Apostolic Fathers Interlinear?

OK, I hadn't ordered this because I don't know Greek. But I might learn it someday (I really would like to) and I might kick myself for not having ordered this when I could. So I'm in. It's very close! And my order seemed to make a perceptible difference. I bet the production cost on this one is fairly low because it's being done in-house, and is probably in progress already, or they wouldn't be able to say it's by Rick Brannan.

Logos also has the Apostolic Fathers interlinears by Lake, Holmes and Lightfoot

Yep...thats why I like I.L....not fluent in Greek, nevertheless I was one of the first to click on this prepub and now it looks to be at about 98%.  We need a few more willing to purchase to push this into production.  This is a better buy than the other versions...cheaper....and with interlinear and linked to LN and you could tie this in with your BDAG that quotes many of these references. 

Chris said:

ALRIGHT!  Its been pushed to a full blue line.  Can I hear 100%!!!!!

Wow, OK this will probably only take just one more order to push it over the finish line. Anyone?

It might need a human in Bellingham to flick the switch on Monday.

Any chance of the works of the Apologists being turned into an interlinear?

Aristides, Justin Martyr, Athenagoras, Theophilus, (IRENAEUS) in particular - his Greek fragments!

Apple Mac's "ACCORDANCE" Bible software has these. But it ONLY run's on Apple Mac's!

"Me very sad Rick - Me want very much!"

Can you help - PLEASE!

It will keep you employed for very long time by LOGOS!

These need a fresh, modern translation made available too! Not some crusty old Roberts & Donaldson, something with MODERN English with up to date scholarship!

My LOGOS SOFTWARE getting old now, so I'm looking at getting newer version!

Me want LEXHAM discourse marker module, and, and, and - all sort's of goodies! Me likie Greek very much!

I already have translated passages from Polycarp, Clement of Rome, a good chunk of Arestides, some of Justin Martyr, Didache, Mathetes to Dognetus, Theophilus, Athenagoras, Eusebius, Epiphanius and others!

Me even had a go at some Latin a few month's back Tertullian, Pliny the Younger. It was fun!

But me need better resources! It's very tiring manually looking up lexicons and grammars, NEW LOGOS = ANSWER to problem!

GoooooOOO LOGOS Yeh!

WOOOO HOO!

Great stuff!

When?

Me want INSTANT gratifaction!

Just kidding!

Look forward to when you have completed your project. No doubt it will take quite some time. Was not expecting such a prompt answer.

Thank you very much.

OH! Don't forget we want morphological tagging linked to BAGD and nothing less!

Have a great day!

Graeme Edward Hibbard said:

Since you guys are expanding more and more into the Patristic feild, heres a suggestion:

LAMPS Patristic lexicon!

Many Greek words were coined during this period by the ANF and  POST-ANF in particular, which are not in BAGD, but are in LAMPS lexicon.

I don't know weather this is public domain or if there are any copyright resrictions on it still, but would certainly compliment ANF Software, Interlinears etc.

What do you think?

No, its not public domain -- it was published in 1969 by Oxford. A number of us have requested it before -- and Oxford charges more for Lampe than they do for LSJ(MG) -- considering that Logos generally stays relatively close to the book price & this one retails for $600, I don't see a prepub of this volume going very quickly . . . though you can generally pick copies up for $275 or so -- the one $185 copy on Amazon right now is the cheapest copy I've seen in probably four years). For the Apostolic Fathers, you don't need anything more than BDAG -- which covers these extremely early fathers quite thoroughly.

With that said, I have request this one myself and continue to want it in Logos -- especially if the PG (http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/4346) ever gets through. hint, hint.

Ron

I understand what you mean. What is useful about studying the way the Early Fathers used Greek is simply that their use and understanding of language in its contexts may help us grasp more clearly how the Greek New Testament was understood and applied by those who were much, much closer to the time of the original writers than we are. The early Fathers were not many generations removed from the New Testament writers (especially John).

I already have the early writers in both Greek and English, and to be perfectly honest I don't really need the interlinear, but for people whose Greek is a bit rusty, the interlinear will help them understand what is going on in the Greek text far better than an English translation, where the original is hidden and you have no access to why certain translation choices were made.

Rick Brannan said:

Yes, I'd agree, those who are responsible for the writings we call the "Apostolic Fathers" are "just men". That said, they are much closer historically to the events of the New Testament and one can gain great insight into the culture and thinking of the NT by reading other writings of the general era.

If I may build on these words...

A few of these writers are also in geographical proximity to where Paul himself would have preached an taught. Combine with their temporal proximity to the NT, they have the potential on occasion for us to see how the church understood the teaching an writing of people like Paul within a generation or two after Paul's death. For that reason they AF also have the potential to shed light on the interpretation of the New Testament as well. Take for example 1 Clement, written in Rome (where Paul live and preached for some time) to Corinth (where Paul lived an preached for some time). Now compare Ephesians 5 with 1 Clement 38. This is the closest we can get to seeing how the early church understood "mutual submission."

After that go take a look at this little book: http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/NTAPOSTFATHRS -- though if your Greek isn't super good, you may want to pick up an Apostolic Father's Interlinear... [;)]

Thanks for your responses. I can definitely see the value as it gives greater clarity to the NT text and its understanding by people closer to the time the originals were written. I guess anything that helps in our pursuit of understanding what God has to say to us should be considered valuable. I repent.

Rick .... are you sure you don't want to back the truck up? In the wiki, I listed out all the various interlinears (including the apostolic fathers): http://wiki.logos.com/Resource$3a_Apostolic_Fathers_–_Greek_Texts  Maybe you're using the word differently? The present Logos offerings don't have the english glosses, and there's 3 separate resources which you can purchase separately (i.e. affordably). I've even run big chunks of them through my pattern software, comparing the sequences to NT, judaic, and LXX sequences to see the differences. That said, I'm in high anticipation of your new one.