The Liturgy of the Hours is here!
I'm happy to announce that we've begun work on producing the four-volume liturgy of the hours for Verbum!
It's available for pre-order as of earlier today:
https://verbum.com/product/188341/the-liturgy-of-the-hours-according-to-the-roman-rite
Enjoy!
--Craig
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Craig - This is great news!
Out of curiosity, is there still the intention to get the Latin edition of the Liturgia Horarum into the Verbum?
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Now we need:
- the 2nd year of scripture readings as given in the Christian Prayer volume
- integration into a restored liturgical ribbon
- integration into the lectionary/missal layout ... don't forget to give us the right psalms ...
Sorry, I'm just never satisfied. But I truly thank you for getting this one done.
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Made my pre-order 👍
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I'm happy to announce that we've begun work on producing the four-volume liturgy of the hours for Verbum!
Oh good! Thank you!
Now if only the present Sample Pages weren't so dramatically different from the liturgical text itself.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Anybody else thinking “I WANT IT NOW!!!” ? 😉
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Well I preordered even though I have the 4 volume set in hard copy. I will be interested in how it is presented.
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Ira Taylor said:
Well I preordered even though I have the 4 volume set in hard copy. I will be interested in how it is presented.
Same here. I also use an iPad app. But it would be nice to have it work like the Missal in Verbum so I can have it with the rest of the daily devotionals I have on my iPad home page.
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Great to see!
Does this resource include the translation of the Psalms, or is it pulling the Psalm text from one's preferred Bible translation?
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Average Joe said:
Great to see!
Does this resource include the translation of the Psalms, or is it pulling the Psalm text from one's preferred Bible translation?
I‘m pretty sure it would be the official translation, much like the lectionary for Mass is.
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Yes, it will include the psalms from the four-volume text, which are the Grail psalms.
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I went to the order page, but I don't see anything of the 'prayer interface.' I really hope that you truly have a "streamlined" approach with no flipping and jumping, but I don't want to drop $90 hoping that you did it better than the free breviaries out there. What makes this better than the free apps?
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Andrew Wolfe said:
I went to the order page, but I don't see anything of the 'prayer interface.' I really hope that you truly have a "streamlined" approach with no flipping and jumping, but I don't want to drop $90 hoping that you did it better than the free breviaries out there. What makes this better than the free apps?
I’ll be happy if it works like the Missal, but we’ll see. Hopefully we’ll get the preview before we get the bill
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We'll have screenshots to share soon.
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So excited about this one!!!!
hoping the book of blessings and other sacramental rites (marriage/baptism/funerals/etc) will follow. This will make Verbum a one stop shop for liturgy prep and research!
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Yes, it will include the psalms from the four-volume text, which are the Grail psalms.
Does it mean that the user will not be able to choose his favourite translation, possibly not English? (i.e. hebrew or Spanish)
Will the patristic lectures be linked to the library?
Thanks
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Thanks Craig, this is great news that you are including the Grail psalms. Will there be an option for other translations also?
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An additional feature that would be useful would be a pre-defined highlight template/palette for pointing the psalms for plainsong - Sarum and Gregorian at least. If designed using only standard typographic features, it could have the additional new feature of being able to be included in the exported print file.
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Would they be able to do that without turning it into a different product altogether? (Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re asking)
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David Wanat said:
Would they be able to do that without turning it into a different product altogether? (Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re asking)
I've added a word to my post to correct your misunderstanding. I am not asking FL to point the psalms. I am asking for a predefined highlighting template/palette so that the user can point and print a psalm.
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Ah, that makes much more sense. Thanks for explaining.
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We are doing testing and reworking of the Verbum Liturgy of the Hours now. This is such an important resource that we want to get it right before we release.
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Here's a preview, but keep in mind that this is not the final version:
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Looks good. Will we have the Dashboard linking us to the specific Hours of the day, similar to what we have with the Missal now?
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Thanks! Could you post a picture of the psalms, please? It is just to check if they are linked to other resources as well.
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If you mean, “choose your own version,” I think it has to be the approved version
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David Wanat said:
If you mean, “choose your own version,” I think it has to be the approved version
The Liturgy of the Hours book is in use by a number of Anglicans who have different "approved" versions. And when not prayed in community, a great deal of flexibility is allowed.
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I was under the impression that this was the English translation of the official Catholic Liturgy of the Hours.
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Is it ready or is it still being finished off?
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David Wanat said:
I was under the impression that this was the English translation of the official Catholic Liturgy of the Hours.
But nevertheless it would be fine to have direct access to hebrew and greek, besides other languages. And besides, as far as I know, the official hymns are not the same everywhere.
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Manuel Maria said:
But nevertheless it would be fine to have direct access to hebrew and greek, besides other languages. And besides, as far as I know, the official hymns are not the same everywhere.
As I see it, it's a question of what they're allowed to do with the work. Would these things modify the work. I think we'll find that it's going to have the same requirements to follow the text as the Missal if they want it to be approved for official use.
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David Wanat said:Manuel Maria said:
But nevertheless it would be fine to have direct access to hebrew and greek, besides other languages. And besides, as far as I know, the official hymns are not the same everywhere.
As I see it, it's a question of what they're allowed to do with the work. Would these things modify the work. I think we'll find that it's going to have the same requirements to follow the text as the Missal if they want it to be approved for official use.
As I understand it, it is a copy of the four volume printed Liturgy of the Hours. However, there are multiple copyrights involved - Liturgy of the Hours only text, Bible text, Psalter text, and hundreds of hymn and reading copyrights. I would not expect Faithlife to have bought additional rights to the Bible and Grail Psalms. Therefore, they will be pulling those from existing licensing ... hence, they have the ability to also allow other versions to be called in to reflect countries other than the US. Mind you, I am not a lawyer so I could be wrong on this.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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What I can't see from this excerpt:
- Are the rubrics in red as in the Missal?
- Where do I set the translation for the Bible readings and the Psalms/Canticles?
- Are the Canticles in the Grail version available in Verbum?
- I assume that the link to the Fathers is by reference so that my highest priority translation is selected.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:David Wanat said:Manuel Maria said:
But nevertheless it would be fine to have direct access to hebrew and greek, besides other languages. And besides, as far as I know, the official hymns are not the same everywhere.
As I see it, it's a question of what they're allowed to do with the work. Would these things modify the work. I think we'll find that it's going to have the same requirements to follow the text as the Missal if they want it to be approved for official use.
As I understand it, it is a copy of the four volume printed Liturgy of the Hours. However, there are multiple copyrights involved - Liturgy of the Hours only text, Bible text, Psalter text, and hundreds of hymn and reading copyrights. I would not expect Faithlife to have bought additional rights to the Bible and Grail Psalms. Therefore, they will be pulling those from existing licensing ... hence, they have the ability to also allow other versions to be called in to reflect countries other than the US. Mind you, I am not a lawyer so I could be wrong on this.
I understand. My interest goes as far as it can be approved for official use in the Church. So my questions and comments reflect that.
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David Wanat said:Andrew Wolfe said:
I went to the order page, but I don't see anything of the 'prayer interface.' I really hope that you truly have a "streamlined" approach with no flipping and jumping, but I don't want to drop $90 hoping that you did it better than the free breviaries out there. What makes this better than the free apps?
I’ll be happy if it works like the Missal, but we’ll see. Hopefully we’ll get the preview before we get the bill
I'm quite a newb to all of this as I have never used the four volume set, but was introduced to the Christian Prayer book when I took part in daily life at John Michael Talbot's Little Portion hermitage/monastery. And that was/is still confusing. My solution was in discovering www.divineoffice.org and then getting their app. everything flowed in order as it should which made it far more devotional and enjoyable for me. will this have similar function? Was hard for me to determine that from the screenshots above.
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Friedrich said:
everything flowed in order as it should which made it far more devotional and enjoyable for me. will this have similar function?
I would doubt it as it was advertised as the resource "The Liturgy of the Hours" not as a new tool or workflow.
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MJ. Smith said:Friedrich said:
everything flowed in order as it should which made it far more devotional and enjoyable for me. will this have similar function?
I would doubt it as it was advertised as the resource "The Liturgy of the Hours" not as a new tool or workflow.
Martha, I'm not really sure what you are saying...nor what I am saying for that matter. I thought that CP was a condensed Liturgy of the Hours, or am I wrong on that? And my only point was that my referenced website and their app collate the morning, midday, evening, night etc elements of each prayer set: Psalms, antiphons, etc.
I'd like a simple way to engage in the prayers. Maybe that is beyond what LOH is about and how people, who know it, would use it. (ie, they might be fine flipping back and forth) I was just curious. I use the Divine Office app a lot, as it has people reading the prayers and one can follow along with them, praying "communally," even if alone.
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Let my try again ... sometimes being too familiar with something hampers communication.
Yes, you are correct that Christian Prayer is a condensed Liturgy of the Hours. And the ribbons and page flipping necessary to follow Christian Prayer also occurs in the Liturgy of the Hours. Yes, ribbon placement is a basic Catholic skill for Mass and Prayer - every reader, server, or liturgical prayer participant has to master it.
What I was saying was that FL advertised this as a resource book ... it will be like the hard copy of the Christian Prayer but without ribbons or the ability to place your fingers between pages to mark your place. If FL was producing something similar to the website you reference or the related app, they would have advertised a tool or minimally a workflow that provide the collated prayer flow.
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MJ. Smith said:
Let my try again ... sometimes being too familiar with something hampers communication.
Yes, you are correct that Christian Prayer is a condensed Liturgy of the Hours. And the ribbons and page flipping necessary to follow Christian Prayer also occurs in the Liturgy of the Hours. Yes, ribbon placement is a basic Catholic skill for Mass and Prayer - every reader, server, or liturgical prayer participant has to master it.
What I was saying was that FL advertised this as a resource book ... it will be like the hard copy of the Christian Prayer but without ribbons or the ability to place your fingers between pages to mark your place. If FL was producing something similar to the website you reference or the related app, they would have advertised a tool or minimally a workflow that provide the collated prayer flow.
thanks...and likely, they should.
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MJ. Smith said:
What I can't see from this excerpt:
- Are the rubrics in red as in the Missal?
Actually, you can see that. For example, "SECOND READING", "(Cat. 21 [...]", the "--" before "Be glad", and "Baptism is a symbol of Christ's passion" are all red in the physical text and not-red in the preview.
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Ok, I went to check on the progress, and when I clicked on the link, this came up:
A glitch on the site? Or a problem with the resource?
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David Wanat said:
A glitch on the site? Or a problem with the resource?
Still comes up when I go to: https://verbum.com/product/188341/the-liturgy-of-the-hours-according-to-the-roman-rite
It still indicates "In Production"
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That link worked. Must be the Logos site. Assuming they haven’t fixed it already.
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I understand the new edition of the LOTH has just been approved. They always take years to publish, I just wish work on this edition hadn't progressed, because soon we will have to use the soon to be released version.
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
soon to be released version
While you may have more insight than me on this, I laugh a bit since I was advised by a catholic book store in 2000 to not buy it because i new version was almost out and I would be wasting my money. Now I am quite sure it will be out sooner than later since I know the latin update is done, I still have not heard of a firm date for the new english version yet (that doesn't mean there isn't one just not one i am aware of).
-dan
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Many of the updates in the second edition from the last decade can be found here:
http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/liturgy-of-the-hours/liturgy-of-the-hours-second-edition.cfm
I believe I read recently (though I can't find it now) that the aim was for the new LOTH English to be published in 2022.
USCCB acquired rights to the Rev. Grail Psalms (hence no longer available for purchase in Verbum) and have renamed them as Abbey Psalms and Canticles. I'd be glad for this resource to find its way into Verbum.
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Dan Francis said:
While you may have more insight than me on this, I laugh a bit since I was advised by a catholic book store in 2000 to not buy it because i new version was almost out and I would be wasting my money. Now I am quite sure it will be out sooner than later since I know the latin update is done, I still have not heard of a firm date for the new english version yet (that doesn't mean there isn't one just not one i am aware of).
-dan
Reminds me of how long it took the Third Edition of the Roman Missal to be printed after it was approved.
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David Wanat said:Dan Francis said:
While you may have more insight than me on this, I laugh a bit since I was advised by a catholic book store in 2000 to not buy it because i new version was almost out and I would be wasting my money. Now I am quite sure it will be out sooner than later since I know the latin update is done, I still have not heard of a firm date for the new english version yet (that doesn't mean there isn't one just not one i am aware of).
-dan
Reminds me of how long it took the Third Edition of the Roman Missal to be printed after it was approved.
I don't think they're quite done approving quite all of the new translations for the new edition of LotH yet.
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The new edition Liturgy of the Hours has been "three years away" for a long time, and my guess is that it's three years away from truly being three years away.
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The new edition Liturgy of the Hours has been "three years away" for a long time, and my guess is that it's three years away from truly being three years away.
I think the Third Edition of the Roman Missal took close to ten years after the expected date, so entirely possible.
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Just saw the the Latin edition of Liturgia Horarum just went up for pre-order.
Hopefully this gathers interest fast. I would love to have the Latin and English set in Verbum.
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