Yes there was a big hullabaloo over this. My understanding is that Logos originally produced the line by line version (way before my time). People started asking (over the course of years and years and years) for a paragraph version. Logos, (again, after many many years) finally produced the paragraph version users were asking for, but I guess they assumed EVERYONE wanted a paragraph version. So rather than providing the paragraph version as a separate resource, they converted the line by line version into a paragraph version (I was here for this part). This of course caused an uproar with people who love the line by line version because now their line by line version was gone and the 1-verse-at-a-time visual filter in Logos didn't give them the same quality of results in terms of appearance. But there were many of us (myself included) that didn't want to lose the paragraph version, so Logos finally relented and returned the original to the line by line format and offered the paragraph version for free as a separate resource. And thus we have two NASBs with the identical1995 text--one line by line version, and one paragraph version.

I hope they provide a paragraph version for the NASB20. They're probably not going to want to have to produce two versions but I fear they'll have too if they don't want to have another uproar.

DIsciple II said:

Kiyah said:

hullabaloo

I know you mean well,  but please do not call something you clearly have no knowledge about a  “big hullabaloo”.

To start with Faithlife did not produce the original version. The Lockman foundation produced it with formatting / layout choices that were specific and unique to that resource. 

New users who had no understanding of the specific features of this resource demanded a change to the resource to suit them. Faithlife wrongly went and changed this resource to suit the people make a noise and in the process destroyed what made this unique and was part of the reason people purchased it in the first place. In doing so they showed total disrespect to users who bought the resource for its original formatting and layout features.The  “big hullabaloo” as you unhelpfully want to call it was users whom both Faithlife and other users whom previously had no need to make a noise, made a noise and said Faithlife‘s action were not acceptable. They came to see they had done the wrong thing and came up with the compromise solution we now have. 

The 2020 version will be a new resource and Faithlife will be free to produce it as they see fit, by bringing it up you further show a lack of understanding of the issues of the previous version.

I witnessed the hullabaloo right here on these forums. When I said produced, I meant that Logos produced the logos edition.

Please do not lecture me on these forums. I know we're all tired of being stuck at the house but no one on these forums is one of your children (certainly not me). If you have a different perspective on what happened you could have just stated that without being condescending. I can comment on anything I wish to comment on and you can respectfully disagree without telling me whether I should have commented in the first place.

The fact is that the change from the line by line version to the paragraph version caused an uproar. That's what I meant, I wasn't saying they didn't have a good reason to be frustrated (I actually understood their frustration), I'm just saying it created a controversy that Logos could only resolve by having two versions. I was reading the forums during that time (and even gave some input)) so I do in fact know something about it. I was just recounting what happened to explain why there are two versions, I wasn't making a value-judgment on whether or not people should have reacted how they reacted.

I'm sorry the word "hullabaloo" triggered you so, but I simply meant that it caused a stir. It wasn't meant to be inflammatory. I'm not going to bother debating with you any further. Have a nice evening.

Well, I learned a new word today.  I’ll use it some day in a sentence.  BTW, no need to make a hullabaloo out of this thread.  Let’s resolve to just get along 👍😁👌

David Paul said:

Disciple II...you're attempt(s) to play Forum Cop are beginning to get out of hand.

And what are you playing at right now David ? I am not playing at anything.  I simply responded to this post and in particular Kiyah's post on it's merits.

I stated from the outset I realized Kiyah meant no harm but the post all the same was inaccurate and did contained inflammatory language.  And we ended our discussion on an agreement to leave the discussion there, we both expressed what we felt needed to be expressed and had move on from it.

No show to see, move on folks, except of course for David Paul who couldn't help but stir the pot further. 

Faithlife did grieve the silent users who were happy with the NASB95 as it was produced by the Lockman foundation. Faithlife broke their own rules and went ahead at took that file out of everyone's library and replaced it with something completely different because of noise from some quarters.  They wanted to reduce the noise and ignore the impact they would have on the one silent up until now because they were happy. But now not happy they were no longer silent.  And you are rude enough to say all they were doing is creating a 'hullabaloo' over nothing.  It that is the case, if your dictionary definition is what it was about then FL should have ignored the people who made the original 'hullabaloo', as you define it, over NASB95 not being in paragraph format and stuck to their golden rule of always producing resources based on the file format provided to them. If the issue was nothing and FL did that, we would not be having this discussion. But no they ignore that rule to not change the file formatting provided to them by publishers and caused themselves a massive headache on what to do to fix the problem they created and along with the resulting division amongst users on the forums which you want to now continue because you see yourself superior, while Kiyah and I had already put it to bed. 

You should no better than to suggest that the lexical meaning in a dictionary is the be all and end all when it comes to language. Context trumps the basic lexical meaning of any word and it has been used in the discussion of this topic to belittle those silent users form who FL took something from them they had purchased and replaced it with something that was less than what they had purchased. And if you David Paul somehow see yourself superior to those who wanted the NASB95 kept as they purchased it, then take note of your namesake the Apostle Paul, you are the one that needs to make concessions to those whom you consider your 'weaker' brother and not the other way around as you are saying should be the case with your contextually inflammatory usage of certain words.

I will continue to respond to posts on their merit nothing more, nothing less, you are no more the forum cop than I am. So practice what you want to preach to others rather than contradicting yourself. And next time, put your dictionary down and consider the impact of words upon people based on the context in which they are used and how they will receive those words a result of that context.

David Paul said:

Wow, what a mess.

One might even call it a...hullabaloo. Sorry couldn't resist.

I was just listening to how Panama they have imposed gender based quarantine measures which cause confusion amongst those who identified as transgender or gender free - this is the real mess in the world we live that is happening right now - not the rubbish you two want to drum up over past events that have been dealt with and adds no value to anyone except to make yourselves feel a little bit smugger for the next few moments. Boost up your pride in yourself at the expense of other people you don't know no, and given you want to continue it, if I were you two right now I'd be more concerned about the state of your heart, the fact you think its appropriate to continue in this vein rather than to pull your head in and cut out this behaviour

But no, you two people consider it appropriate to belittle people who stood up to FL when they broke trust with those customers and took something out of their libraries and replaced it with something that was not what the publisher had provided to them and thus not what used had paid to license from the publisher. FL is the middle man in the transaction and had no right to act in that manner. They not only broke not only their agreement with the customer but also the publisher.

I pity you both that this is the state of your souls. 

Kiyah said:

David Paul said:

Wow, what a mess.

One might even call it a...hullabaloo. Sorry couldn't resist.

David Paul said:

I was thinking train wreck, but yeah, hullabaloo fits, and that's the whole point.

Disciple II...dude...the reason I find your outbursts so annoying is because you are not just preaching to the choir, but you can't seem to tell that you are. First, you clearly have a perception fault about the word "hullabaloo"...you keep attaching the word "just" to it, as if the word is inherently dismissive of the subject matter being discussed. IT ISN'T. On this and other issues, you have demonstrated that you have a processing fault in your programming. You keep responding to me and others as though we issued FL a total carte blanche pass regarding how they handled the "verse vs. paragraph" issue, even though I explicitly said in a previous post that I was one of the most vocal in demanding they restore the NASB verse-by-verse format because that is what we paid for. And, of course, they did. At the time, it was a problem that generated a lot of emotional heat, i.e. a hullabaloo. There are a few dozen other words that could be used to describe that situation, but "hullabaloo" is perfectly accurate and acceptable. And no, I didn't go easy on FL, as you keep assuming and insisting. I don't recall with perfect accuracy, but I may have even intimated that I would consider a class action suit to get the v-b-v restored (or maybe I was just thinking it), because having the v-b-v is really that important to me. I would rather go through this whole COVID-19 debacle, and even contract the disease, than lose my v-b-v NASB. But--and this really is the point--FL stepped up, once they realized how its customers felt, and restored the NASB to it original state, in addition to offering the paragraph version.

I never begrudged anyone getting a paragraph version if that's what they wanted. I'm happy for Jacob and others that they got something more useful to them. I do seem to recall a few paragraph advocates dismissing the need for the v-b-v version because they didn't like it and didn't want it and wanted to keep the remodel that FL created. People often act like people--no surprise there. But FL resolved the problem...after the forum was thrown into the kind of disarray caused by A HULLABALOO. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's all good and water under the bridge. Let's just let it lie.