Logos Unbound Facebook event
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Jeffrey Visser said:
I would be VERY VERY disappointed if they moved away from an installed version of the software. I often go long periods without internet. We have no internet at the church. While I don't travel as much as I used to, I used to write my sermons on the plane.
Right now, I have a powerful laptop and over 6000 books at my fingertips without having to go online to access them. It is one of the reasons I went with Logos so many years ago. I would greatly miss that ability.Bob Pritchett committed in the past to not walking away from desktop software and I don't believe anyone expects him to not honor his word on that with Logos 9, people, myself included are justing saying it maybe that the web app will be pushed more front and centre than it has until now because it has been under development for a number of years but is now probably ready - using FL's definiton of ready - to push it to a wider audience. FL have never really gone to the market and said hey look at our you beaut web app.
If you ae very disappointed tommorrow so would a lot of other people be very disappionted and to take away the deskotp app from people in your position woud be to go against FL's core misson to serve the church through technology as there are significant part so the church worldwide in your situaiton. Customers like yourself don't have a big voice on these forums because as you said you dont't go online for long periods of time.
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Another option:
Logos Unbound is the level beyound Logos Ultimate. With Logos Ubound you get access to every resource in the Logos Cataloge.
DIsciple II said:Gordon Jones said:The word "unbound" is an interesting choice.
A hard launch of the web app to a wider audience. About four years ago give or take on exact details FL started on a journey of a new web app and notes tool. With Logos 8 they released and very much unfinished notes tool which was a significant part of, but not all of course, of the web app. There is always more potential enhancements to come for the web app and the notes tool but one could say they are now reasonably well developed after this period of time, so Logos Unbound is Logos inbound from a desktop installation, unbound from a mobile device installation, Unbound from the need to instal, you can access your resources, user created content and major Tools through a Browse. With WS now out of the picture along with its web app FL is probably the only major bible software provider which backs up its installation bound applications with a significant installation unbound application through a web browser. And being unbound to an installation it is unbound to an operating system.
it is however bound in one significant way - bound to the need for a reliable internet connection.
P.S. there is probably no truth in this scenario so we’ll have to wait and see what the author intended the text to mean rather than reading our own interpretation into the text, but it is interesting to read what people think it means all the same
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DAL said:
Or maybe “Unbound” in the sense that the speed issue will no longer bound the software and it will finally be lightning fast!
DAL
I vote for this definition!
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I wish unbound means a subscription tier that have all access to any Logos resources. But it is unlikely what it means.
Anyway I‘m also sad to see they host the livestream on Facebook. I wish they did it on their own Faithlife site, or YouTube. I understand it is a pragmatic choice to reach audiences. But comparing Facebook and Youtube I can’t see how Youtube can’t reach the audiences they would reach in Facebook instead. Facebook is such an evil company that people should avoid and Faithlife endorsing it is not a good message.
I also wish unbound includes a remake of this forum. Typing here on mobile hurts.
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Kolen Cheung said:
Anyway I‘m also sad to see they host the livestream on Facebook. I wish they did it on their own Faithlife site, or YouTube.
Agree 110%!!
I will never use Facebook! FL has a perfectly functional website and YouTube has a wide worldwide base!
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So, they are gonna stream it live on Facebook only? What a pity and a Big Miss..
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Olrik van der Woerd said:
So, they are gonna stream it live on Facebook only? What a pity and a Big Miss..
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Luuk
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James Hudson said:Kolen Cheung said:
Anyway I‘m also sad to see they host the livestream on Facebook. I wish they did it on their own Faithlife site, or YouTube.
Agree 110%!!
I will never use Facebook! FL has a perfectly functional website and YouTube has a wide worldwide base!
In a similar situation and agree.
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James Hudson said:Kolen Cheung said:
Anyway I‘m also sad to see they host the livestream on Facebook. I wish they did it on their own Faithlife site, or YouTube.
Agree 110%!!
I will never use Facebook! FL has a perfectly functional website and YouTube has a wide worldwide base!
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Facebook and Youtube (owned by Google) are about the same level of evil and from that perspective there isn't much difference.
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Firstly, I hate Facebook. But its part of my ministry platform. So, I am partly tied to it. Its been good in one way. before the pandemic maybe 50 people could fit in the church on a sunday, and maybe 25-30 would. Concurrent with the pandemic we started pushing our facebook stream, and we have week to week about 2-250 people joining us (with 10-15 in the building). income hasn't changed, praise the LordLonnie Spencer said:James Hudson said:Kolen Cheung said:Anyway I‘m also sad to see they host the livestream on Facebook. I wish they did it on their own Faithlife site, or YouTube.
Agree 110%!!
I will never use Facebook! FL has a perfectly functional website and YouTube has a wide worldwide base!
. We've been holding our own by God's grace.
Secondly, they have a public FB page, so as long as someone posts the link here, you should be able to watch without joining facebook. Keep an eye on the forums on monday, if a link isn't posted, and I remember, i'll post one.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Jeffrey Visser said:
Facebook and Youtube (owned by Google) are about the same level of evil and from that perspective there isn't much difference.
It could be subjective. But to me Facebook is much more evil than Google. Both has ad as its primary source of income, and has privacy concern. Facebook’s extra level of evilness is from its manipulation of the human mind specifically emotion to make people addict to it and feel insecure without it. It is well documented and they have publicly confess some of them (such as a “study“ with a certain research institute to manipulate people by altering the timeline.) Bundling that with Cambridge Analytica is 2016, this basically costs us the democracy (Trump in the US and Brexit in the UK.) It would be ok if it is like Facebook claimed that it was a breach from CA, but it was not and Facebook knew in the beginning of their use of data. Worst yet they (mostly the CEO) are very passive in making it right. Yes, Facebook does change but it is as if they are doing the minimal change necessary such that the gov and people can be shut up. Many of their employees disagree with the CEO‘s way of handling things and some quit already. This is in huge contrast with any another big tech companies.
Also noticed that I ranked them as Faithlife preferred, YouTube better than Facebook. The best is on its own Faithlife social network. Because manipulating you to be addict to generate ad revenue is not their incentive here. But IMO if you have to choose an evil one, Google is the lesser evil comparing to Facebook.
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abondservant said:
Firstly, I hate Facebook. But its part of my ministry platform. So, I am partly tied to it. Its been good in one way. before the pandemic maybe 50 people could fit in the church on a sunday, and maybe 25-30 would. Concurrent with the pandemic we started pushing our facebook stream, and we have week to week about 2-250 people joining us (with 10-15 in the building). income hasn't changed, praise the LordLonnie Spencer said:James Hudson said:Kolen Cheung said:Anyway I‘m also sad to see they host the livestream on Facebook. I wish they did it on their own Faithlife site, or YouTube.
Agree 110%!!
I will never use Facebook! FL has a perfectly functional website and YouTube has a wide worldwide base!
. We've been holding our own by God's grace.
Secondly, they have a public FB page, so as long as someone posts the link here, you should be able to watch without joining facebook. Keep an eye on the forums on monday, if a link isn't posted, and I remember, i'll post one.This is not an argument towards launching at Facebook. If you replace your first point by something else (Faithlife site or zoom), 2nd point by any other website that don’t have a registration wall, then your argument is equally valid, which makes it invalid as a support to use Facebook.
And to emphasize, I agree you can reach audiences through Facebook. But one should consider what kind of message they are sending by having a ministry in Facebook, or launch a certain event on Facebook. Like it or not you are endorsing it.
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Dale E Heath said:
We're still in the same time zone for a few more days. We're switching to Arizona time on Nov. 1, or permanent Pacific Daylight Time.
I discovered that's not accurate. WA and CA also need to pass the same bill and the US Senate needs to approve it. WA has passed it, but CA is busy with other matters. So, OR will go back to PST on Nov. 1.
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What a bummer. I guess I will miss the announcement because I am not going to go on facebook.
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Little Ike said:
What a bummer. I guess I will miss the announcement because I am not going to go on facebook.
Maybe you can munch on your Facebook cookie (whenever logged into FL sites).
But you won't be alone ... I don't do the google, facebook, twitter, etc. either. But to be carefully hypocritical, I do have a google email that feeds an encrypted site (humor but true).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Little Ike said:
What a bummer. I guess I will miss the announcement because I am not going to go on facebook.
Are you aware that you do not need a Facebook account to watch the live feed?
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Disagree with your first point. on a variety of fronts.Kolen Cheung said:This is not an argument towards launching at Facebook. If you replace your first point by something else (Faithlife site or zoom), 2nd point by any other website that don’t have a registration wall, then your argument is equally valid, which makes it invalid as a support to use Facebook.
And to emphasize, I agree you can reach audiences through Facebook. But one should consider what kind of message they are sending by having a ministry in Facebook, or launch a certain event on Facebook. Like it or not you are endorsing it.
Secondly my dislike for Facebook isn't based around what you think it is.
If people were gathering around the local pot house, I'd be standing outside preaching the gospel. Is my presence an endorsement of illegal drugs? I don't think so.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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A more controversial argument can be made for those preach inside disco or pub or something.
In this case having a platform on Facebook is more similar to that, unlike when someone is outside.
But not to digress into whether it is the right choice to go inside and preach (which is a personal choice and only to Christ should we answer that to.) What I ask is what kind of message does one send. It might very well be sending a very good message. But may be some didn’t think about that at all. and the lack of it is the problem.
I didn’t assume anything about why you hate Facebook or use it or not. I’m saying those arguments, if any, does not justify why launching Logos 9 on Facebook is good.
I am sure some can find good reasons for them to launch on Facebook. My original comment is that I am sad to see that. It is an emotional response that is subjective. They might have their valid reason, and even if it is rationally the best move they have, it is emotionally a very sad thing for a Christian company who has their own social platform to launch in such an evil site (that encourage the manipulation of human mind to maximize addiction and attention hence their ad revenue and minimize the work they need to censor to avoid labor and lose of opportunity for revenue, even if it is political ones and sometimes misleading.)
Before we continue to argue, let’s agree none of our opinions matter. Faithlife would continue to launch Logos 9 there. Facebook will be thriving. We may continue to lose our democracy partly due to Facebook and other social media.
Now that is sad.
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Lynden Williams said:Little Ike said:
What a bummer. I guess I will miss the announcement because I am not going to go on facebook.
Are you aware that you do not need a Facebook account to watch the live feed?
Are you aware that he don’t want to go to Facebook.com, not because he doesn’t have an account, but is a choice?
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I was told by a staff member it is on Facebook and not multiple channels due to staffing issues from Covid-19 restrictions and that it will be available on Faithlife Tv later in the day.
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David Taylor Jr said:
I was told by a staff member it is on Facebook and not multiple channels due to staffing issues from Covid-19 restrictions and that it will be available on Faithlife Tv later in the day.
Good to hear that it is a technical difficulty not a deliberate choice. Everyone should just buy a Logos 9 package regardless of what they launch to support them.
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What does “niLe ShOre is GOne” mean?
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Sorry Johnathan I was never good with languages.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Logos nine is here
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I see it now
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Well, cool. I needed something interesting/good to happen this week.
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Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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For those who don't use Facebook (that includes me), you can view the Logos Unbound video on Faithlife TV at https://faithlifetv.com/items/805772. You'll need to log in with your Faithlife account.
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Sean Boisen said:
For those who don't use Facebook (that includes me), you can view the Logos Unbound video on Faithlife TV at https://faithlifetv.com/items/805772. You'll need to log in with your Faithlife account.
Thanks. For those uses the Faithlife TV app on Apple TV, you can just click there. It is front and center and difficult to miss. That's how I watched it. But make sure you do sign in first (even if you have signed in in the past you might have been kicked out.) Otherwise you will have a cryptic error.
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