Systematic Theology (Revised Edition) by Wayne Grudem

Michael Bird also has an updated edition of his Evangelical Theology coming out in October. Whilst Wayne Grudem's update is for a book that has been out many years and seems to have many updates, Michael Bird's book has only been out around 8 years and I haven't been able to see whether it's more of a minor update. Does anyone know any more?

I have the original in another software and wouldn't wish to buy the updated one if it's virtually the same as the original. Given how recent the original is, I suspect it may not be a significant update. The page count is only 8 pages more, which could just be an updated bibliography. I haven't found anything online that helps.

https://www.logos.com/product/190416/evangelical-theology-second-edition-a-biblical-and-systematic-introduction

Robert Neely said:

Paul Caneparo said:

Michael Bird also has an updated edition of his Evangelical Theology coming out in October. Whilst Wayne Grudem's update is for a book that has been out many years and seems to have many updates, Michael Bird's book has only been out around 8 years and I haven't been able to see whether it's more of a minor update. Does anyone know any more?

Thanks. That's very useful. I'm not sure the pre-pub discount is high enough to tempt me know, but it sounds as though it might be worth getting with a birthday voucher.

From his patheos blog   https://www.patheos.com/blogs/euangelion/2019/01/my-publishing-pipeline-for-2019-20/ 

Evangelical Theology second edition, I’ve had so much good feedback on this volume, so hopefully I’ve made a good thing even better. I’ve cut out and condensed a lot of material. More on the nature of theology, Trinity, kingdom-through-covenant, and multi-site churches. Plus more interaction with female and global scholars. And lots and lots of gospelizing.

nl said:

"Updated, fuller analysis of several recent controversies within evangelicalism, including the eternal relationship between the Father and the Son in the Trinity"

Has he changed his mind on eternal subordination??

Grudem has changed his mind on eternal generation, but still teaches subordination. 

I've just listened to Mobile Ed: TH361 Perspectives on the Trinity: Eternal Generation and Subordination in Tension where Grudem expounds his revised thinking - alongside Kevin Giles, Millard J. Erickson, Fred Sanders and Bruce Ware. 

I know this subject generates a lot of heat, but whilst some take a very firm line, I felt they were all trying to stay true to the Bible and they all agree on the fundamentals of salvation. Equally they all believe in Father, Son and Holy Spirit being equally and fully God. It gave me a new respect for nuanced differences of opinion on this area - especially as the Trinity is one of the biggest mysteries of the Christian faith.

Robert Neely said:

Paul Caneparo said:

Michael Bird also has an updated edition of his Evangelical Theology coming out in October. Whilst Wayne Grudem's update is for a book that has been out many years and seems to have many updates, Michael Bird's book has only been out around 8 years and I haven't been able to see whether it's more of a minor update. Does anyone know any more?

From his patheos blog   https://www.patheos.com/blogs/euangelion/2019/01/my-publishing-pipeline-for-2019-20/ 

Evangelical Theology second edition, I’ve had so much good feedback on this volume, so hopefully I’ve made a good thing even better. I’ve cut out and condensed a lot of material. More on the nature of theology, Trinity, kingdom-through-covenant, and multi-site churches. Plus more interaction with female and global scholars. And lots and lots of gospelizing.

Michael Bird in reply to a Tweet I sent him asking him how significant the update is tells me: "lots of new content, I cut out 50K and wrote a new 100K. New stuff on method, Trinity, salvation, humanity, and church. More diverse footnotes."

Ted Hans said:

Hey Paul,

Thanks for the pointer, I was not aware of Eaton Systematic. I am not sure when this will be available in Logos so amazon here I come.

Kind regards

Paul Caneparo said:

A book I'd to love to see in Logos is The Plan and Purpose of God by Dr Michael Eaton. His "No Condemnation" book is releasing out of pre-pub shortly. He would have seen Packer, Motyer and Lloyd-Jones as his mentors and teachers. 

I had to buy my copy from South Africa. It's 3 A4 sized books! Not user friendly and won't even fit on my bookshelves. 

You can listen to the talks on which the book was based.

https://www.michaeleaton.org/whole-counsel-of-god

Ted Hans said:

Paul Caneparo said:

I had to buy my copy from South Africa. It's 3 A4 sized books! Not user friendly and won't even fit on my bookshelves. 

Ah got you, thanks for the info

Just edited my previous post. You can listen to the talks on which the book was based here:

https://www.michaeleaton.org/whole-counsel-of-god

I'm assuming from your profile picture an interest in Martyn Lloyd Jones and maybe Westminster Chapel. Did you used to hear Michael there?

Ted Hans said:

Paul Caneparo said:

Just edited my previous post. You can listen to the talks on which the book was based here:

https://www.michaeleaton.org/whole-counsel-of-god

I'm assuming from your profile picture an interest in Martyn Lloyd Jones and maybe Westminster Chapel. Did you used to hear Michael there?

Yes I head him in the school of theology when RT was the pastor. He was very encyclopedic in a good sense and a man on fire for God was my Impression of him.

Martyn Lloyd Jones is my favourite Preacher. 

Great. I used to go to the Chapel for the School of Theology too, plus the midweek lunchtime service. When possible I used to go to the Sunday evening service too. MLJ, RT and Michael Eaton are my favourite preachers. I have every RT and Michael book - except one published in India, although I nearly managed to get that one. Michael's last sermon was amazing. He almost literally died preaching.