
So, it will be 3 am on the east coast before the brackets are announced?
Gee! I guess folks on the West Coast must just be more righteous. Or have I misunderstood something?
I guess folks on the West Coast must just be more righteous.
Of course. We also excel in humility. [;)]
So, it will be 3 am on the east coast before the brackets are announced? Gee! I guess folks on the West Coast must just be more righteous. Or have I misunderstood something?
no, my east coast clock says 3 hours and 12 minutes, and I'm sticking to it!!!!
Right, I didn't watch a clock for over a week, just to find out that there is three more hours! [:|]
I resent that remark! My clock is not fast. It is Greenwich Mean Time now the same as UTC which is the world standard. My clock is linked to the Caesium clock in Rugby, accurate to a squllionth of a second in a squillion years! It is now officially 00.27 GMT (UTC). Get with the program! Yeah, sorry everyone... this is what happens when a marketing guy is allowed to code. If the real Logos programers weren't so busy making Logos 4, the iPhone app, and everything else so awesome, I could have had them write proper code for the splash page. We'll be launching at midnight PST.
lol, no prob. Did my best to retweet and post to facebook!
no, my east coast clock says 3 hours and 12 minutes, and I'm sticking to it!!!! Right, I didn't watch a clock for over a week, just to find out that there is three more hours!
Right, I didn't watch a clock for over a week, just to find out that there is three more hours!
[:|] is right!!!!!
Yeah, sorry everyone... this is what happens when a marketing guy is allowed to code.
It makes you wonder what prices we would see if the coders were allowed to market stuff. [<:o)]
Yeah, sorry everyone... this is what happens when a marketing guy is allowed to code. It makes you wonder what prices we would see if the coders were allowed to market stuff.
It makes you wonder what prices we would see if the coders were allowed to market stuff.
The Karl Barth Collection for 17 bucks
Yeah, sorry everyone... this is what happens when a marketing guy is allowed to code. It makes you wonder what prices we would see if the coders were allowed to market stuff. The Karl Barth Collection for 17 bucks
WooHoo! LET'S DO IT! Duck, duck, Goose. Musical chairs,
Git dem codies out here!
WooHoo! LET'S DO IT! Duck, duck, Goose. Musical chairs, Git dem codies out here!
No way - I would rather have printing!
You are definitely not getting any sleep until March Madness launches . .
I think we have all had way too much coffee - wait, I don't drink coffee. Must be the weather.
sadness. [:'(] I stayed up late to see what the 64 were. (ok, not really, I was up anyway waiting for the the dryer to stop. guess i will have to wait until i wake in the morning to find out.
sadness. I stayed up late to see what the 64 were. (ok, not really, I was up anyway waiting for the the dryer to stop. guess i will have to wait until i wake in the morning to find out.
At my house there is always another load to be run (11 people generate a lot of laundry.) [^] You can bake a cake or somethin'.
Ok. Everyone can get some sleep now... if you catch my drift [;)]
You are definitely not getting any sleep until March Madness launches . . Ok. Everyone can get some sleep now... if you catch my drift
Ok. Everyone can get some sleep now... if you catch my drift
I guess they all went to bed!
At the risk of sounding lazy [:D]
Would you be able to turn the lists into hyperlinks to their product description (or the collection they come from) so we can find out more about them?
It is linked if you go to "learn more" at the top of the march maddness page
Mark
How exciting to see three Spurgeon sets up in separate divisions! Great to see them at the top or near the top for now, hopefully it stays that way! Calvinists, Arminians, and the Baptist Middle Ground all love his works! The three Spurgeon works available for the March Madness competition being 1) Lectures to My Students (which is an excellent book! I'm surprised how many times I hear preachers quote him without even saying his name, but so many cliches I've heard before that I noticed when reading Lectures to My Students. 2) Treasury of David - excellent commentary on Psalms. 3) My Sermon Notes. For those that can't afford the $699 Spurgeon Collection (or didn't get it on Pre-pub at $299), these three collections are probably on the top of the list of being the most popular in the "larger expensive collection."
I'm surprised many people voted for some of the really cheap books, such as in the $15 range. Figured people would go for more expensive items to get the best discount, though it wouldn't be wise to vote for the "most expensive ones" simply because they're more expensive, if they're not going to be of much practical use for you. So vote wisely.
Also, you don't have to vote with 8 selections, you could vote for less, and only do the ones you really are interested in purchasing. That way there is not added votes on books that you may not really even plan on buying. (This methodology could either help or hurt my hopes.) I guess we'll just see in the end what is the winner! Pretty neat program Logos offers!
At the risk of sounding lazy Would you be able to turn the lists into hyperlinks to their product description (or the collection they come from) so we can find out more about them?
At the risk of sounding lazy
lol, only on the 3rd read did I see LAZY . . . I thought you had typed crazy . . . [:P]
good idea, anyway! Would be fun to see actual brackets next year, too. But I do like the color and font improvements! Way to go Ryan, you budding code writer!
brackets 2 and 3 were by far my favorite.
Would you be able to turn the lists into hyperlinks to their product description
Jon, check out this link http://www.logosmarchmadness.com/opening-round-titles/
Thanks for that link. The main page is hard to read with the green color.
I'm surprised many people voted for some of the really cheap books, such as in the $15 range
I was surprised to see this as well....there are PLENTY of great books in the more expensive realm...VOTE for those!!!!![:)]...especially the History of the Second Temple Period book![;)]
I was hoping for some publications with prices over $500. I wish I could add titles myself. Oh well, the Lord will provide, as usual.
I'm surprised many people voted for some of the really cheap books, such as in the $15 range.
I went ahead and created a pdf with the titles sorted by bracket, and price. In case anyone wants it for reference:
6087.March Madness Sorted.pdf
Maybe this has been answered - but do the coupons work for the entire period, or do you have to use them before the next round advances?
Also, you don't have to vote with 8 selections, you could vote for less, and only do the ones you really are interested in purchasing. That way there is not added votes on books that you may not really even plan on buying. (This methodology could either help or hurt my hopes.
Good point. I wish I had remembered that and voted accordingly. Although the 4th group has lots of great stuff in it, I either have them already or plan on buying the Collection they are part of. So I had difficulty voting for 8. There are certain ones I voted for that I hope do NOT make the final rounds.
Not everyone is flush with cash and buys everything going they would like to! So I think that having some cheaper titles getting through the first round or two is a good thing for people on a budget! Yes the winner should be a good title with a large price, but why not have cheaper titles at 30-40% off as well?
Slightly confused!
The IHMarshall Pastoral Epistles looks like it could be a good winner. So I checked it out in Carson's NTCS where he says:
"The new ICC commentary by IHMarshall is packed with thoughtful, well-written reflection on every issue of importance, but many readers will think that some of the interpretations are being skewed by Marshall's view that these epistles were not written by Paul."
But then on the Logos product page a quote from the book says:
"I have tried to present the message of the letters as they are ostensibly meant to be understood, as letters from Paul to Timothy and Titus,"
I take this to mean that he comments as if Paul wrote them without actually believeing it himself. A somewhat bizarre stance if he is an Evangelical (i.e. that the Bible is inerrant, sufficient, etc.) Is Marshall actually a semi-liberal?
I think Marshall's view is a sort of in-betweener, apolly-something-ity, where the core content of the letters were originally Pauline, but taken up by someone else and adjusted/edited/modified for contextual reasons - something like that... (Towner has a good summary of it in the NICNT volume, much better than my bumbling)
Essentially he tried to cut between it being genuinely Pauline and pseudonymous.
Still, irrespective of his position on authorship, he has some really good insights into the text.
I went ahead and created a pdf with the titles sorted by bracket, and price. In case anyone wants it for reference: 6087.March Madness Sorted.pdf
Edit: Just discovered that Logos already did this list with links at http://www.logosmarchmadness.com/opening-round-titles/
Wish I would have seen this one before I created mine. Paul, you must have posted it just after I looked at this thread this morning.
Here's mine below:
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/13711.aspx
2727.Logos March MadnessP.xlsx
1307.Logos March MadnessP.pdf
March Madness Books listed by Division and sorted by most expensive to least expensive within their divisions. The links below will take you to the book.
For those who want to mark up their own, I've attached an excel file (sorry I couldn't get the forum to accept my CSV file). Please be sure to verify the links and prices of the books you are interested in, I can't guarantee there not to be an error, but I believe they are all correct.
Have Fun!
Our hypothesis, then, is that the indications are that the PE belong to the period shortly after the death of Paul. They, especially 2 Tim, are based on authentic Pauline materials whose extent cannot now be traced precisely, and they may well have been produced in a group which included Timothy and Titus themselves. The stimulus came from the existence of the authentic letter behind 2 Tim, which was already beginning to face up to the problems of the opposition, and led to the composition of 1 Tim and Tit to deal more explicitly and fully with the problems caused by opposition and heresy in Ephesus and Crete. The letters were intended to give Pauline backing to Timothy and Titus and associated church leaders in their work of calling the congregations back from false teaching and practices. They are examples not of pseudonymity but of allonymity. Their composition was accordingly in no sense deceptive, in that it was known that these were fresh formulations of Pauline teaching to take account of the changing situation. Nevertheless, with the passage of time the origins of the letters were forgotten and they were assumed to be from Paul himself.
Thanks for posting that Mark.
So, in your opinion, do you find this adversely affects Marshall's comments or not?
Also, as a lay preacher (rather than a "full-timer"[:D]) will I find this commentary too technical (e.g. I do not have a good grasp of Greek)|?
It is a good commentary, though Carson is right - sometimes those views do get in the way. Like Carson, I'm a fan of Mounce of Knight, both of which are available in Logos. Below is a short extract of the commentary (on 2 Tim 4:1-2) so you can see for yourself if it's appropriate for where you're at. You may or may not find at interlinear sufficient for you to be able to locate the text that he's speaking of in each case:
1. Διαμαρτύρομαι ἐνώπιον τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ Χριστοῦ Ἰησοῦ τοῦ μέλλοντος κρίνειν ζῶντας καὶ νεκρούς The section begins with a remarkably solemn adjuration in which Timothy is made aware of his obligations in the context of the coming judgement. Spicq, 798, comments that in Greece such adjurations were especially associated with legal acts of succession. The opening phrase of the adjuration, διαμαρτύρομαι … Ἰησοῦ, echoes the language of 2:14 and is par. to 1 Tim 5:21, but does not go on to include the reference to the angels which may there be evocative of judgement, a theme expressed here more directly. The omission has the effect of linking God and Jesus Christ all the more closely together as co-actors in judgement, just as they are in salvation (as in 1:2 and similar formulae). μέλλω (1 Tim 1:16), used as a sort of auxiliary fut., occurs in the context of judgement in Acts 17:31; Jas 2:12 (pass.); Barnabas 7:2 (cf. 1 Pet 4:5); it may convey the thought of purpose and certain fulfilment more strongly than a plain fut. κρίνω (Tit 3:12** = to decide) is used here of final, divine judgement by Christ. Traditional language (associated by some commentators with a form of words used at baptism) is used to emphasise the universality of judgement. P 799 It applies both to the living, i.e. those who will be physically alive when the end of the world comes, and also to the dead, i.e. those who have died but will be raised from the dead to face the judgement.
καὶ τὴν ἐπιφάνειαν αὐτοῦ καὶ τὴν βασιλείαν αὐτοῦ The construction then shifts abruptly from ἐνώπιον with the gen. to a plain acc. Elsewhere the acc. can be used in this way of witnesses who are summoned against a person (Deut 4:26; Jth 7:28). This seems to be the background to the construction here (cf. Mk 5:7; Acts 19:13; 1 Th 5:27; Jas 5:12). The fact that Christ will come and rule adds weight to the admonition. ἐπιφάνεια here refers clearly to the future parousia of Christ (1 Tim 6:14 note; see Pax 1955:236–8). βασιλέια (4:18**) is then the Lord’s heavenly kingdom, the full manifestation of which is associated with the parousia. The thought may be threatening (so onesidedly Hasler, 76f.), but in view of v. 8 it is more likely to be positive: Timothy is being urged to do his work in a way that will lead to recognition and reward at the final judgement when Christ visibly rules. As Oberlinner 1980:200f., comments, the implication is that the future epiphany of Jesus for judgement is already determinative of present life and to that extent it has a contemporary character.
2. κήρυξον τὸν λόγον, ἐπίστηθι εὐκαίρως ἀκαίρως, ἔλεγξον, ἐπιτίμησον, παρακάλεσον, ἐν πάσῃ μακροθυμίᾳ καὶ διδαχῇ The task is summed up in a series of five imperatives with accompanying qualifications; a further four will follow in v. 5. If v. 5 is concerned more with Timothy’s own faithfulness to his task, here the point is rather the faithful presentation of the Christian message to the church with the accompanying discipline that is needed for people who are tempted not to listen or to heed it. There is a fairly close parallel in Tit 2:15 where authoritative teaching and discipline are linked. All five verbs are surprisingly in the aor. imper. (complexive aorist, BD § 3372). For the asyndeton cf. 1 Pet 5:10.
(a) κηρύσσω (1 Tim 3:16**) is found only here in the PE of ordinary Christian proclamation as a duty (but cf. the use of κῆρυξ, 1:11). There is an implied imperative in Rom 10:14, but elsewhere it is just assumed that preaching happens. The content of the proclamation is expressed with the acc. (Rom 10:8; Gal 2:2); ὁ λόγος (1 Tim 1:15 note) by itself is ‘the Christian message’ it is usually qualified in some way as ‘the word of God’, ‘the word of truth’, etc. (2:9, 15; 1 Th 1:6; Gal 6:6; Acts 8:4; 10:36–44; 14:25; 16:6 et al.), but by this point in the letter no fuller description is needed. Oberlinner, 155, holds that the horizon here is the congregation itself: there is no missionary goal. The description of Timothy as an evangelist in 4:5 suggests a different verdict, although it is true that the immediate focus is the proclamation of the truth and the refutation of heresy.
(b) ἐφίστημι is ‘to stand by or near, approach, appear’ (perf. 4:6**). Here the force is ‘to be ready, on hand’, i.e. to be always on the alert: ‘be instant’ (RV; NIV; cf. Jer 26 [46]:14). The idea is that the teacher is always there to grasp opportunities that offer themselves. If an object is to be supplied, it will be the hearers rather than the teaching. This sense of the verb is more likely than ‘press it home’.108 εὐκαιρῶς means when the time is convenient or appropriate for something; ἀκαιρῶς*** manifestly denotes the opposite situation, when it is not convenient. The convenience/inconvenience is not that of Timothy (pace Whitaker*) but of the hearers. Malherbe* has shown that the importance of recognising the right time for speech was a commonplace among rhetoricians. Polemic against the Cynics accused them of being indiscriminate in their propaganda. Speakers should choose the time which will be most favourable from the point of view of the people whom they hope to persuade. The sharp oxymoron calls Timothy to ignore this normal type of behaviour. According to Malherbe* the opponents are regarded as so evil and incurable that it does not matter when the teaching takes place. The writer is here thinking, not of people who are open to persuasion and pastoral counsel, but of those who are beyond a cure. On this interpretation, the proper time for preaching depends not on the readiness or otherwise of the heretics to respond but on the decision of God. The persuasiveness of this explanation is somewhat weakened by the fact that the immediately following phrases would seem to suggest a process that may be effective. It is perhaps more p 801 likely that the unexpected advice is meant to bring home the stringency of the situation and the need to act before things become so bad that appeal to the hearers will be in vain; moreover, the audience includes not only the false teachers but also those who are succumbing or may succumb to their influence.
(c) From presentation of the message the thought moves to the task of getting people to realise that they are sinners. ἐλέγχω occurs in this sense in 1 Tim 5:20, and picks up on the use of the noun in 2 Tim 3:16.
(d) Those who have committed sin are to be made aware not only that they have done so, but also that they stand under reproof. The thought appears to be of a public process,112 but personal dealings with individuals are not in fact excluded by the language.
(e) The final element in the list is positive. παρακαλέω (1 Tim 1:3; cf. 5:1; 6:2; Tit 1:9; 2:6, 15) sums up the nature of teaching as persuasion and encouragement. The concluding phrase appears to be linked to the last imperative and lists the two qualities that must accompany the act of exhortation (ἐν = ‘with’), but it may be intended to go with all five imperatives (White, 176). Patience (μακροθυμία) is frequently singled out as essential for Christian leadership (3:10.). It may seem odd that a noun indicating the manner of exhortation is accompanied by one that expresses more the content (διδαχή); whereas in Tit 1:9** it refers more to content, here the stress is on manner, perhaps ‘with every kind of instruction’ (BA; cf. 1 Cor 14:6; Mk 4:2; 12:38). The point is that Christian exhortation is to be seen to have its basis in sound teaching of the gospel.
That is so helpful Mark. And a really apt passage to choose for a preacher!
I could cope with the Greek there as he basically gives his view on the meaning the writer is trying to convey by the use of each key word.
So if this reaches a 75% discount I will probably buy!
I have a question. After voting is closed, do all the votes revert to 0 for those titles that advance?
After voting is closed, do all the votes revert to 0 for those titles that advance?
If I remember correctly from last year, YES.
You get a "clean sheet" as it were .
How exciting to see three Spurgeon sets up in separate divisions! Great to see them at the top or near the top for now, hopefully it stays that way!
With all due respect to Spurgeon (and I give him hugh respect!) I was a little surprised to see how many of the potentially 'big package' offers were of a Baptist persuasion in three different divisions! The church (even its Evangelical wing) is much broader than this and I would have liked to have seen some 'bigger cherry's' (such as commentary sets) that might have really excited and enticed those of us who don't come from this particular stable. This may also shed a little light on why some of the cheaper books might be attracting more votes than expected. Please folks - no offence meant!
I would ordinarily agree with you, being a Presbyterian I would think there is an overabundance of Baptists, but Spurgeon is special. Yes, he was a Baptist, but I have more in common with him than with many of my Presbyterian brothers today. So I am not upset in the slightest to see the Surgeon offerings.
I'm not upset Alan and I don't disregard the great man, but from my Anglican position I would have liked to have seen something that really would have stirred me as a 'must have' vote. Anglicans like great deals too! But who knows - perhaps Spurgeon will top three divisions and then at least our Baptist friends will be happy.
Almost every other book is non-Baptist. Look at a couple of "baptist heritage" books, and you see them on the BOTTOM of the list (not the TOP). I think Presbyterian/Reformed, textual criticism, is the majority of books shown. Some Catholic, but notice they're also at the bottom of the list. Logos seems to try to get "everyone in," but it's going to be an impossibility to not leave some out, but they're probably going to focus on what most of their buyers are. I personally would like to see more books in general for Logos that have a more conservative traditional text view in regards to textual criticism. But today, most people are in love with the "critical text" in regards to textual criticism, and often times many of those lower textual critics just happen to also be higher textual critics (deny much of the literal understanding of the scriptures, miracles, etc), since that's a majority, Logos is going to make more money producing them. Perhaps next year, for the 400th Anniversary of the King James Bible there will be more books on the Byzantine/Traditional/Textus Receptus side of things.
The Spurgeon books will not be my pick either, especially since I already have them in a couple of other software packages. I find I don't use them as much as I thought I might use them. But then I guess I wouldn't have known that until after I owned them.
While I do not agree with Marshall's theory of the authorship of the pastoral epistles, I highly respect him as a biblical scholar. This is generally regarded as one of the best three commentaries on these books, and would be a valuable addition to my library. Marshall is the real deal.
I would love to buy this $130 book for just a little over $32.50!
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Or, maybe, we are voting for the books we really want - irregardless of price. I did not even look at price when making my choices. I looked at the titles and authors in which I had the greatest interest.
Well, I am a Methodist who is glad to see the Spurgeon resources. He just can't be beat as a preacher of the Word. I do not find that his Calvinism gets in the way of his heart for God and God's Word.
I really couldn't afford a big set at this time considering the Zondervan pre-pubs I am ordering.
