Logos 9 Wishlist
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DAL said:
Hope you're right. I asked a Faithlife agent, and they said they suspected it was a two week sale. What are your sources?
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Dark Mode
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Kyle Mullaney said:
Dark Mode
Dark Mode # 1 voting continues to increase in the Top 3 Logos 8 UserVoice suggestions:
1,762 Votes => Night Mode for PC/Mac (+720 since 3 Dec 2019)
1,173 Votes => Import/Export notes to/from Evernote. (+14 since 3 Dec 2019)
956 Votes => Focus on tablet and touchscreen features (+92 since 3 Dec 2019)
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This is a contest? The one with the most votes wins? They're relying on just those who write in to decide what to fix or change? I hope they look at each idea as itself and think, wow, that's a good idea.
I hate to think the suggestions I've made will go nowhere unless a thousand other people have the same suggestion. That's a bit like saying we won't develop a wheel unless a thousand other people think we should. When somebody invents something, that person may be the only person who's thought of it.
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Larry Craig said:
This is a contest? The one with the most votes wins? They're relying on just those who write in to decide what to fix or change? I hope they look at each idea as itself and think, wow, that's a good idea.
I hate to think the suggestions I've made will go nowhere unless a thousand other people have the same suggestion. That's a bit like saying we won't develop a wheel unless a thousand other people think we should. When somebody invents something, that person may be the only person who's thought of it.
The fact they asked for this thread would seem to indicate they're willing to take a look at all ideas. Otherwise, they would have just posted a link to the other page and told people to go there with their ideas.
That said, I'm not sure what a better way of doing it would be. Imagine if there are 3,000 people who want dark mode, then you make a suggestion very few people want. Then, they implement your suggestion and 3,000 other users are unhappy with the product.
What you should do, is go to the page where they vote, and do a search for your idea. If it's already there, then vote for it, and promote the option with a link. If it's not there, create it, then try to sell people on it.
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thank you. You have a point about numbers.
The point I was trying to make is that you can't always judge how many people would want/like something based on how many people thought of it and suggested it. You make the statement that my ideas may be something that very few people want. I'm not talking about creating new features, but obvious improvements on what's there already. Seems that might be easier to do than other things.
Try to sell people on it? How would I do that? I put my ideas on the forum.
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Larry Craig said:
thank you. You have a point about numbers.
The point I was trying to make is that you can't always judge how many people would want/like something based on how many people thought of it and suggested it.
Yes. That's why you set up a voting page and let people vote on it, to see how many people would like the idea. Imagine how hard it would be for them to read every single article, then try to keep track of it in their head, to see which ideas are most wanted.
Larry Craig said:You make the statement that my ideas may be something that very few people want. I'm not talking about creating new features, but obvious improvements on what's there already. Seems that might be easier to do than other things.
Then your idea is to improve an existing feature. Name the feature, explain the improvement you want. Set it up on the voting page. Then come here and lobby for people to vote on it.
Larry Craig said:Try to sell people on it? How would I do that? I put my ideas on the forum.
Right. In threads like this and the places where you post your ideas, you explain your improvement, then include a link to your idea that can be found on the voting page.
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I've been a Logos user for maybe ten years. I have no idea where to find a voting page. Seems there's two worlds of Logos users. Those who really get involved and those who are just trying to get by in the world. For people like me, it's like there's a whole 'nother world out there.
Now I am really, really busy but if you can direct me to this here voting page, I'll see what I can do.
Thanks again.
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Larry Craig said:
I've been a Logos user for maybe ten years. I have no idea where to find a voting page. Seems there's two worlds of Logos users. Those who really get involved and those who are just trying to get by in the world. For people like me, it's like there's a whole 'nother world out there.
Now I am really, really busy but if you can direct me to this here voting page, I'll see what I can do.
Thanks again.
Here are the links for voting on Logos, Logos Mobile, and Books: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/122900.aspx
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So I posted an idea. So I wanted to post another one, and it said that I can't. I should post an idea about that, but I can't do that either.
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Larry Craig said:
So I posted an idea. So I wanted to post another one, and it said that I can't. I should post an idea about that, but I can't do that either.
I'm not sure how that works. They may limit the number of suggestions you can submit within a given period of time. Maybe try again in 10 minutes. Anyone know about this?
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I have things to do.
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Larry Craig said:
They're relying on just those who write in to decide what to fix or change?
- Development is a mix of user initiated ideas and Faihtlife initiated ideas. I don't know the percentage split.
- Voting is to allow for user prioritization - it is only one factor in what gets done.
- They also have user groups, or at least one of ministers, that provide some sort of guidance. I've only seen posts asking for volunteers so don't ask me for details.
- Fixes do not need to go through suggestions - they need to get on the bug report where people with the information on how many people are effected, the difficulty of the fix, when they'll be in the code anyway . . . prioritize the works
- They do some sort of useability testing despite my suspicions to the contrary.
- Some stuff gets done - a reasonable amount for the size of their staff; some stuff isn't done -- reasonable given the size of their staff.
- Best way to get more done - promote Logos/Verbum sales especially among user who can afford to build up large libraries ... more income, more staff.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thank you
So one of the users, well, Lee, suggested I post my ideas on their voting page. I post one, and it won't let me post another. To me, anyone who wants good ideas won't limit those who want to give them. Sheesh!
Thanks again
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Larry Craig said:
So one of the users, well, Lee, suggested I post my ideas on their voting page. I post one, and it won't let me post another. To me, anyone who wants good ideas won't limit those who want to give them. Sheesh!
I can't recreate this problem. Start a new thread and some of us will try to sort it out for you.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Larry Craig said:
I've been a Logos user for maybe ten years. I have no idea where to find a voting page.
Logos Wiki => https://wiki.logos.com/ includes:
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Help Prioritize Development
Every user has 10 votes per UserVoice forum
Up to 3 votes for one suggestionTo create UserVoice suggestion idea needs one or more votes by user.
Larry Craig said:So I posted an idea.
Noticed create subfolders in priorizing resources has 0 votes (so sorting UserVoice suggestions by descending # of votes places this new idea in the last set of ideas). FYI: UserVoice currently has ~ 1,960 suggestions with more than 10 that would be useful for me so dreaming of more votes per user OR improving UserVoice prioritization feedback for Faithlife development.
create subfolders in priorizing resources">
The prioritizing function works best for prioritizing your top Bibles and lexicons. But if you have a hundred commentaries on a Bible book ( I have far more.), using the prioritizing function is like throwing darts in the dark. You can't keep track of where the books are relative to each other. You need either (ideally) to be able to move books up and down while in, say, a passage guide in the preferred order, or, while in the library prioritizing function, create a folder for each book of the Bible to be used in, say, passage guide searches. Then, and only then, will you be able to put the books you really want first to be first, and those you don't really care about way, way down.
Concur prioritizing lots of commentaries per Bible Book is challenging (my library has 5,016 Bible Commentaries). Web site => https://www.bestcommentaries.com/topcommentaries/ shows some single volumes with commentary about many books being in the Top Two for some Bible books. For Example, Obadiah, Jonah and Micah (Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries | TOTC) is in the Top Two for Jonah and Micah, but not Obadiah. Top Two commentaries shows a variety of commentary series. My work around for Top Two Commentaries is a custom series (and title prefix modification, see thread => Listing Commentaries by Bible), which has four resources for Obadiah. My Library prioritization has my favorite commentary series first => UBS Handbook Series Old & New Testament Collection (55 vols.) followed by my custom Top Two series. Passage Guide shows resources in my Top Two series by alphabetic title order: for me that is chronological since have modified commentary titles to begin with year the author(s) finished writing content (can be lots of years before publication, which can include translation).
My library prioritization includes a number of advanced prioritizations, but none of them use "in this range". Hence, an advanced prioritization idea is enhancing "in this range" to have a check box list of Bible Books (when the Resource has Bible indexing).
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Ability to zoom in and out of maps.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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Add 'Collection' as a search field.
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Thank you for taking the time to write. You've been there a lot for me in the past.
I bookmarked the page for voting from a previous respondent. Why on earth would they limit suggestions from one person? Dumb, dumb, dumb. Ever hear of Thomas Edison? Thomas, now I only want you to invent ten things. We need to let other people have a chance for all these patents. Don't be selfish.
You seem to be content, if I understand you right, to only prioritize a few commentaries for each book. I don't have as many commentaries as you (4362), but I can see a need to prioritize a lot of them. When I can expand the list 4 -5 times, I don't want some really good books buried under 200 other commentaries, but with the current system of prioritization, after a while, you have no idea where the books are in order except for knowing that prioritized some and not others.
We can and need to do better.
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Larry Craig said:
You seem to be content, if I understand you right, to only prioritize a few commentaries for each book. I don't have as many commentaries as you (4362), but I can see a need to prioritize a lot of them. When I can expand the list 4 -5 times, I don't want some really good books buried under 200 other commentaries, but with the current system of prioritization, after a while, you have no idea where the books are in order except for knowing that prioritized some and not others.
My custom series (individual volumes from a variety of sets) for "Top 2 Commentaries" ranges from 2 volumes for Ezra to 8 volumes for Micah with most Bible Books having 3 or 4 volumes (Top Two variety: Technical, Pastoral, Devotional, Special, Jewish). Currently have 108 Library Prioritizations of Commentaries (mostly series). Hence any Passage Guide has a decent starting prioritization order (UBS, Top 2 Volumes, Others). If find a really good commentary volume, then can add it to my custom "Top 2 Commentaries" for future use. Also if not like a "Top 2" volume, can remove it from my custom series (deleting custom value allows default value to be restored). Part of my commentary title convention includes series abbreviation, which allows me to find all volumes in a set (those in Top 2 and those in original series). For example, Word Biblical Commentary (WBC) has 61 volumes with 23 of them in my "Top 2 Commentaries" series.
For prioritization (and library filtering), dreaming of special attributes being visible in Library: e.g. Indexes, Reverse interlinears, ...
Also dreaming of library purchase date (ideally with order correlation so can find initial purchase date for resource - easier to verify what was new to library when an order was placed for a base package, expansion, ...)
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That I would be able to rearrange my entire library the way I would like it.
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I think you should give some examples of what you would want to do with it. They might think you can already do that. They have a lot of options already available.
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Lee Gordon said:
Do you use UBS for translating, or just for a regular commentary? If just for a regular commentary, how good is it, in your opinion?
Regular commentary that focuses on key concepts for translation with cross cultural expression and textual criticism.
Logos Wiki => Logos Resource Reviews includes UBS New Testament Handbook Series and UBS Old Testament Handbook Series
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I have a large library (20,000 titles). I have spent way too much time organizing them, things like adding author's name to books, adding the series title for commentaries. when I am working with the library, every time I make a change to a book, tag or title, it goes all the way to the top, so I have to scroll back down to where i was working. Way too much time wasted, but Logos really needs to have author and series names with book titles. It doesn't help to have a hundred books titled Gospel of John.
Logos can do more to have more pre-made collections or try harder to tag monographs more. I have hundreds of monographs that are specific to a book of the Bible or, say, the gospels. When I do a passage guide on, say, Matthew something, all the relevant monographs about Matthew should appear in a section already set up by Logos. Users spend way too much time trying to make their libraries more usable.
Thank you.
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Larry Craig said:
I have a large library (20,000 titles). I have spent way too much time organizing them, things like adding author's name to books, adding the series title for commentaries. when I am working with the library, every time I make a change to a book, tag or title, it goes all the way to the top, so I have to scroll back down to where i was working. Way too much time wasted, but Logos really needs to have author and series names with book titles. It doesn't help to have a hundred books titled Gospel of John.
Concur, especially annoying is Library refresh automatically interrupting Title customization (so have to find partially modified Title to reselect resource information before can complete customization)
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Concur, especially annoying is Library refresh automatically interrupting Title customization (so have to find partially modified Title to reselect resource information before can complete customization)
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This is my #1 issue I need addressed.
Dr. Nathan Parker
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Larry Craig said:
Logos can do more to have more pre-made collections or try harder to tag monographs more. I have hundreds of monographs that are specific to a book of the Bible or, say, the gospels. When I do a passage guide on, say, Matthew something, all the relevant monographs about Matthew should appear in a section already set up by Logos. Users spend way too much time trying to make their libraries more usable.
I'm not disagreeing with your main point, but using the subject field can be a big help in finding monographs that deal with particular books of the Bible. You can then create dynamic collections of these books for future use. For example, I can find monographs on Deuteronomy by using the filter type:monograph subject:Deuteronomy.
But while all these books might be useful for a general study on Deuteronomy, I'm not sure how many would be useful in a study of a particular passage in Deuteronomy – which is no doubt one of the reasons why Logos doesn't include them in the Passage Guide.
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Thanks, Mark
I know using the index of a book to find helpful information on a passage in the Bible is a crapshoot, but I have found a lot of monographs which are essentially commentaries, just not organized or complete enough to meet FL standards.
I have 12,000 books listed as monographs. I feel like I'm not getting full use of them, and I think Logos could and should do more.
Ever use WordSearch. When I do, I use their cross reference function, which is comparable to passage guide. Every book in my library is categorized under helpful labels and not simply monographs (miscellaneous).
Using your suggestion is helpful. But there are 66 books in the Bible. The time Logos saves me in a search I spend more than that trying to organize my library better..
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Larry Craig said:
But there are 66 books in the Bible.
Sure. But we normally only study one or two at at time. Create your collections, as and when you need them. It only takes a few seconds.
Larry Craig said:Ever use WordSearch. When I do, I use their cross reference function, which is comparable to passage guide.
I'm fairly sure that their cross-reference function is comparable to the Collections section of the Passage Guide. If you don't want to create 66 collections, just create a Monographs collection, and then use that in the Collections section of the Passage Guide.
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Mark Barnes said:
But while all these books might be useful for a general study on Deuteronomy, I'm not sure how many would be useful in a study of a particular passage in Deuteronomy – which is no doubt one of the reasons why Logos doesn't include them in the Passage Guide.
This is, I think, a function of what is in your library. I have a number of monographs, paper and Logos, that are thorough studies of a single event, chapter, even a few verses. I agree with those who believe that FL underindexes essays, academic papers, and "true" monographs.
PS. Some of us have more than 66 books; some of us rarely study a single book in the context of church/ministry. I handle the problem with a large number of heading/large text searches on collections where I am less familiar with the materials; a simple passage search (or collection in Passage Guide) for materials I know better.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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too late all done
thank you for taking the time to try to help me
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- Add remaining pages to end reading the current chapter.
- Enable reading progress bar in several columns mode.
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I'll admit that I have not read through all 20+ pages of this thread, so it might be here. But, I would love the ability to create a notebook in Notes from a new note..i.e. when I go to the select notebook screen, there be an option right there to create a New Notebook.
If that's already possible and I've somehow been missing it..please let me know. Thanks!
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Here's a few additional pieces of feedback for Logos 9:
Overall, I was pleased with the rollout of Logos 8. I enjoyed the feature enhancements, plus the rollout to Faithlife Connect users went smoothly. The base package upgrades were also very affordable and the most affordable I've purchased in a long while. My first recommendation is: duplicate what you did with Logos 8, don't "mess it up", and overall, you'll be a success.
I would also use this time to put the brakes on major new features and use this time to fine-tune Logos and make enhancements to existing features. Logos 9 would be a good time to have a "Snow Leopard" or "Windows 7" release. Some areas to focus on:
- Performance: “If it would save a person’s life, could you find a way to shave 10 seconds off the search time for concordance? the indexing?, etc?"
- Cross Platform Support: Continue to bring more features to mobile and the web so we can do more with Logos everywhere we go.
- Enhance Logos 8 features: Possibly make some minor enhancements to Workflows, the new Home Page, Theology Guide, the new Notes, Canvas, etc.
- Get More Out of Books: I have over 10,000 books in Logos. Before I invest in another base package upgrade, it would be great to find ways to get more out of the books I own and see how to leverage the power of my existing library.
- Bible study tips from Logos employees: I'd like to see this go beyond the Logos Pro team. I want to know how typical Logos employees use Logos on their day-to-day use. How does Bob, Phil, my sales rep, customer service reps, etc., use Logos on a regular basis. Seeing their Bible study tips and processes would encourage me in my personal studies.
I don't need Logos 9 to be flashy or to wow me. Just double down on giving the program a major tuneup so it's speedy, stable, and solid and I'm happy.
Dr. Nathan Parker
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Hi Nathan
Just looking over your suggestions, I think you should probably be a little more specific. If I was at Logos, I wouldn't know a lot of the time exactly what I would do to help here.
Get more out of your books. What are you looking for? Some people have suggested adding author's names and series titles. More premade collections to add to existing guides.
Bible study tips. There is a Facebook site for that already. Don't worry about what Logos staff people do. They have fulltime jobs doing other things. Ask the people who prepare sermons and teach for a living how they use Logos. It's Logos Bible Tips and Tricks.
Enhance features. Like what?
The more specific you can be, the more likely I think you might see what you want.
But then I don't work for them. I'm hoping for a lot of things too.
Larry
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Dark mode, the text turns white and the screen back ground goes black... easier on the eyes when your reading in the dark at 2am
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I almost always use google to search for verses, from the partial phrase that I can remember... it is way faster and you can be a lot sloppier with what you input and still google will usually come back with the right chapter and verse citation
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Paul Watson said:
Dark mode, the text turns white and the screen back ground goes black... easier on the eyes when your reading in the dark at 2am
Yes, please!
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Paul Watson said:
I almost always use google to search for verses, from the partial phrase that I can remember... it is way faster and you can be a lot sloppier with what you input and still google will usually come back with the right chapter and verse citation
I also
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El editor de dispositivas es pésimo, deben hacer una conexión con Power Point o integralo con sofware externo de diseño como Illustrator de Adobe.
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Larry Craig said:
Hi Nathan
Just looking over your suggestions, I think you should probably be a little more specific. If I was at Logos, I wouldn't know a lot of the time exactly what I would do to help here.
Get more out of your books. What are you looking for? Some people have suggested adding author's names and series titles. More premade collections to add to existing guides.
Bible study tips. There is a Facebook site for that already. Don't worry about what Logos staff people do. They have fulltime jobs doing other things. Ask the people who prepare sermons and teach for a living how they use Logos. It's Logos Bible Tips and Tricks.
Enhance features. Like what?
The more specific you can be, the more likely I think you might see what you want.
But then I don't work for them. I'm hoping for a lot of things too.
Larry
Thanks for the followup. Some of what I'm suggesting is open-ended (I just hit the high points, and I'm giving the creatives at Logos a chance to think through them on specifics and surprise me).
In terms of getting more out of my books, anything Logos can do to surface books in my library I may not be using enough so I'm getting more out of my large library would work for me. Whether that's more book suggestions on the home page, possibly surfacing books in the guides and putting taglines next to books I haven't opened in a while suggesting I take a look at them, premade collections, etc.
I do enjoy hearing from actual Logos users as well (and integrating more of that into Logos would be nice, maybe a Logos Bible Tips and Tricks Faithlife group with videos and posts from Logos users would be good). The reason I also care about hearing from Logos staff members is not to detract from their full-time jobs, but I like knowing they're a user of the product as well. I work in software training and support for a major weather company, and when I put together tutorials and webinars, I go beyond just throwing out the features and giving customers enough to show how to impress people at a office Christmas party. I show our customers how I personally use the program in a day-to-day workflow, and I show customers I am as much of a daily user of the product as they are. It's made a world of difference in our sales, marketing, and support. When customers know your sales, marketing, support, and management are actively using the product, it gives the customer the confidence to use the product themselves.
In terms of existing features, Theology Guide is off to a good start. Possibly integrating Biblical and Historical Theology into the guide would be good (links to resources, theological topics from those fields, etc). In terms of Notes and the Home Page, I don't have anything specific there, but I know other customers had plenty to say about these major changes, so incorporating their feedback would be good. Overall I'm enjoying Workflows. Some clarity on when to use Guides vs Workflows would be good (I understand it, but new customers may not), and additional workflows for theological studies would be nice (even though I've created my own). Canvas is off to a good start, but export options could be enhanced, and maybe some Canvas templates for those really new to Canvas would be good.
Dr. Nathan Parker
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Armin said:
Mark, Lee Gordon, Armin: can you provide some more information on this?
- Are you comparing Google to Fuzzy Bible Search? (Basic Search, select Search Everything, enter a phrase: see screenshot below) Or are you searching some other way?
- If so, do you prefer Google because the results better match what you expect?
- If so, can you provide some specific examples where you think Google provides better results?
(While we don't have Google's resources, we're always looking for ways to improve our performance)
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Sean. Please, Please, Please. Develop a simple reader (can be expanded later) to read Logos books on mobile devices. The current ios screen reader just does not cut it.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden Williams said:
Sean. Please, Please, Please. Develop a simple reader (can be expanded later) to read Logos books on mobile devices. The current ios screen reader just does not cut it.
Thanks for your feedback Lynden. Can you provide more details as to why the current iOS app doesn't work well for you, and what features you wish it had? By "screen reader" I assume you mean reading books aloud? Logos on iOS only provides that for certain Bibles through a special audio edition (see https://community.logos.com/forums/t/169143.aspx).
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Sean Boisen said:
Thanks for your feedback Lynden. Can you provide more details as to why the current iOS app doesn't work well for you, and what features you wish it had? By "screen reader" I assume you mean reading books aloud? Logos on iOS only provides that for certain Bibles through a special audio edition (see https://community.logos.com/forums/t/169143.aspx).
Something that just reads the contents of the resources. Similar to what we have on the Desktop version of Logos.
- Open a resource in Logos.
- CTRL + R
- The software reads the resource, using the default reader in Windows.
I will be satisfied with just that. A reader that can recognize words and pronounce them. Like to listen to resources while driving etc..
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Thanks for confirming Lynden. It's definitely on our list of additional features for Mobile. I agree that listening to resources on mobile is an important use case (i do it all the time while gardening).
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