March Madness is live

Mark Smith

March Madness 2020 is live. Just a couple hundred votes so far.

The Verbum site is here.

I like this format, choosing individual resources and sets rather than authors. Go vote if you haven't.

There's a separate Mobile Ed bracket, too, which was a wise decision.

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Wild Eagle

This year it will be easier for my wallet. I already owe about 70% of it. Most of votes are skipped because I owe them and other ones have choice between owed vs not owed

Paul Caneparo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090078#Comment_1090078

This year it will be easier for my wallet. I already owe about 70% of it. Most of votes are skipped because I owe them and other ones have choice between owed vs not owed

Agree. I'm only interested in the ZEC set because I have all but two volumes in the set as it's being offered. Shame it hasn't been updated to include the two latest volumes.

It's good they try different formats though. My favourite was last year, but only because the rules changed and they made individual commentaries available.

Bill Shewmaker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090081#Comment_1090081

I was so looking forward to March Madness...however, unless you happen to know all of the abbreviated titles, there is no clue to what you are voting on. I tried to hover my mouse over a title...NOTHING. So, I tried to do a search for the abbreviated title..."Title not found," The ones where I do know the title/abbreviations, I already have...guess I'm not going to vote/buy this year.

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090086#Comment_1090086

I like the format this week. Should be fun to see what happens.

Would anyone care to give any predictions?

David Wanat

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090086#Comment_1090086

I was so looking forward to March Madness...however, unless you happen to know all of the abbreviated titles, there is no clue to what you are voting on. I tried to hover my mouse over a title...NOTHING. So, I tried to do a search for the abbreviated title..."Title not found," The ones where I do know the title/abbreviations, I already have...guess I'm not going to vote/buy this year.

if you click on the bracket to vote, you’ll see the titles in detail for you to choose from.

Robert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090091#Comment_1090091

I was so looking forward to March Madness...however, unless you happen to know all of the abbreviated titles, there is no clue to what you are voting on. I tried to hover my mouse over a title...NOTHING. So, I tried to do a search for the abbreviated title..."Title not found," The ones where I do know the title/abbreviations, I already have...guess I'm not going to vote/buy this year.

if you click on the bracket to vote, you’ll see the titles in detail for you to choose from.

Agree David - and Bill, if you click on the right arrow on the matchup screen when you are done voting the first bracket, you will advance to the next, and on through all the 1st-round matchups. Grace and peace. <><

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090086#Comment_1090086

unless you happen to know all of the abbreviated titles, there is no clue to what you are voting on.

Bill, click on one of the pairs in the competition and it will open another window with the information you are seeking.

Initially I wondered about this, too, but once I clicked on one pair of titles and my questions were answered.

Bill Shewmaker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090100#Comment_1090100

Thank you all for the info. I wasn't going to click on anything before I knew what I was voting for.

Bill Shewmaker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090102#Comment_1090102

I have clicked on all brackets...and nothing!

Bill Shewmaker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090105#Comment_1090105

Verbum works for me, but not Logos.

Michael Wood

Out of curiosity, do the verbum discounts also apply to logos users in the store? Or, if you buy verbum products, will they appear in your logos library? I don't know how faithlife has those set-up, but some of the resources in the verbum bracket (i.e. summa theologica) look pretty great to have.

Danny Parker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090114#Comment_1090114

If you buy a 'Verbum store' book, it will appear in both your Verbum library (if you have one) and in your logos library. Separate store, but integrated license.

I'm not sure if the Verbum discount will show up in the Logos store. But you can buy it on the Verbum store and the logos library will be updated.

Michael Wood

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090116#Comment_1090116

Awesome! Thanks for that. I'll be voting for some more books!

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090117#Comment_1090117

I chose not to vote this year--I probably won't buy either--because I'm not fond of clicking away my privacy.

Small Heath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090106#Comment_1090106

Verbum works for me, but not Logos.

You probably need to be signed in.

Bill Shewmaker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090122#Comment_1090122

Dale,

I am (and have been) signed in. I can vote in Verbum and Mobile Ed, just not Logos. I guess I'll be saving quite a bit of $$ this spring.

DAL

I'm rooting for the Zondervan Enclopedia of the Bible 5 volumes! Any other great deal is welcomed too. I'm glad both EBC original and revised are included in the match ups for those who don't have either or.

DAL

Jan Krohn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090090#Comment_1090090

Would anyone care to give any predictions?

Based on the winner of the first two or three March Madnesses: D.A. Carson library.

David Wanat

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090105#Comment_1090105

I have clicked on all brackets...and nothing!

i had this problem on Safari (iPad) but Chrome worked

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090105#Comment_1090105

I have clicked on all brackets...and nothing!

I had that same problem using Safari on Mac OS. Accessed the site with Chrome, and was able to vote.

Liam Maguire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090296#Comment_1090296

Any word from faithlife as to whether the individual titles in the sets will be discounted too? They did it last year...

Paul Caneparo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090297#Comment_1090297

Any word from faithlife as to whether the individual titles in the sets will be discounted too? They did it last year...

That would be nice. I can't see I'll buy any sets unless I only have one or two books not owned. Otherwise the sets will be out of my price range even if heavily discounted.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090296#Comment_1090296

Only Verbum worked for me on Chrome. I had to go to Firefox to get the site to work. I shouldn't have bothered.

This is the most disappointing March Madness ever. There was only one product I voted on in the Logos Bracket and that is only because I hadn't picked upon the latest commentaries in that set. Every other set on offer I already own. The Mobile Ed and Overbuy brackets weren't much better.

The majority of what is on offer has been in base packages in the past or dirt cheap on community pricing. I'm really surprised on some of the titles that they are even in March Madness let alone the fact they look like they are going to get through Round 1. I wonder if people had not cleaned up their wishlist's and left sets on their they had purchase sine they added it to their wish list but had not removed it if FL still counted those as votes. Because seriously I can not see how some of these sets were so wanted when they have been around in Logos and base packages for years and at very cheap prices in the past or as part of base packages.

March Madness 2020 is a lose-lose. There is the very real possibility I will buy nothing from this years 'competition' and so both Faithlife and I loose.

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090334#Comment_1090334

This is a great opportunity for many newer customers that are looking to build their libraries that may not have the years of purchasing many of these resources. I hope many of them find some good deals.

Jan Krohn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090334#Comment_1090334

This is hardly a reason to complain, since it was us, the users, who decided which bundles would compete. [:(]

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090353#Comment_1090353

I am questioning why users choose these bundles so get off your high horse. I did not ask you for your opinion, I was simply providing an alternative voice on why this approach is not a useful one as it excludes long term customers who have been strong supporters of this company.

You do not have the right to tell me I don’t have a valid reason for expressing why this years March Madness is a disappointment. I did not choose any of these bundles. And if you are offended by me expressing an alternative view or telling you that you have overstepped the mark in your response that is your issue you need to deal with. I am comfortable I have done nothing wrong.

This is hardly a reason to complain, since it was us, the users, who decided which bundles would compete.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090353#Comment_1090353

This is hardly a reason to complain, since it was us, the users, who decided which bundles would compete.

I hardly believe that users chose 100% of the bundles. Who wants to see public domain resources like Calvin in a March Madness competition? Nothing against Calvin, I own his commentaries, but really...users picked him? I don’t think so. Reminds me of the same charade for a Black Friday years ago, where users could choose the top resources they wanted to be heavily discounted and the discounts were not heavy at all and the top resources on sale were the Bible Knowledge Commentary along with other lower tiered resources. No premium resources were offered.

The way I see it, FL has to keep some sort of balanced to sell to new users who are dying to have Calvin commentaries in their new cool software and old users who are mostly interested in a few premium resources because they already own most of what they want or need.

But, did users choose everything, I doubt that.

DAL

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090371#Comment_1090371

The following product is available somewhere around 20 base packages, as low as Orthodox starter and yet is somehow one of the highest wishlisted Verbum products. Seriously???

https://www.logos.com/product/7832/early-church-fathers-special-catholic-edition

This is hardly a reason to complain, since it was us, the users, who decided which bundles would compete.

I hardly believe that users chose 100% of the bundles. Who wants to see public domain resources like Calvin in a March Madness competition? Nothing against Calvin, I own his commentaries, but really...users picked him? I don’t think so. Reminds me of the same charade for a Black Friday years ago, where users could choose the top resources they wanted to be heavily discounted and the discounts were not heavy at all and the top resources on sale were the Bible Knowledge Commentary along with other lower tiered resources. No premium resources were offered.

The way I see it, FL has to keep some sort of balanced to sell to new users who are dying to have Calvin commentaries in their new cool software and old users who are mostly interested in a few premium resources because they already own most of what they want or need.

But, did users choose everything, I doubt that.

DAL

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090375#Comment_1090375

The worst part is that if you own the protestant edition you automatically get the Catholic version for free and vice versa! 😂😂😂 There’s gotta be a glitch somewhere 😂😂😂

The following product is available somewhere around 20 base packages, as low as Orthodox starter and yet is somehow one of the highest wishlisted Verbum products. Seriously???

https://www.logos.com/product/7832/early-church-fathers-special-catholic-edition

This is hardly a reason to complain, since it was us, the users, who decided which bundles would compete.

I hardly believe that users chose 100% of the bundles. Who wants to see public domain resources like Calvin in a March Madness competition? Nothing against Calvin, I own his commentaries, but really...users picked him? I don’t think so. Reminds me of the same charade for a Black Friday years ago, where users could choose the top resources they wanted to be heavily discounted and the discounts were not heavy at all and the top resources on sale were the Bible Knowledge Commentary along with other lower tiered resources. No premium resources were offered.

The way I see it, FL has to keep some sort of balanced to sell to new users who are dying to have Calvin commentaries in their new cool software and old users who are mostly interested in a few premium resources because they already own most of what they want or need.

But, did users choose everything, I doubt that.

DAL

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090376#Comment_1090376

There must have been a massive surge in people wishlisting this John Piper Collection since ‘Voting’ closed as it is on the front page of logos.com as one on the most wish listed resources yet does not appear in Round 1. Or there must be other restrictions FL has not disclosed on how titles were chosen to explain this situation.

The worst part is that if you own the protestant edition you automatically get the Catholic version for free and vice versa! 😂😂😂 There’s gotta be a glitch somewhere 😂😂😂

The following product is available somewhere around 20 base packages, as low as Orthodox starter and yet is somehow one of the highest wishlisted Verbum products. Seriously???

https://www.logos.com/product/7832/early-church-fathers-special-catholic-edition

This is hardly a reason to complain, since it was us, the users, who decided which bundles would compete.

I hardly believe that users chose 100% of the bundles. Who wants to see public domain resources like Calvin in a March Madness competition? Nothing against Calvin, I own his commentaries, but really...users picked him? I don’t think so. Reminds me of the same charade for a Black Friday years ago, where users could choose the top resources they wanted to be heavily discounted and the discounts were not heavy at all and the top resources on sale were the Bible Knowledge Commentary along with other lower tiered resources. No premium resources were offered.

The way I see it, FL has to keep some sort of balanced to sell to new users who are dying to have Calvin commentaries in their new cool software and old users who are mostly interested in a few premium resources because they already own most of what they want or need.

But, did users choose everything, I doubt that.

DAL

Small Heath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090384#Comment_1090384

None of my wishlist items made it, but that's OK. I bought too much last year at some great sales.[:)]

Kaleb Cuevas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090384#Comment_1090384

Hey Disciple II,

I assure you we included everything that came back on the report that was most wishlisted that we were allowed to include. Sometimes, publishers and contracts exclude specific resources from participating. Sorry for any confusion this might have caused.

There must have been a massive surge in people wishlisting this John Piper Collection since ‘Voting’ closed as it is on the front page of logos.com as one on the most wish listed resources yet does not appear in Round 1. Or there must be other restrictions FL has not disclosed on how titles were chosen to explain this situation.

Jan Krohn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090387#Comment_1090387

This is my only whishlisted item in the competition (apart from two courses which are clearly gonna drop out in the first round):

https://www.logos.com/product/5467/zondervan-encyclopedia-of-the-bible

At 60% off (around $90), I'd be seriously tempted. Has it ever been on a higher discount?

(But it's not gonna win anyway, because, D.A. Carson...)

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090460#Comment_1090460

So are you saying things were excluded without FL making that clear from the beginning that some wish listed items would be excluded? I do hope FL do not run things this way next year because it is a very poor offering for anyone who has been using the software for an extended period of time and supported the company well with prior purchases.

Hey Disciple II,

I assure you we included everything that came back on the report that was most wishlisted that we were allowed to include. Sometimes, publishers and contracts exclude specific resources from participating. Sorry for any confusion this might have caused.

There must have been a massive surge in people wishlisting this John Piper Collection since ‘Voting’ closed as it is on the front page of logos.com as one on the most wish listed resources yet does not appear in Round 1. Or there must be other restrictions FL has not disclosed on how titles were chosen to explain this situation.

Paul Caneparo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090485#Comment_1090485

Round 2 is live. Got my single vote in!!

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090499#Comment_1090499

I voted for every single round 2 to help some people out with the ones that had more votes. Round one had nothing for me, so I hope the good ones (for me) make it out of round 2 and into the championship rounds. I think I can predict the winner, but will hold off until the quarter finals

DAL

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090481#Comment_1090481

This is my only whishlisted item in the competition (apart from two courses which are clearly gonna drop out in the first round):

https://www.logos.com/product/5467/zondervan-encyclopedia-of-the-bible

At 60% off (around $90), I'd be seriously tempted. Has it ever been on a higher discount?

Unfortunately it didn't make it past round 1.

Jan Krohn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090520#Comment_1090520

Unfortunately it didn't make it past round 1.

It was a close call though.

I'll pass and wait for a better deal.

Paul Caneparo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090521#Comment_1090521

Generally it looks like commentary sets are leading the way. It seems slightly odd that the NIC set is getting so many votes when the winner gets a 60% discount and until very recently we could buy the individual volumes we wanted at $19.99 which was around that discount or more.

JC54

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090548#Comment_1090548

Generally it looks like commentary sets are leading the way. It seems slightly odd that the NIC set is getting so many votes when the winner gets a 60% discount and until very recently we could buy the individual volumes we wanted at $19.99 which was around that discount or more.

Here's a thought: maybe MM has a different public. I know some lukewarm Logosians, they do not check the website so much. Generally they know about: FBOTM, MM, BF, Christmas sales. The others they hardly ever notice.

Maybe it is that. Most people active on the forums have a library ánd know of every single sale (I do), but for MM maybe a whole different set of Logos users appears. That would explain some suprising things this MM.

Jon

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090548#Comment_1090548

Even at 19.99 each though, a lot of the NIC volumes were only in the 30-40% off range. I bought all of them that were 50% off or more at $19.99, but there are still quite a few more that I’d like to buy that didn’t hit that. Also, II Samuel was $29.99, but since it’s included in the set here would have a much bigger discount on it if NIC were to make it to later rounds or win.

Jan Krohn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090594#Comment_1090594

Ooops... shame on me.

I voted for NIC (only in the second round) because I prefer it over AYB, and completely forgot about the recent sale.

Plip

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090594#Comment_1090594

Also, II Samuel was $29.99, but since it’s included in the set here would have a much bigger discount on it if NIC were to make it to later rounds or win.

That was my reasoning, too. 2 Samuel is the only volume of NIC I don't have. And I had it in my cart at $29.99, but changed my mind.

The dynamic price for NIC (when you already own everything except that one volume) is $37.50. So even if it loses to ZEC in the next round, it would be 45% off, or $20.63. And if it wins the whole tournament, it'll be $15.

I wouldn't begrudge anyone the larger discount on a bigger bundle just so I can save $10 or $15 on this. But it is probably the one resource I'm certain to buy, so I'll keep voting for it as long as it's in the running.

Paul Caneparo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090635#Comment_1090635

Round 3 has started and round 2 deals are live.

My prediction is that NIC Vs ZEC sets will be the most closely fought.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090881#Comment_1090881

I wish they would update the ZEC... Obadiah (update: and Jonah) revised should be in it but it is all be its lonesome

Jan Krohn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090881#Comment_1090881

And there's some configuration error in the apologetics collection that's on sale now.

I already own the College Press Resurrection Collection. Therefore, the dynamic pricing doesn't seem to be correct for me.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090883#Comment_1090883

Really, the NSBT is beating the EBC Revised edition, but the EBC original is winning against NIGTC — How is that possible?

And yes, the dynamic pricing is off on the apologetics bundle.

DAL

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090883#Comment_1090883

I already own the College Press Resurrection Collection. Therefore, the dynamic pricing doesn't seem to be correct for me.

+1 replicated for Apologetics Collection showing College Press Resurrection Collection as unowned (while product page shows owned).

Edit: Total Value does not include College Press Resurrection Collection

Keep Smiling [:)]

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090885#Comment_1090885

I have no ponies in this race but this is the most non-sensical March Madness FL has drawn up. So nothing surprise in the voting outcomes.

Really, the NSBT is beating the EBC Revised edition, but the EBC original is winning against NIGTC — How is that possible?

And yes, the dynamic pricing is off on the apologetics bundle.

DAL

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1090890#Comment_1090890

I'm looking forward to discounted TDOT... been waiting for that for a while.

I do wish Logos would update some of the collections though. The ZEC set is missing several volumes that have been out for a while and are sold separately in Logos... they just need to be added to the set. Same w/ the Tyndale commentaries though they didn't make this sale.