Can you prove it?
When I was accepted into Osgoode Hall Law School, well that's another story, but my curiosity for the 'truth' hasn't gone away.
You know the old saying, "Prove it"? well when it comes to Reformational statements from either Catholic or Protestant sources many leave out their source(s) for their argument(s).
so a quick question. I want to know what is available as far as primary source material on either side of the calendar for the Reformation - pre & post. Reformational & Counter.
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Milkman said:
primary source material
Primary source material for what, specifically?
History? Theology? Apologetics?
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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So they sell milk in Canada’s law schools! 😂😂😂
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I'll give u an ex.
The Catholic Church in the fifteenth century was shot through with problems on all level of the hierarchy. On a local level, parish priests were often completely uneducated, not even understanding the Latin Mass that they recited each day. Really??
would u call this history, theology, apologetics... or something more systemic? Neither theology or any other science runs pure without a hint of drahss/dross in the human mind.
A 15th - 16th century pleb lives in our history and yet is future casting it. She has her own theology and tries to explain what she believes apologetically all borne not from one source but from what she hears (sermons, postils her priest...APOLOGETICS) what she believes, her THEOLOGY and what she backs it up with, her HISTORY her very own heilsgeschichte.
So I want to either argue against my initial statement about the uneducated priest backing it with a 'proof text' from the time of just pre-Reformation and just post-Reformation.
in a nutshell. is that statement true? Prove it? not you to prove it, but I want source material that either substantiates it or not.
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Milkman said:
I'll give u an ex.
OK, so are you looking for primary source documents from ~16th century discussing how things were at the time? I'm still not clear on what you want. The 16th century AD is not the 1st century AD: we have tonnes of primary source documents from the 16th century.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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I think I get what you're asking here. So, to use your example, I would look perhaps to primary sources of the time. For example, what did the Saints of the time have to say about the state of the Church? Many of those documents can be find on the Verbum side at least (For example St. Peter Damien in the CUA Medieval Continuation had a scathing indictment of immorality in some Monasteries). You could also look at the documents of the Council of Trent and the reforms they implemented.
Then you can contrast the claims of the Reformers with the answers of the Catholics.
I found the Logos/Verbum links very useful when reading "The Annotated Luther." I was able to link to the actual texts to see what was quoted and what the actual context was. (to avoid violating forum rules, I won't give my opinions on that) . This will only be as good as the footnotes however. If they're vague, then you might not find what you need.
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Hey Milkman! This has nothing to do with the topic at hand but I saw you mention Osgoode Hall, and I myself am an LL.B '93 from the French Common Law program at OttawaU. Nice to meet ya!
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good morning Carmen
Nice to meet you as well. Ottawa? What a beautiful City. I had a friend from Ottawa. We both went to Laurier and honoured in Ec. He invited me to a Panda Game during that weekend. Go Gee Gees.
once again thanks for the 'hello.' [:)]
Carmen Gauvin-O'Donnell said:Hey Milkman! This has nothing to do with the topic at hand but I saw you mention Osgoode Hall, and I myself am an LL.B '93 from the French Common Law program at OttawaU. Nice to meet ya!
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Just in case Dal can't explain I'll fill it in.
The milk programs in schools are big business. Consider a school with 1000 kids who drink milk. if there's 48 small milk in each case you might be bringing in 15 - 20 cases twice a week per school. of course numbers change with each school. All you do is drop off the cases in a cooler and you're on to the next one. if you have 15 - 20 schools per week you may be dropping off a ton of product.
of course there aren't any law schools who actually take milk unless it's in a cafeteria. However, one of my customers is actually a law office. but not small milks. just 1 liters and 500ml sizes.
hope that helps.
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when i first looked at the Annotated Luther it was well over $200 Cnd. That's not going to happen I thought. But I found out that if i purchased the Lutheran Bronze for $18.00 not only did I get the annotated series but a 45 other books!
Thank-you Faith Life!!
David Wanat said:I think I get what you're asking here. So, to use your example, I would look perhaps to primary sources of the time. For example, what did the Saints of the time have to say about the state of the Church? Many of those documents can be find on the Verbum side at least (For example St. Peter Damien in the CUA Medieval Continuation had a scathing indictment of immorality in some Monasteries). You could also look at the documents of the Council of Trent and the reforms they implemented.
Then you can contrast the claims of the Reformers with the answers of the Catholics.
I found the Logos/Verbum links very useful when reading "The Annotated Luther." I was able to link to the actual texts to see what was quoted and what the actual context was. (to avoid violating forum rules, I won't give my opinions on that) . This will only be as good as the footnotes however. If they're vague, then you might not find what you need.
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You're welcome... I'm now living in Kingston so I have to put up with the Queens Law School... LOL!
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