Logos 8 Upgrade Packages
I'm looking for some advice. I'm considering upgrading from the Free L8 to Bronze as there's a promotion at present with 30% off. I'm quite tempted by two of the Bronze packages. My questions are:
1. If I buy 2 packages does dynamic pricing apply as there would be a fair bit of overlap - I assume "yes"?
2. Could I expect to get 30% off both packages?
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Shalom Paul!
If you want to buy more than one base package I would advise you to contact a sales representative at Faithlife. Someone from Sales will be able to calculate the dynamic pricing and tell you in advance how much you have to pay for a combination of two (or more) base backages.
Edit: Just to be clear, the answer to both of your questions would be "yes".
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HJ. van der Wal said:
Shalom Paul!
If you want to buy more than one base package I would advise you to contact a sales representative at Faithlife. Someone from Sales will be able to calculate the dynamic pricing and tell you in advance how much you have to pay for a combination of two (or more) base backages.
Thanks. I was thinking of doing that. Do you think it's possible the 30% will apply off a combined order?
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Paul Caneparo said:
Thanks. I was thinking of doing that. Do you think it's possible the 30% will apply off a combined order?
Yes (I just edited my first reply).
When Logos 8 first came out I bought several base packages and the discount applied to the entire order.
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Paul Caneparo said:
I'm looking for some advice. I'm considering upgrading from the Free L8 to Bronze as there's a promotion at present with 30% off. I'm quite tempted by two of the Bronze packages. My questions are:
1. If I buy 2 packages does dynamic pricing apply as there would be a fair bit of overlap - I assume "yes"?
2. Could I expect to get 30% off both packages?
The proven best way to buy base packages is to by the smaller one first, then the next level up, then the next, etc... until you get to the level you want to end at. I know it sounds crazy, but I did the Messianic purchases that way after getting advice on the forums and it definitely works. I will find the thread for you. Buy one by one from the smallest to the largest for the biggest discount. Sales will not advise or does not know that it works this way.
I found the thread here.
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Joseph Turner said:Paul Caneparo said:
I'm looking for some advice. I'm considering upgrading from the Free L8 to Bronze as there's a promotion at present with 30% off. I'm quite tempted by two of the Bronze packages. My questions are:
1. If I buy 2 packages does dynamic pricing apply as there would be a fair bit of overlap - I assume "yes"?
2. Could I expect to get 30% off both packages?
The proven best way to buy base packages is to by the smaller one first, then the next level up, then the next, etc... until you get to the level you want to end at. I know it sounds crazy, but I did the Messianic purchases that way after getting advice on the forums and it definitely works. I will find the thread for you. Buy one by one from the smallest to the largest for the biggest discount. Sales will not advise or does not know that it works this way.
Thanks Joseph. I was thinking of 2 different Bronze packages as they have different commentary sets at incredible prices, but it's good to know about future upgrades.
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Paul Caneparo said:
Thanks Joseph. I was thinking of 2 different Bronze packages as they have different commentary sets at incredible prices, but it's good to know about future upgrades.
I did somewhat misread your original post, but keep in mind if you are going to Bronze then you will need starter as well, so you should get starter first and then bronze. Which two Bronze Packages are you looking at?
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Paul Caneparo said:
Thanks Joseph. I was thinking of 2 different Bronze packages as they have different commentary sets at incredible prices, but it's good to know about future upgrades.
Paul, this advice doesn't have to be limited to buying packages in order "up". It's more related to the percentage discount a BP will give you. Say your two packages give 83% and 87% discount, respectively. To minimize your spend you first buy the one with the higher discount.
However, since you would take the discount percentage for the new books you receive(i.e. dynamic price in relation of full price of the books not owned), not the one for all books, it may theoretically be the case that this percentage changes after the first buy. Typically it does not, and typically Logos sought to align those discounts anyway, so this all may be moot for you, but especially with expensive packages up the chain people found some dollars additional savings.
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Joseph Turner said:Paul Caneparo said:
Thanks Joseph. I was thinking of 2 different Bronze packages as they have different commentary sets at incredible prices, but it's good to know about future upgrades.
I did somewhat misread your original post, but keep in mind if you are going to Bronze then you will need starter as well, so you should get starter first and then bronze. Which two Bronze Packages are you looking at?
I was looking at the Bronze Standard as that has the Cornerstone, Holman NT and Calvin commentaries. Plus the Messianic Bronze as that has Wiersbe OT and Life Application commentaries.
Why would I need the Starter too? Doesn't Bronze come with the Starter resources? Unless it's because it's cheaper to buy starter and then bronze. But keen to get 30% off on everything.
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Yes, Paul, it is usually cheaper to buy starter first, and then bronze. You can ask customer service the price of upgrading. And, by the way, you will see deeper discounts on silver packages once you've purchased bronze.
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I am also currently using the free version and considering my first package purchase with the current sale. I want to get into a silver package. I chatted with customer service this morning and they said purchasing Starter, then Bronze, then Silver would Not be cheaper. Has anyone actually done this recently? I think I've read in the forums about people having mixed results with this - like this strategy may not work if you are buying for the first time.
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Keith Jenkins said:
I am also currently using the free version and considering my first package purchase with the current sale. I want to get into a silver package. I chatted with customer service this morning and they said purchasing Starter, then Bronze, then Silver would Not be cheaper. Has anyone actually done this recently? I think I've read in the forums about people having mixed results with this - like this strategy may not work if you are buying for the first time.
Josh Weaver from sales contacted me and was able to calculate the permutations for me. His email follows the standard Faithlife format.
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Keith Jenkins said:
I chatted with customer service this morning and they said purchasing Starter, then Bronze, then Silver would Not be cheaper. Has anyone actually done this recently? I think I've read in the forums about people having mixed results with this - like this strategy may not work if you are buying for the first time.
As linked above, my results were as follows:
Mine turned out as follows:
Starter 8.87 Purchased
Bronze 33.42 19.93 Purchased
Silver 87.21 66.50 36.24 Purchased
Gold 172.75 148.51 113.30 71.40 Purchased
Platinum 218.57 193.19 156.39 112.70 38.53 Purchased
Diamond 615.99 590.46 553.50 509.70 435.51 397.08
So basically, my original price for Platinum was 218.57, and I paid 174.97 by working up to it. I have not purchased Diamond, but my price would go from 615.99 to 572.05.
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Since the 30% discount is reusuable, it should be cheaper to do as Joseph suggests and purchase the smallest/largest discount first and then work your way up. Figure it out and then verify with CS. They should be able to compare all the variables for you.
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Whatever you do, only buy one package at a time or you will end up paying double for any overlapping resources.
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Another tactic I have used successfully is to purchase the BPs as Joseph suggests and if it doesn't work out to your advantage just return them and then repurchase them in a different way through CS. I have only had to return BPs once. Just remember that once you return something and then repurchase it, you can't return something twice, only once.
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I wanted to go for Portfolio, but I’m not sure I actually need it. Anchor Bible Commentaries are old, ICC are old, OTL and NTL are old and not even top 10. TDOT is old too and not as reliable anymore.
I may look into other BP’s during the sale, but as of now, I seem to be blessed and well equipped commentaries wise and other OL resources. I guess that’s what happens when you own a large library. Buy as needed and sometimes what I want if I can afford it 👍😁👌
DAL
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Perhaps I should have posted in this thread but I was so excited about my discount that I created a new thread before I realized it. - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/189811.aspx
Anyhow, I'd highly recommend that folks check out the packages - especially the denominational packages at the bottom of the sale page.
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Has it always been possible to just buy the library in base packages - rather than also upgrading the full feature set? Or am I seeing this for the first time because I have a trial subscription to Faithlife Connect?
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Not always - it began with L6 or L7 ...IIRC
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Paul Caneparo said:
Has it always been possible to just buy the library in base packages - rather than also upgrading the full feature set?
Yes, the feature set and the library have been sold separately since the launch of Logos 7.
Paul Caneparo said:Or am I seeing this for the first time because I have a trial subscription to Faithlife Connect?
Yes. Faithlife Connect subscribers see the library-only price by default, although they do get an option to also buy the feature set.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:Paul Caneparo said:
Has it always been possible to just buy the library in base packages - rather than also upgrading the full feature set?
Yes, the feature set and the library have been sold separately since the launch of Logos 7.
Paul Caneparo said:Or am I seeing this for the first time because I have a trial subscription to Faithlife Connect?
Yes. Faithlife Connect subscribers see the library-only price by default, although they do get an option to also buy the feature set.
That's really great to know. I'll keep an eye out for future upgrades now. I've always ignored them as I've only ever seen big ticket prices before. $40 made it worth upgrading my library.
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Nice! Is the daily deal visible now on the website?
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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After reading and researching the usefulness of the resources includes in Portfolio and another discount I was given, I pulled the trigger on the Portfolio Standard BP. The price was right and it added a little over 800 resources to my library, By the looks of it, my dynamic pricing will be very substantial when L9 comes out 👍😁👌
DAL
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DAL said:
After reading and researching the usefulness of the resources includes in Portfolio and another discount I was given, I pulled the trigger on the Portfolio Standard BP.
I think you will be pleased.
DAL said:By the looks of it, my dynamic pricing will be very substantial when L9 comes out
That is one very positive thing!
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Joseph Turner said:Keith Jenkins said:
I chatted with customer service this morning and they said purchasing Starter, then Bronze, then Silver would Not be cheaper. Has anyone actually done this recently? I think I've read in the forums about people having mixed results with this - like this strategy may not work if you are buying for the first time.
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So basically, my original price for Platinum was 218.57, and I paid 174.97 by working up to it. I have not purchased Diamond, but my price would go from 615.99 to 572.05.
There were previously intense discussions and theories on this. Logos then tried to prevent that complex upgrading strategies are cheaper than simply purchasing the one desired package. That's also what Customer Service still states.
However, it looks like there are still issues. I find it frustrating that I have to spend so much time trying to figure out the best upgrade path. A bigger package should come with a bigger discount.
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Hah! I literally just purchased Standard Portfolio and now I’m getting emails about upgrading to Collector’s BP!
And did I mention that right before I upgraded I was also getting emails about upgrading to Diamond Standard.
I don’t mind the emails, especially when they‘re offering an exclusive none advertised offer I won’t see online to upgrade to Collector’s. Unfortunately, collector’s has too many “collectors” classics. So no need to spend more. I’d rather save my money for when Logos 9 comes out 👍😁👌
DAL
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Armin said:
A bigger package should come with a bigger discount.
I have found that you get the best deal by moving up one package at a time. This assumes you aren't on a payment plan and all. FWIW, it doesn't appear to be a whole lot of savings, but it rewards you to look at your options carefully. I saved about $7 yesterday by simply doing two steps instead of one. Not a giant yay, but a yay nonetheless.
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mab said:Armin said:
A bigger package should come with a bigger discount.
I have found that you get the best deal by moving up one package at a time. This assumes you aren't on a payment plan and all. FWIW, it doesn't appear to be a whole lot of savings, but it rewards you to look at your options carefully. I saved about $7 yesterday by simply doing two steps instead of one. Not a giant yay, but a yay nonetheless.
I really wished Logos looked into this. I feel frustrated that one has to purchase packages, then maybe return them and try a different upgrade path. Many times Logos stated (here in the forum and sales reps on the phone or by e-mail) that the best way is to go immediately with the biggest package one can afford.
I live in the developing world and am used to having to calculate prices in different ways. Numerous times, a larger, "special offer" package with 10% extra free is more expensive per 100g than several smaller packages at regular price. But that's the developing world. Logos should do better.
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Armin said:
I live in the developing world and am used to having to calculate prices in different ways. Numerous times, a larger, "special offer" package with 10% extra free is more expensive per 100g than several smaller packages at regular price. But that's the developing world. Logos should do better.
I've seen that in major supermarkets in the UK too, quite a number of times. A jumbo pack which makes you think you are getting better value for money is more expensive than three smaller packs of the same brand/product. Crafty. It is easy to calculate when the price per 100g is displayed for both without having to calculate it.
I saw a great deal: Logos 8 Academic Pro. https://www.logos.com/product/165463/logos-8-academic-professional
It has TDOT (15 vols) in there, which is probably the most accessible base package it has been bundled in, as far as I could see.
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John Duffy said:
I saw a great deal: Logos 8 Academic Pro. https://www.logos.com/product/165463/logos-8-academic-professional
It has TDOT (15 vols) in there, which is probably the most accessible base package it has been bundled in, as far as I could see.
Depending on folks' purchasing history, https://www.logos.com/product/184087/verbum-8-academic-professional may be more accessible for some.
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For me, both Academic Professional are $29 and change, but the resources don’t really catch my interest.
The regular price is $900, so is not that great of a deal unless you have a substantial discount due to dynamic pricing.
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John Duffy said:
I saw a great deal: Logos 8 Academic Pro. https://www.logos.com/product/165463/logos-8-academic-professional
Thank you, Mr Duffy!
I thought I was done purchasing until the pre-L9 packages. But then picking up UBS and finishing ICC, both maybe $2,400 for $200 and change seemed finally worth it. I recognize ICC oldies are severely over-priced, but even just UBS for $200 is a-ok! I had UBS in OliveTree maybe 15 years ago, and wanted to bring him 'home'.
I compared Logos vs Verbum. They're almost alike (for me). If there'd been New Jerome instead of Collegeville, there'd be no question. Even double the price.
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Hi Everyone,
Thank you for sharing your experience. I would like to find out from you and the rest, must the upgrade path be done in the SAME BP?
OR can I switch sideways i.e. say I start with Starter Standard, then Bronze Lutheran, then Silver Anglican, and so on... and still able to take the advantage of greater discounts? (edited)
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You can buy any package in any order. Of course dynamic pricing is based on overlap. So buying Starter Standard, will have a bigger impact on Bronze Standard than on Bronze Lutheran for example. But I, for me, own 13 starter packages, 2, bronze, 1 gold, academic premium and maybe a few others. And I have bought them in a random order, just what package interested me most at a certain point.
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Joshua said:
I would like to find out from you and the rest, must the upgrade path be done in the SAME BP?
Welcome [:D]
No since upgrade path can be any direction from previous BP purchase(s).
Joshua said:OR can I switch sideways i.e. say I start with Starter Standard, then Bronze Lutheran, then Silver Anglican, and so on... and still able to take the advantage of greater discounts?
Yes. Seem to remember various Starter and/or Bronze having a bit better discount than higher levels (along with overlap between so purchase order can affect overall total).
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