Can you check my syntax search?

Bob,

Did you mean John 1:1 (which is on your graph) or 3:16? Dave's advice is correct. The Word Group and Head Term elements are unnecessary. You only have to fill in searches to the right if you want to be specific, otherwise it is assumed that anything will fit. Also, you do not need to put the Anything operator to the right of the search terms. "Anything" is used to separate the vertical elements of a clause, as Dave mentioned in his search. In fact, the reason you're not getting any hits is because you have the "Anything" terms. Remove those and the search will work fine. You should get 282 results, including John 1:1. As Dave mentioned, you can add "Anything" between the Adjunct and predicator to also get John 3:16.

To clarify. "Anything" is used between vertical members (between siblings of the same parent) to specify that anything else can come between them.

You only need to fill out the search horizontally if you want to be more speicifc about a particular term. Filling the search to the right (horizontally) is like the difference between saying, "I want to find all male children" and "I want to find all male children with brown hair and blue eyes." Does that make sense?

Robert Pavich said:

Q: did we drop them because we have no word level functionality yet?

 

I had thought that; like v3 if you leave it at "specifier" or whatever it would find all specifiers in this type of structure...???

So leaving it at word groups and head terms would find "all word groups and head terms functioning in the way they do in John 1:1.....

 

you can do that in V3....

Bob,

The search should work if you leave the WG and HD elements but remove the Anything. See my pic below. Can you post another screen shot of the failed searches? You are correct that it should, like in V3, find anything more specific that what you specified. You could even include a "word" component, as long as you didn't actually specifiy the "text," "lemma," or "gloss" fields. That's where I've run into problems.

The reason Dave H correctly suggested dropping them isn't because they should cause problems, but because they're unnecessary. It just adds time and complication since you don't want to specify anything at those levels.

Bob,

I'm flummoxed! As far as I can tell our searches are exactly the same. I highlighted the search terms as you have, and mine still comes out fine.

I'll keep playing around to see if I can get mine to fail somehow. Have you tried restarting the program and rebuilding the search from scratch?

All my other boxes are unchecked at each level, except for the highlighting I added to match yours, and yours look like it to. Do you have "skips levels" checked? It doesn't look like you do. I experimented with it for a while, but if you had added anything extra, the screen would show it. I've added a pic of the settings though to confirm that they look the same.

If you have a minute, why don't you try building a different search. I moved 2 clauses down in John 1:1 (και θεος ην ο λογος) and built that search as specifically as possible, all the way down to the word level. I've attached a pic of that search, will it give you results?

 Every other box is like the one below, with only one check. Have you tried running the search without "Highlight this term in results" checked? It shouldn't make a difference, but it's a try.

 Here's another search to try, from John 1:1. I get 19 results. I have nothing checked in any of the boxes except what is visible.

Bob,

If you're using Beta 1, it might be worth a try, but the syntax downloads were included with beta 2, and the previous download link has been removed (I think). Do you have a second computer you can try this on? It might be worth posting this as an official bug now. There must a problem with your resources [:(]. Unless Dave Hooton has a suggestion, or someone from Logos can comment, I'm out of ideas!

I guess the other problem might be if you're running Beta 1 and not Beta 2? Maybe the searches run better in 2?

Dave Hooton said:

Robert Pavich said:

figured out what it was...

Well done! My search now works properly that I have Beta 2, as I agree with David's 18 results.

Hey guys, I'm not really familiar with how syntax searching works (in fact I don't really study the bible so I'm really lost here) but can you tell me if there is a specific bug or was it user error? Maybe suggest a way we can clear it up?

Yes! Way to go. I'm glad that there was a reason for the error! Glad to hear your searches are working as well, Dave, now that you have Beta 2 [<:o)]

Cameron Watters said:

Specifying lemmas on text segments/words doesn't work properly (glosses and surface text should work, though)

Because of this, running a template search from "search" --> "syntax" --> "template" doesn't work, because you are forced to specify the lemma.

If you run a template search from "New" --> "Syntax Search" --> "template", it does, because you do not have to specify the lemma.

Also, while specifying surface text does work, it only seems to work if you select the text, not if you type it. I can select θεός and the search will work, but if I try to enter it, it will not. The problem seems to be with accent marks and breathing marks. These work in the morph search, but not here.