Logos 9 Free Engine Upgrade
Anyone know if the Logos 9 free engine upgrade coming next year will include the updated Factbook, or is the new Factbook considered a new, separate, feature? Cheers!
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I’m not sure we have a definitive answer, but the strong likelihood is that the new Factbook will be in Basic, but some of the datasets needed to power it fully won’t be.
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Thanks Mark!
While I am here: I realise this depends on the work someone is doing, do you have any recommendations for the minimum datasets required to make Factbook a really useful tool?
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Gavin Anthony said:
Anyone know if the Logos 9 free engine upgrade coming next year will include the updated Factbook, or is the new Factbook considered a new, separate, feature? Cheers!
Yes, the new Factbook will be available as part of the free engine upgrade. That said some of the new data that is displayed in Factbook is part of various datasets that would need to be purchased as part of a feature set upgrade.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Gavin Anthony said:
While I am here: I realise this depends on the work someone is doing, do you have any recommendations for the minimum datasets required to make Factbook a really useful tool?
It does heavily depend on what you are looking for.
Most of the regular books found in the various feature sets are there because they provide content for Factbook.
https://www.logos.com/compare/featuresets
For example, the Biblical Commentaries provide Key Articles for pericopes (passages) in Factbook. The Bible Dictionaries and Encyclopedias provide Key Articles for a broad range of topics.
There are many, many datasets that contribute data to Factbook, depending on the type of references you are looking at.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Would logos 8 users get to upgrade to the logos 9 engine? Already feel betrayed by having to leave wordsearch which was a better Bible software program and easy to use with features such as Carousell, easy to use icon buttions and book sorting. Not to mention loosing lesson maker for sermon preparation and all my Bible Notes That I have added with years of study,
Also if we do get to upgrade free to the engine, would we get the tools for sermon preparation that is shown in the video? That wou,d be good for word search users since lesson maker did something similar.
the one thin I knew and why I switched to Wordsearch years ago is the cost of upgrades and books is higher than anywhere else. Wordsearch upgrades were normally about $50 with a $20 coupon that came out at the same time they did it. Books were sold separately regardless of the version and not in hundred And thousand dollar packages which have a lot of books not needed.
The one kudo I do have for logos is that they have a good mobile app compared to Wordsearch, Accordance and unlike PC Study Bible you do not have to have a monthly subscription to access your library.
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Lawrence Espinosa said:
Would logos 8 users get to upgrade to the logos 9 engine? Already feel betrayed by having to leave wordsearch which was a better Bible software program and easy to use with features such as Carousell, easy to use icon buttions and book sorting. Not to mention loosing lesson maker for sermon preparation and all my Bible Notes That I have added with years of study,
Also if we do get to upgrade free to the engine, would we get the tools for sermon preparation that is shown in the video? That wou,d be good for word search users since lesson maker did something similar.
the one thin I knew and why I switched to Wordsearch years ago is the cost of upgrades and books is higher than anywhere else. Wordsearch upgrades were normally about $50 with a $20 coupon that came out at the same time they did it. Books were sold separately regardless of the version and not in hundred And thousand dollar packages which have a lot of books not needed.
The one kudo I do have for logos is that they have a good mobile app compared to Wordsearch, Accordance and unlike PC Study Bible you do not have to have a monthly subscription to access your library.
You can purchase Logos feature upgrades separate from library upgrades if you'd prefer to not pay for any additional books. I think you'd need the silver feature set for all of the sermon features in the video.
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Thanks, I probably should have known that as logos is more about selling than real ministry help. I really liked WORDsearch before Lifeway ever had anything to do with them. This just leaves the door open for more commotion in the future to provide what believers need for an affordable price. as stated every Wordsearch user that paid for lesson maker now lost a valuable feature,
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Greeting Lawrence and welcome to the Forum community. Here we are mostly volunteers (apart from times like this when big changes are afoot and we have a greater staff presence to help us along) drop in and try to help folk along and make sure that we all get the best out of the software. Some things in your post are quite concerning.
Lawrence Espinosa said:Already feel betrayed by having to leave wordsearch
As I understood it, the Wordsearch program will still work pretty much as before providing you have all your resources downloaded. Is this the case or have I mistaken the situation? If you can no longer use Wordsearch then I think something must be wrong with the system.
Lawrence Espinosa said:Not to mention loosing lesson maker for sermon preparation and all my Bible Notes
This is tragic and I am sure that the Logos staff will be able to help you out with the notes issue. I gathered that ones notes would remain available in the Wordsearch program, at least until the developers had completed a means of transferring them to the Logos platform. If your notes have gone missing then please do contact customer support and see if they can help.
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Lawrence Espinosa said:
Would logos 8 users get to upgrade to the logos 9 engine?
In a few months there will be a free version of Logos 9 available. It won't have all of the new Logos 9 features, but it will have some of them.
Lawrence Espinosa said:Books were sold separately regardless of the version and not in hundred And thousand dollar packages which have a lot of books not needed.
Most books Faithlife sells are available individually or will be soon. If there's an individual book that you want to buy outside of a collection that isn't available on its own, you can request it, and (although sometimes prevented by licensing agreements or whatever) it'll often end up available alone.
Lawrence Espinosa said:The one kudo I do have for logos is that they have a good mobile app compared to Wordsearch, Accordance
Yes. And building that mobile app cost a lot of money.
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Thanks Mike for your response,
as you know as windows updates sooner or later the old version of WORDsearch will sooner and later be obsolete especially since there will be no support for updates. I cannot run logos 8 on my computer like WORDsearch as it takes too much Ram and Is very slow to run. For me to Make the most use of it I will need to purchase a mew computer which I’d did not do for WORDsearch. I tried even deleting WORDsearch to see if that would help but no use.
currently I am relying on the app.
Still not sure how to get all ,y notes and links out of wordsearch to logos as I have been using it for many, many years and going verse by verse in the notes section will take forever.
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Lawrence Espinosa said:
Still not sure how to get all ,y notes and links out of wordsearch to logos as I have been using it for many, many years and going verse by verse in the notes section will take forever.
Faithlife has said they will convert them. What you do is wait.
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Thanks Mike for your reply
yYes I can still use Wordsearch as long as windows does not do anymore updates then it may become obsolete such as many of my old Bible Programs such as Hebrew and Greek Tutor from Pearson’s as tech support will most likely not be available for Wordsearch in the near future.
Another issue I have ran into is that I cannot run Logos 8 on my Microsoft Surface as it does not have enough Ram to run effectively but is way too slow. it works fine for Wordsearch but not logos. In order to change this I will have to buy a new computer but the surface I have now is formatted for teaching and preaching along which I really do not want to switch. I even tried uninstalling Wordsearch and that did not help. So I have to rely on the app for using logos and not my computer.
the last thing is How to get all my notes and links from Wordsearch to Logos. After many years of study, I have a lot and going verse by verse will take forever. Including all my links in Lesson maker will now be obsolete though I can stlll download my lessons in MS Word.
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Thanks Mike for your reply
yYes I can still use Wordsearch as long as windows does not do anymore updates then it may become obsolete such as many of my old Bible Programs such as Hebrew and Greek Tutor from Pearson’s as tech support will most likely not be available for Wordsearch in the near future.
Another issue I have ran into is that I cannot run Logos 8 on my Microsoft Surface as it does not have enough Ram to run effectively but is way too slow. it works fine for Wordsearch but not logos. In order to change this I will have to buy a new computer but the surface I have now is formatted for teaching and preaching along which I really do not want to switch. I even tried uninstalling Wordsearch and that did not help. So I have to rely on the app for using logos and not my computer.
the last thing is How to get all my notes and links from Wordsearch to Logos. After many years of study, I have a lot and going verse by verse will take forever. Including all my links in Lesson maker will now be obsolete though I can stlll download my lessons in MS Word.
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Lawrence Espinosa said:
How to get all my notes and links from Wordsearch to Logos.
I answered this above. Our timing must have crossed paths.
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Thanks MJ that is one thing I will be happy to see0
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Thanks MJ
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This is not really fair, or accurate, at all.Lawrence Espinosa said:Thanks, I probably should have known that as logos is more about selling than real ministry help.
I have gotten to know quite a few of the high level staff over the years and I know for a FACT this is not their heart.
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I am not talking about the stuff but the business As a whole which is why I switched to WORDsearch years ago. Almost anyone can tell by the price of the product comparing to other software along with physically purchasing the books that logos is high.
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The problem is you are comparing apples to oranges once you add all of the tagging and datasets that Logos has. It is not like other software and it definitely is not like a physical book.Lawrence Espinosa said:I am not talking about the stuff but the business As a whole which is why I switched to WORDsearch years ago. Almost anyone can tell by the price of the product comparing to other software along with physically purchasing the books that logos is high.
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Lawrence Espinosa said:
as you know as windows updates sooner or later the old version of WORDsearch will sooner and later be obsolete especially since there will be no support for updates. I cannot run logos 8 on my computer like WORDsearch as it takes too much Ram and Is very slow to run. For me to Make the most use of it I will need to purchase a mew computer which I’d did not do for WORDsearch. I tried even deleting WORDsearch to see if that would help but no use.
While it is possible that Windows will break current programs out your current computer, I would not at all be surprised if WORDsearch would continue to work on your current computer as long as you have it. With Faithlife buying out WORDsearch, my understanding is:
1) All WORDsearch books will eventually be converted over to your Logos account
2) You can already use what you have described as a better mobile app
3) Faithlife will eventually transfer over your notes
4) Faithlife has tried make sure your Logos license has roughly equivalent functionality to the features in WORDsearch
5) Faithlife will continue to make a free application that will take advantages of any of these features you have licensed, so you can continue to use this functionality on future computers.
As I understand your complaint, it is that Logos 8 is very slow on your current computer, and your notes have not yet transferred. This would be a problem if you could no longer use your old solution, namely WORDsearch. But you can use WORDsearch, and while MS does sometimes break compatibility in Windows upgrades, this is rather rare. Yeah, old 16 bit WIndows applications will no longer run on current Windows, but most other things do.
Yes, if you want all the bells and whistles on Logos, it can be expensive. But if you don't value all those bells and whistles, Logos will continue to support you with an application that does the features you have licensed already.
And now you have a migration path forward for when you eventually replace your current computer. While there are certainly people who use a lot of fancy hardware, IMHO, you can get decent performance with Logos as long as you have two things:
1) at least 8 Gigs of system memory (I currently have 12)
2) a SSD drive
Both of these things are becoming more common, and more economical.
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but... You gotta admit.... that for us people coming from WS.. there is quite a "sticker shock". We were use to $49 upgrades and many time we could get discounts that made that price even lower.
I like Logos.... but prices are high.
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Logos actually does one better. You can upgrade for $0. You just won't get EVERY new feature available.xnman said:but... You gotta admit.... that for us people coming from WS.. there is quite a "sticker shock". We were use to $49 upgrades and many time we could get discounts that made that price even lower.
I like Logos.... but prices are high.
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Yes but I am fine getting all the bells and whistles from WordSearch for $30. Don’t forget they alway give a $20 discount at the same time when they did the upgrade and not hundreds of dollars. most their updates are worth it for that low of a price.
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That is $29 after the $20 discount coupon that comes out at the same time with all the new bells and whistles Which are normally worth it.
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Feel your Pain you lost a good old Friend who stays with you for Years...hope you will find peace to get back to the important Part of Bible Software...Bible Study :-)
For me the Free Engine was good enough to do my Studys from Textual Study, over gree and hebrew to deep Bible Study...I dit not need the great new Stuff. I just upgradet to the German Starter Packs just for a few things nice to have in Software.
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But those bells and whistles hardly had the power of the bells and whistles Logos packages. It's not the same thing.Lawrence Espinosa said:Yes but I am fine getting all the bells and whistles from WordSearch for $30. Don’t forget they alway give a $20 discount at the same time when they did the upgrade and not hundreds of dollars. most their updates are worth it for that low of a price.
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I disagree as the ones they had was what I needed and if it was not worth the bang for the buck, I would wait for the next upgrade. WORDsearch is an easy to use software compared to the complexity of Logos, I could find and connect everything I needed easily.
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Yes, it will be a learning curve. There are tons of free resources, including this forum, to help you learn. However, from my experience with WordSearch, the free engine of Logos alone was lightyears ahead of WS. In fact, while I was at Liberty University they decided to use WS as their platform for our textbooks. I was constantly frustrated at the software as it was woefully inadequate in my viewpoint.Lawrence Espinosa said:I disagree as the ones they had was what I needed and if it was not worth the bang for the buck, I would wait for the next upgrade. WORDsearch is an easy to use software compared to the complexity of Logos, I could find and connect everything I needed easily.
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i disagree, as the updates were normally very good and if it was not worth the bang for the buck you just don’t buy that year. After the carouselle was created I quite content with that last upgrade.
BTW were you a WORDsearch user, based on the statement i do not think so.
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I used Wordsearch and Logos, I don't appreciate the insinuation that I am lying. I understand you thought WS was great. I thought it was terrible and glad to see my WS resources now in Logos.Lawrence Espinosa said:i disagree, as the updates were normally very good and if it was not worth the bang for the buck you just don’t buy that year. After the carouselle was created I quite content with that last upgrade.
BTW were you a WORDsearch user, based on the statement i do not think so.
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Thanks John,
So true, I have been through the gammit of Bible Software through the years and switched them over. Except for one I do not remember the first I used was NIV Bible, then Quickverse, I also also had Libronox (Logos}, Parsons and Wordsearch (which was horrible in those days). My best find was PC Study Bible at the time then they changed their platform that really stinks now and got really expensive. Lesson maker finally came out with Bible Explorer which was a affordable easy to use Bible software but could not do intense word study at the time like PC Study Bible. Logos was Horrible at the beginning but than got very complex and expensive with the packages the upgrade every year or two which was too high for me. Wordsearch stepped up there game along with a great support staff and came up with a great computer software that was easy to use along with a community they listened to (note not saying logos does not listen). Wordsearch users saw changeS take place when Lifeway took over the business and ever since then we should have known that after Lifeway Bookstores went out of business almost everywhere that this would be the next thing to go.
Besides Wordsearch I use Accordance for studying and teaching Hebrew using The First Hebrew Primer. I do not care too much for their platform but even now if I already did not have so much invested through wordsearch one can switch over for $200 with a really good package.
hopefully logos software will develop something like wordsearch as I really do not like the format of what looks more like a website page rather than a Bible Software. I wonder why they purchased wordsearch since their platforms are so different unless it has to do with concerned about someone else purchasing it and this is just removing the competition.
Logos has a lot to offer but for someone that does word studies lesson preparation. It is too much to go through and does not have ease of use as other Bible Programs.
Sure they have training videos to go through but it Should not be that complicated that I have to go through all the videos to get what I want since I did not have to do this with other Bible Programs. Yes I am loosing an old friend.
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Hi Lawrence
Lawrence Espinosa said:as I really do not like the format of what looks more like a website page rather than a Bible Software
I'm intrigued by this comment and don't really understand it.
Are you able to expand / clarify what you mean please?
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Look at the home page, first thing you see reads like website. No icon for Bible but looks more like hyper links, Compare this to other Bible Software.. look at the features such as store on top. then a dashboard you have to create, verse of the day and such. Feels ,ore like a website and a store when you first enter than a Bible Program.
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Hi David, sorry if you took this personally as I really do not think you are lying but wanted to known if you compared them by being a true user. This is not only me that is not happy with the change as my old Pastor contacted me and not only does not like the change but is having problems maneuvering through Logos.
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Lawrence dit you know that you can turn this off (I never use the Homepage) and start like this
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Lawrence Espinosa said:
Look at the home page, first thing you see reads like website. No icon for Bible but looks more like hyper links, Compare this to other Bible Software.. look at the features such as store on top. then a dashboard you have to create, verse of the day and such. Feels ,ore like a website and a store when you first enter than a Bible Program.
That helps - thanks for the explanation.
I understand how the Home Page can look more like a website - with links to various things.
However, many of us - myself included - don't tend to open Logos to the home page but either to a layout from which we can directly engage with our study or to a blank layout from which we can add Bibles, Commentaries etc. Personally I tend to do the latter but I know that many others have developed their own layouts that they open when Logos starts
You can select your preferred behaviour from Program Settings
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and if you like to you could even create your Homepage as you want.
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Greeting Lawrence
Lawrence Espinosa said:Look at the home page, first thing you see reads like website.
If you do not like the way Logos opens at the start just change it.
By the way when David wrote " In fact, while I was at Liberty University they decided to use WS as their platform for our textbooks. I was constantly frustrated at the software as it was woefully inadequate in my viewpoint."
And you responded, "BTW were you a WORDsearch user, based on the statement i do not think so."
I could see why he was insulted.
It is important to read what folk write in response to questions and good manners to make sure that ones responses show that one has paid attention to what they actually write.
However, you will observe that this is a case of 'doing what I say rather than what I do' when you see the number of apologies that I have to make.
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I am, have used WS, Accordance, Logos, and PC Study Bible, along with some others. I find Logos much more to my liking than the others.
As to not having to watch the videos, I watched the WS, Accordance, Logos, and PC Study Bible videos in order to get the most out of my application. I would highly recommend, at a minimum, watching the Quick start videos that came with your Logos package. it will help you get acclimated much faster.
As always, if you get frustrated and need help, these forums are a great place to get it.
Carla
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Lawrence Espinosa said:
Sure they have training videos to go through but it Should not be that complicated that I have to go through all the videos to get what I want since I did not have to do this with other Bible Programs. Yes I am loosing an old friend.
You don't have to watch the videos, but you will get more out of the software if you do. It also helps to read the documentation. And many of us here at the forums are more than willing to help.
It's hard switching, though at this time you are not required to switch, but a willingness to learn the software would go a long way and I think you will come to know and love the software as so many of us do.
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Thanks David,
I really don’t want to seem like I am complaining all the time on the change as I am thankful that I get to keep all my books and not have to start from scratch again.
The Videos may help but I liked the easy to use icons and links in wordsearch so it will take me aa while to get used to it. Right now I am using the dashboard to try to put all my books in a better order as possible.
The best thing I like about Logos is the Messianic books selection which I did not have in Wordsearch. Hopefully that will continue to grow more than what they have now. I will one day move to the Philippines and trying to get all my library there may be a huge challenge due to the weight so this may be an alternative to lesson my load.
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Lawrence Espinosa said:
I am not talking about the stuff but the business As a whole which is why I switched to WORDsearch years ago. Almost anyone can tell by the price of the product comparing to other software along with physically purchasing the books that logos is high.
Logos is still around be they have made business decisions including price that have allowed them to keep the software up to date with modern technology.
Wordsearch is no longer around because their pricing model did not allow the software to move with the times. It was seriously outdated, they had issues with trying to get it to run on the latest Mac version and to bring the software up to date so it could continue would have required a massive injection of cash and people resources for which Lifeway would not get an adequate return. Sadly WS was destined for this demise because it was the product was being run by a publisher and not a software company.
Destiny arrived and it is not FL’s fault, they are not greedy, they need to sell to ensure they are here next week, next month and into the next decades of all its users ministry and lives.
I do feel your personal situation Lawerence.
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That most likely is true as I do not like Mac but use windows for all my computer programs. i Do on the other hand use Apple IPad for a lot of other things.
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