Person concept missing in Lexham Theological Wordbook?

Hamilton Ramos
Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033
edited November 2024 in English Forum

Hi power users:

The topic of the month in Dec. 2019 is the Trinity. Many resources are advertised to do the study (which I think is real cool).

https://www.logos.com/topic-of-the-month

Yet when I go to the Lexham Theological Wordbook, the term "Person" is not to be found.

Is there a reason for that? I think much of the controversy about the trinity comes from the wrong translation of the Greek term Hypostasis to the Latin.

On the left we have:

Muller, R. A. (1985). Dictionary of Latin and Greek theological terms : drawn principally from Protestant scholastic theology. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Book House.

And even an untrained student like me can tell there is big problem with the term Person by reading the entry.

By reading the 'persona' entry in the Dictionary of Latin and Greek theological terms, one can tell how problematic that term is, and how it distorts the trinity concept.

Hypostasis seems to be a better term, and the reasons given for its rejection to me show a tendency of imposing a particular view on a concept, that does not jibe with the Bible witness.

If the above is a misperception, it would be great to have the concept of Person discussed in the LTW, so that one could get a better idea of how the subject is treated from the original languages point of view.

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  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,806

    Yet when I go to the Lexham Theological Wordbook, the term "Person" is not to be found.

    Is there a reason for that?

    Presumably because the Wordbook is focused on helping the reader to understand biblical terms and concepts and not all terms are included.

    Organization

    The entries for the Lexham Theological Wordbook are organized around an English headword or semantic domain.1 Unlike most lexicons that organize by lemma and then delineate all known meanings of a lemma within a single entry, our articles are organized first according to semantic domain,2 then as individual lemmas from Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek. The articles describe the concept represented by the domain and explain the words and idioms that inform that concept.


    Douglas Mangum et al., eds., Lexham Theological Wordbook, Lexham Bible Reference Series (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2014).

  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    Presumably because the Wordbook is focused on helping the reader to understand biblical terms and concepts and not all terms are included.

    Should it be called then the Lexham Biblical Theology Wordbook instead?

    I am not an expert, but I would imagine that the concept of Person should be in the Bible and be of dire importance, since it affects all of us humans.

    It seems very strange, because other reference works are missing the concept too:

    Not to be disrespectful or start polemics, but look at the inconsistency: Protestants say: go to the original languages, let the Bible speak for itself, do not eisegeze anything on the Scripture.

    Then when we study the Trinity concept:  uninspired persons translate from the original language to Latin, and reject a greek term because they do not consider it to be within their concept of orthodoxy.

    And some groups expect Bible students to accept that?

    What happened with scholastic pride in clearly treating the subject matter, and delineating the logical arguments that take you to a particular conclusion based on the propositional truths found in the Scripture? What about the objectivity of not letting your personal preconceptions affect the development of doctrine, but base it on Bible witness?

    Lack of transparency means to the critical observer lack of proper methodology. And makes the conclusions not binding if do not jibe with Scripture.

    Not even liberal references have the concept discussed:

    Check the following quote:

    "Jerome was suspicious of the term hypostasis, viewing it as virtually synonymous with ousia, and therefore as a cause of Arian tendencies in trinitarian thinking. The others recognized the orthodox character of Cappadocian usage (see hypostasis) but noted the difficulty of rendering the Greek terminology into Latin."

     Muller, R. A. (1985). Dictionary of Latin and Greek theological terms : drawn principally from Protestant scholastic theology (p. 223). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Book House.

     Would not good practice call for retaining the term if there is no appropriate translation of it?

    Then we ask why there is people having all kinds of troubles with the Trinity concept.

    Good American adage: "If it ain't broken, do not fix It". Let's keep the Hypostasis term and avoid all kind of confusing problems.

    My own non-expert opinion of course and expecting that fine minds will add the Person concept entry in the LTW.

    P.S.

    at least I found some interesting resources:

    https://www.logos.com/product/17537/person-grace-and-god

    https://www.logos.com/product/31139/body-soul-and-human-life-the-nature-of-humanity-in-the-bible

    If any one knows of more relevant resources please share.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,806

    Should it be called then the Lexham Biblical Theology Wordbook instead?

    I don't think so as it isn't really exploring biblical theology - it is trying to explain key words and concepts used in the biblical languages. The announcement at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/92666.aspx explains what it is trying to do.

    I am not an expert, but I would imagine that the concept of Person should be in the Bible and be of dire importance, since it affects all of us humans

    I don't understand your point here. Are you saying that we should only treat the concept of Person as important if it is actually in the Bible or are you saying something else?

  • MJ. Smith
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    I am not an expert, but I would imagine that the concept of Person should be in the Bible and be of dire importance, since it affects all of us humans

    from Wikipedia, since I have no readily available history of ideas resource:

    [quote]

    In ancient Rome, the word persona (Latin) or prosopon (πρόσωπον; Greek) originally referred to the masks worn by actors on stage. The various masks represented the various "personae" in the stage play.

    The concept of person was further developed during the Trinitarian and Christological debates of the 4th and 5th centuries in contrast to the word nature. During the theological debates, some philosophical tools (concepts) were needed so that the debates could be held on common basis to all theological schools. The purpose of the debate was to establish the relation, similarities and differences between the Ancient Greek: Λóγος, romanized: Lógos/Verbum and God. The philosophical concept of person arose, taking the word "prosopon" (Ancient Greek: πρόσωπον, romanized: prósōpon) from the Greek theatre. Therefore, Christus (the Ancient Greek: Λóγος, romanized: Lógos/Verbum) and God were defined as different "persons". This concept was applied later to the Holy Ghost, the angels and to all human beings.

    Since then, a number of important changes to the word's meaning and use have taken place, and attempts have been made to redefine the word with varying degrees of adoption and influence.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    I don't understand your point here. Are you saying that we should only treat the concept of Person as important if it is actually in the Bible or are you saying something else?

    From the Trinity definition Person seems to be a key concept (more so theologically speaking). So is very strange that a key doctrine is not treated in any of the Theological wordbooks.

    Is kind of interesting that the overview is in a Latin theological resource, and it points to tons of problems with the term.

    I am not a professional of the Biblical Studies, nor Theology etc. but in my secular sector such is unacceptable. Key concepts are standardized, defined, explained and communicated so there is no misunderstanding.

    How can anyone say: take seriously the study of theology and then you have the key concepts not treated in the main reference resources.

    Maybe I am missing something but it is way to strange to me.

  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    Excellent MJ, thanks for sharing.

    See, if trinity is so important to Christianity, and we have over 2000 years of theological reflection, study, articulating, etc. I would expect to have such key concept deftly treated in a resource like LTW just the way the other concepts are treated there.

    From the following:

    https://www.logos.com/product/17537/person-grace-and-god

    "This volume offers a robust theological investigation of the concept of the person. Philip Rolnick calls us to think about personhood not just psychologically—understanding it as a set of traits or behaviors or as a level of social adroitness—but theologically. He believes that person represents our highest understanding of our lives with regard to each other, the world, and God. Some understanding of person underlies virtually every significant Christian doctrine and points to what is most at stake in it."

    If I was a gung ho for modern Trinity definition believer like many in the Forums are, I would make sure that the whole world knew the details of the concept of Person in that modern Trinity definition.

    That is not treated and communicated as it should, seems logical because is riddled with problems that have been voiced by very credible sources in Historical theological Christianity.

    That is why I tend to be more simplistic: I stick to the old Trinity definition that jibes better with the Bible witness...

    Loving relation between Divine Substantive Realities (Hypostasis).  Simple, elegant and effective.

  • MJ. Smith
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    Note it is the Lexham Theological WORDBOOK and as such is deliberately restricted to the Biblical words. For a theological definition giving the meaning at a particular point in time to a particular group of theologians, you need to go to your theological DICTIONARY but I find few have an entry for "person" e.g.

    [quote]

    Person (Lat. “actor’s mask”). The word originally employed to designate the role someone plays on the stage or in life, and then applied to a subsistent, rational individual. Boethius (ca. 480–ca. 524) classically defined person as “rationalis naturae individua substantia” (Lat. “an individual substance of rational nature”). Applied to the Trinity, this definition might imply three centers of reason, thus conflicting with orthodox belief of one reason held in common by the three divine persons. Over the centuries, various aspects of what it is to be a person were explicitated or added: relationship, incommunicability, self-consciousness, freedom, duties, inalienable rights, and dignity. For Immanuel Kant (1724–1804), the human person is an absolute that may never be used as a means, but must always be respected as a moral end-initself. Today, to overcome the notion of persons as autonomous selves, some stress the way persons are always persons-in-relationship, constituted through relations with other persons and the environment. See Hypostasis; I and Thou; Immanent Trinity; Personalism; Persons of the Trinity; Prosopon.

    Gerald O’Collins and Edward G. Farrugia, A Concise Dictionary of Theology (New York; Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 2013), 194–195.

    [quote]


    Person, Personhood. The biblical view of humanity is critical to our understanding of the Scriptures and God. Anthropology is an essential element of theology. Man-talk and God-talk are closely related and only possible as they are related one to the other. Themes such as sin, grace, faith, redemption, and the church must not only be viewed from the God-side, but also from the human side. While God is absolute in the Old Testament, he revealed his Godness through his contact with humans in words and deeds. In the incarnation in the New Testament he is completely defined.
    Now this is not to suggest that the human being is the measure of all things. Anthropocentric concerns must not so dominate theology that its focus is the nature of the human being, rather than the character of God. But there is real danger when the consideration of anthropology is pursued in isolation quite apart from theology. It is critical that anthropology be considered from a biblical perspective. Human preoccupation results in narcissism. The question of what human beings are must be answered biblically.
    The creation account of Genesis 1 portrays human beings as part of the material world created by God. As such they have solidarity with the natural order and a creature relationship to God. This is the emphasis of Psalm 8, in which the human being is seen as a little lower than God, but crowned with glory and honor.
    The boundary lines between humans and God on the one hand, and that between humans and nature on the other hand are never violated. Humans can only have a proper understanding of themselves as they have a proper understanding of God. This results in self-awareness, in a creature consciousness—but not in a debasing sense. As uniquely created in God’s image, humans are his agents ruling over and caring for the earth.
    Commonality with all other creation gives humans their earthiness. They are embedded in creation, but they are not only in nature, they are also over nature. While they are a part of nature they are apart from nature. They not only have solidarity with nature, but transcendence over it. Not only do they have a special relationship to God, they also have one with other humans.
    It is exceedingly difficult to systematize biblical anthropology since the Bible does not set out to present an encyclopedic treatment of it. At best, reference to it seems to be incidental and informal.
    This effort to understand humankind biblically is further complicated by the multiplicity of terms such as heart, soul, spirit, and body, which, while having distinct meaning, are frequently used interchangeably in Scripture. Stereotyped translation of Hebrew words is not wise or possible.
    The development of a biblical anthropology is also complicated by the movement of the Hebrew Scriptures into the Greek world and language. The Septuagint translations of the Hebrew terms has led in the false direction of a dichotomic or even an trichotomic anthropology, in which body, soul, and spirit stand in contrast and conflict. The “wholeness” of the human being in Semitic thought gives way to a more fractionalized consideration of the person.
    Terminology. While the word ʾādām can indicate the first man, it is most generally generic, designating humankind. The etymology of this word is uncertain. It should be distinguished from Hebrew words of gender. It is this word that is associated with the image of God (Gen. 1:26), depicting human dominion over the nonhuman world. Even after the fall, ʾādām is used of humankind. The image of God is still the distinctive.
    Another Hebrew word used for humankind is ʾĕnôsû. This represents the weakness or mortality of humanity, although such an understanding may be more attributable to theology rather than etymology.
    The Greek counterpart of the Hebrew ʾādām is anthrōpos. This too is a generic term, used without sex distinction. It depicts humanity in contrast to animals and provides us with the English word “anthropology.” Implicit in this term is an acknowledgment of humanity’s finiteness and creatureliness.
    The Nature of Humankind. A careful study of biblical words and expressions used for the person need to be made to facilitate our understanding of humankind.
    Soul. This is the traditional English translation of the Hebrew word nepeš, but most generally it refers to the person as a needy/longing creature rather than to some indestructible spiritual substance. Such is observable in Genesis 1:20, 21, 24, where the qualified (living) nepeš refers to animals and is rendered “living creatures.” Thus this term is not reserved for human beings and when used of a person it does not so much suggest what a person has as what a person is. This term is even used where nepeš is detached from the concept of life and simply designates a corpse.
    Nepeš is often used to express physical needs such as hunger (Deut. 12:20; 1 Sam. 2:16) and thirst (Prov. 25:25). It can be used of excessive desires (gluttony—Prov. 23:2) and of unfulfilled desires (barrenness—1 Sam. 1:15). Volitional/spiritual yearning is also assigned to the nepeš such as the desire for God (Ps. 42:1–2) and justice (Isa. 26:8–9), but also for evil (Prov. 21:10) and political power (2 Sam. 3:21).
    The counterpart to nepeš in the New Testament is psychē. It is difficult to draw hard and fast lines between the various meanings of this many-sided Greek word. It can mean “life” of a particular person or animal (Matt. 2:20; Mark 10:45; John 10:11; Rom. 11:3) or person (Acts 27:37) or be reflexive, designating the self (Luke 12:19). There are passages where psychē stands in contrast to body (sōma) and there it seems to refer to an immortal part of man (Matt. 10:28). Nevertheless, on the whole, in the New Testament soul retains its basic Hebrew meaning.
    Flesh. The Hebrew word bāśār so rendered, represents that which humans share in common with the animal world. While bāśār stands primarily for the visible part of the body, it is also used to designate the body as a whole. Hebrew has no word for body, but the frequency with which bāśār is so translated suggested that this term often served in that capacity. That these uses refer to a body can be seen in the treatment that bāśār received: anointed, washed, clothed, cut, pained, and in particular in its capacity to thirst, tremble, faint, and grow weary. These latter qualities show that bāśār can also indicate the whole person.
    Thus, common Old Testament anthropological thought holds that a human being is a body, rather than having a body. The distinctions between soul and body are minimized. A human being is an animated body rather than an incarnated soul. The body is none other than the soul in its outward form, allowing the various parts of the body to think and act as representations of the soul.
    While weakness is associated with bāśār in the Old Testament, there is no indication that it is a source of evil. This is in contrast to the New Testament where flesh is the locus of sin and the term “fleshly” becomes virtually synonymous with “sinful.”
    The Greek word for body is sōma. While it can designate the physical entity, it is often used as a comprehensive term for the whole person. Such a holistic definition of sōma is widely accepted today. This view minimizes dualism where the body and soul oppose each other and it advocates unity. This unity is not to be seen as monadic, denying either the corporeal or the incorporeal side of the person.
    Spirit. The Hebrew word so rendered is rûaḥ. Its basic meaning is “wind” or “breath” and by extension comes to mean “strength”—the vital power necessary to sustain life. The spirit that animates man comes from God. It can be crushed (Ps. 34:18), necessitating the Lord to save, or it can be taken back, causing the person to return to dust (Job 34:14–15; Ps. 104:29). These latter verses suggest that the person’s spirit and God’s are virtually inseparable.
    If the concept of “body” associates human beings with the animals and suggests weakness, the concept of “spirit” stresses the affinity we have for God and stresses power. While nepes̄ pertains to God in a few instances and bāśār never applies to God, rûaḥ is used more often of God than humans. Thus, the human spirit calls out for its divine complement, while God desires worshipers who will worship in spirit and truth. It is the spirit that provides the energy and capacity to worship.
    This term is also used to indicate the dominant impulse or disposition of a person so that the text can speak of bitterness of spirit (Gen. 26:35), spirit of jealousy (Num. 5:14, 30), broken spirit (Exod. 6:9), right spirit (Ps. 51:10), and a “generous spirit” (Ps. 51:12). In Numbers 14:24 Caleb is distinguished from the others by his attitude—“different spirit.”
    Spirit can also refer to the life center of the body. This is seen in Ecclesiastes 3:18–21 where a comparison is made between the spirit of a person and the spirit of a beast. When the rûaḥ departs mortals return to the earth. The rûaḥ returns to God who gave it.
    Heart. The Hebrew word lēb is the most common Old Testament term for the person. Its traditional translation “heart” has hidden its meaning, since our present understanding of the term has but little of its biblical meaning.
    The Old Testament has little interest in anatomy. No connection is made in the Old Testament between the heart and the beating of the pulse.
    Upon learning of his wife’s approach to David, Nabal’s heart dies and became like stone, but he continued to live for ten more days (1 Sam. 25:37–38). Obviously this refers to his emotions not to his physical heart. The whole spectrum of emotions is attributed to the heart—positive emotions like love, loyalty, joy, comfort and negative ones like grief, envy, anger.
    Thought functions are also attributed to the heart where lēb is better translated “mind.” Wisdom and understanding are located in the heart. The heart is the seat of the will, so that a decision can be described as “setting” the heart (2 Chron. 12:14).
    Thus, lēb in its more abstract meaning refers to the inner or immaterial part of the human being, being, in fact, the most frequently used word and the richest.
    The Greek word kardia in the New Testament also includes the mental, moral, rational, and emotional elements of human nature. While “soul” and “spirit” deal with the essence of a human being, “heart” reflects the qualitative—the matter of character.
    Other Functions. A survey of the above four terms reveals the absence of a variety of English terms and functions we associate with personhood. Rational functions are frequently assigned to the heart (lēb) that we would ascribe to the head, and more precisely to the brain, the mind. Lack of heart in the Old Testament does not mean coldness of feeling, but lack of thought (Prov. 10:13). The “wise heart” (Ps. 90:12) indicates intelligence.
    The conscience is also associated with the heart. This is clearly seen in the statement: “Afterward David was conscience-stricken for having cut off a corner of his [Saul’s] robe” (1 Sam. 24:5). The cry for a “clean heart” in Psalm 51:10 is a plea for a pure conscience.
    Another function of personhood—will—is related to both the heart (lēb) and spirit (rûaḥ). In “planning the heart” (Prov. 16:19) the emphasis is not only upon understanding, but execution, an activity of the will. Sometimes spirit indicates will, such as in Ezra 1:5, where reference is made to the exiles whose spirit God had stirred up to go up to rebuild the temple.
    Relationship among Persons. That human relations are critical to a person’s wholeness is seen in the creation account of Genesis, when God created persons male and female, and in Genesis 2 where the divine assessment is that “it is not good” for the man to be alone—a partner is necessary. Singularity is not good. Even as there is diversity (trinity) within unity in the Godhead so there is unity within diversity in humanity. Maleness and femaleness are basic to humanity.
    Human relationship in the Old Testament goes beyond marriage. The life of the individual Israelite was always integrated in the bonds of the family. The elimination process in Joshua 7:16–18 that finally isolated Achan reflects this solidarity.
    This solidarity is referred to as corporate personality. While individual value, worth, and responsibility are recognized in the Old Testament, there is no tendency to the rugged individualism of Western culture. Rather in the Old Testament the individual was able to implicate the entire nation either in blessing or judgment and a single person such as the king could represent the whole nation as if it were an individual.
    While to stand alone was viewed negatively as an affliction (Ps. 25:16–17) and an occasion for taunting (Ps. 102:6–8), there are individuals who are singled out, who stand alone, but not for their own benefit, but for that of the group such as Abraham and Moses.
    The concept of solidarity is continued in the New Testament. Individual distinctions are lost since “you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Gal. 3:28). The representation of the church under the metaphor of the body also stresses unity: “The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body” (1 Cor. 12:12–13).
    Conclusion. In this consideration of the person two tensions stand out.
    First, should the person be viewed as a unity or a duality? Scriptural evidence can be advanced for both of these positions. This would call for caution. The individual, on the one hand, must not be fragmented or disassembled. On the other hand, the material and the immaterial must not be so homogenized that there is a denial of either materiality or spirituality.
    The second tension is individualism versus corporate solidarity. Again scriptural evidence can be presented for both realities. The oscillation of Scripture, the ready movement between the I and the we, demands a careful balance between them.
    CARL SCHULTZ

    See also SOUL; SPIRIT; WILL.

    Bibliography. W. Dryness, Themes in Old Testament Theology; R. H. Gundry, Sōma in Biblical Theology; R. Jewett, Paul’s Anthropological Terms; N. Snaith, The Distinctive Ideas of the Old Testament; H. W. Wolff, Anthropology of the Old Testament.


    Carl Schultz, “Person, Personhood,” in Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology, electronic ed., Baker Reference Library (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1996), 602–604.

    [quote]

    person. Used of humans to denote a living being with the capacity for freedom, consciousness and relationships; of God as similarly yet preeminently personal; and of the three members of the Trinity. When referring to the triune personhood of God, person does not have any similarity to the contemporary psychological understanding, nor does it connote three separate Gods. Instead, the trinitarian persons are relational in their personhood.

    Stanley Grenz, David Guretzki, and Cherith Fee Nordling, Pocket Dictionary of Theological Terms (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1999), 90–91.

    [quote]

    person (Gr. prosōpon, Lat. persona) Boethius (c. 480–524) defined person as “an individual substance of a rational nature.” Contemporary theologians emphasize the relational nature of personhood. The three “persons” of the Trinity relate freely, equally, and in full love with one another. See Trinity, doctrine of the.

    Donald K. McKim, The Westminster Dictionary of Theological Terms, Second Edition, Revised and Expanded (Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2014), 235.

    That is it and I do have a reasonably expansive library.

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  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    Finally something that can be used to guide further study:

    from the following resource:

    https://www.logos.com/product/180383/the-new-dictionary-of-theology

    Roughly going over it, seems to have some inaccuracies (e.g. persons is not equivalent to Hypostasis). So maybe it can be used as general reference to write a good entry in LTW.

    The part dealing with today seems promising:

    Remember that modalism is not heretic if it complies with:

    "One may hold, with orthodox theologians from Basil of Caesarea to Herman Bavinck, either that the divine persons are modes of the divine being or that they differ only in their modes of being, without committing oneself to the heresy of modalism. In order to avoid modalism, rather, one need merely affirm that the distinctions between the divine persons are (1) eternal, (2) unchangeable, and (3) real, and in particular, intrinsic to the divine being and not dependent for their existence on the activity of nondivine minds.

     Jowers, D. W. (2018). Modalism. In H. W. House (Ed.), The Evangelical Dictionary of World Religions (p. 327). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books: A Division of Baker Publishing Group.

    Ireneaus said it succinctly:

    "Jesus and the Holy Spirit are like the Arms that God uses to bring believers close to His heart" [rough paraphrase]. Arms being inherent members (Hypostasis) of one Divine Being.

  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    Good to know MJ.

    My point stands if LTW was only about Bible words then it should be L Biblical theological wordbook, which obviously is not.

    And in my own view, the LTW does a neat way of treating the subject matter in a good format, touching relevant passages, and giving other useful information. that is why I would love to have Person and hypostasis there.

    in my previous post I found a nice entry in a Catholic resource, that can be used together with the ones you have cited to do an entry in LTW using its unique format.

    And all this stands as a point I have been trying to make all along:

    Do we have to be like secular settings in which you have to take a whole amount of resources to then synthesize your self a superb working definition of a term?

    Or are we as Christians expected to give superior material to the sheep so they can quickly and effectively grasp the key concepts of key doctrine?

    I hear a lot about propositional truth from the Bible and its importance, yet I have not been able to find a resource that gives the tentative list of such for then the student to check and see if things are so.

    We are to be at a higher standard than secular contexts. We have to be facilitators of much better education for the sheep, because for our love and thankfulness to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    I think LTW does a superb job at helping sheep get acquainted well with key concepts, I am surprised that something as key as Person (both Divine and us context) is left out.

  • MJ. Smith
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    from the Lexham Theological Wordbook:

    [quote]


    We designed the Lexham Theological Wordbook as an aid for anyone studying the biblical languages—especially those using electronic tools such as Logos Bible Software. Digital tools provide access to details about Hebrew and Greek words and allow easy searches that show where and how often a term is used. But the raw data these searches return must still be analyzed, whether one is working on a word study, an exegetical paper, or an academic article. Our goal for this project was to create a resource that explains this raw data for some of the most important and most common concepts relevant to the biblical world and then integrates that explanation into a big-picture overview of the category itself.
    This wordbook is a modest contribution toward explaining Hebrew and Greek words and biblical conceptualizations. It stands on the foundation built by many excellent works in Hebrew and Greek lexicography from the 19th century to the present. Serious work on classical Hebrew or classical and Hellenistic Greek, for example, could scarcely be attempted without the use of resources such as the Hebrew-Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament (HALOT) or the Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and Early Christian Literature (BDAG), or even classic works like Gesenius’ lexicon and that of Brown, Driver, and Briggs (BDB) in Hebrew, or Liddell and Scott in classical Greek (LSJ). In addition to standard lexicographic resources, the foundation beneath the Lexham Theological Wordbook includes the many theological dictionaries, lexicons, and wordbooks that have provided thorough analyses of biblical and theological concepts and linguistic expressions. Some noteworthy resources in this regard are the New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis (NIDOTTE), the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT), and the Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament (EDNT). Similarly, this project is indebted to a wide range of biblical reference works—various Bible dictionaries, encyclopedias, and lexicons—dealing with biblical or theological concepts, including, but not limited to, the Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (ABD), the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Revised (ISBE), the Dictionary of Biblical Imagery, and the Lexham Bible Dictionary (LBD).


    Douglas Mangum et al., eds., Lexham Theological Wordbook, Lexham Bible Reference Series (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2014).

    Do you mean to be using Mangum, Douglas. The Lexham Glossary of Theology. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2014. instead?

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  • MJ. Smith
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    guide further study

    also see https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/ especially the supplementary article History of Trinitarian Doctrines which is probably nearly all you need.

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  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    MJ. Smith said:

    This wordbook is a modest contribution toward explaining Hebrew and Greek words and biblical conceptualizations

    Yes MJ, this is what I mean. It seems that Person term is a key biblical conceptualization, that is so important (because of its presence in the modern trinity definition), that I cannot understand why is not treated in LTW.

    An entry clarifying the associated terms including hypostasis, ousia, etc. would help dispel many of the misunderstandings.

  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    Thanks for the links MJ.

    To your knowledge, will there ever be a chance to get the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy in L8 format? looks like a great addition if is possible.

  • SineNomine
    SineNomine Member Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭

    Thanks for the links MJ.

    To your knowledge, will there ever be a chance to get the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy in L8 format? looks like a great addition if is possible.

    The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is a resource that is updated very frequently and as such is unrealistic for FL to produce a Logos edition of.

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,836

    Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy in L8 format? looks like a great addition if is possible.

    One can put a link to it on the short-cut bar.

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