Logos is not compatible with Windows Surface Tablets
The Windows Surface Pro is certainly a very popular tablet - practical and state of the art, based on an operating system that is used by more than 90% of all users - hence not a "in the minority" environment.
But - Logos is not compatible with Windows Surface Pro because it cannot do Selection of Text. After many investigations, trials and tests - I came to the conclusion that the problem is on the side of Logos software. The simple and basic proof is that I can get perfect Text Selection with the Kindle reader and other readers on the Windows Surface tablet - but I cannot do Text Selection with Logos Readers. This is not only very sad but also a huge frustration as my tablet has replaced my paper Bible many moons ago.
When can we get a Windows Tablet compatible version of the Logos Software?
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I am sorry you are having this difficulty. I have had a Surface Pro 3 for years and have never had this problem. Is your an RT version? That may be the issue.
Jim
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Marius van der Merwe said:
Logos is not compatible with Windows Surface Pro because it cannot do Selection of Text
Do you mean with your finger? If so, Logos is not optimized for touch screens. It should be compatible with a mouse or touch pad.
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JT (alabama24) said:
If so, Logos is not optimized for touch screens.
Although this is planned. Interested persons can vote for this at https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/improve-touch-scrolling-in-resources-on-windows and thereby potentially increase its priority for FL.
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Marius van der Merwe said:
Logos is not compatible with Windows Surface Pro
This statement needs clarification! There are issues with Logos in TABLET Mode because the Logos User Interface is not fully touch enabled. I have owned 3 Surface Pro devices (1, 4 & 7) and they have all worked beautifully when not in TABLET mode.
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I have surface pro. I don't have problem.
Blessings in Christ.
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Yes, it is with the finger - it is a tablet and normally don't use a mouse or pen.
It can't do text selection in any mode either tablet or desktop mode. As I've said - text selection with a finger works perfectly fine in the Kindle reader.
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You Logos is not optimized for touch screens, but it works fine on my old Android tablet as well as my Android phone?
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Marius van der Merwe said:
You Logos is not optimized for touch screens, but it works fine on my old Android tablet as well as my Android phone?
You are correct that Logos is not optimized for touch screens in the desktop and laptop app -- and that is a known and glaring weakness -- but have you tried using the Surface pen to select text? It works wonderfully.
As I recall when I had my last Surface Pro, although you could not select text with your finger, you could scroll through windows and touch controls with your finger (if they weren't oversized). It is not a perfect experience by far.
As for Logos working on an Android tablet and phone, you are talking about different hardware and a different app altogether. The mobile apps were made to be touch-centric. In fact, they are so touch-centric that a few of us have been harping on Faithlife to add keyboard shortcuts for the Apple Magic Keyboard.
Logos has created its desktop and laptop app to be keyboard and mouse-centric. It has created its mobile apps to be touch-centric. And it appears never the two shall meet.
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I actually have the older version Windows Surface - no pen - but I tested it on the latest Windows Surface Pro just to make sure it is not an issue with my hardware.
I suppose I just have to live with it and hope for an upgrade some time in the future.
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I’m running Logos 9.13 on a Windows 11 Surface Pro 8 with a Surface Pen. I can select text by touching the pen to a word in the text and dragging right or left, which then brings up the highlighting context menu so that I can select a highlight.
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Recently upgraded to surface pro 8 with new pen. My previous surface pro 6 and pen worked better without the keyboard than my 8 does. On my 8 logos seems almost impossible to use without keyboard and TouchPad.
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Recently upgraded to surface pro 8 with new pen. My previous surface pro 6 and pen worked better without the keyboard than my 8 does. On my 8 logos seems almost impossible to use without keyboard and TouchPad.
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Recently upgraded to surface pro 8 with new pen. My previous surface pro 6 and pen worked better without the keyboard than my 8 does. On my 8 logos seems almost impossible to use without keyboard and TouchPad.
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Recently upgraded to surface pro 8 with new pen. My previous surface pro 6 and pen worked better without the keyboard than my 8 does. On my 8 logos seems almost impossible to use without keyboard and TouchPad.
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Recently upgraded to surface pro 8 with new pen. My previous surface pro 6 and pen worked better without the keyboard than my 8 does. On my 8 logos seems almost impossible to use without keyboard and TouchPad.
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UPDATE: Regrettably, after further experience with Logos and my Surface Pro 8, pen highlighting does not seem to work consistently and reliably. I have fought and fought with it, which is also very sad because it has taken away from my productivity in studying Scripture by making me focus on technical difficulties.
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I simply never had a problem selecting text with the Surface Pro. I used them for years. I always used the Surface pro touch pad to select text.
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Right, using a touchpad is no problem. It would be convenient, though, if the Surface Pen would work reliably, especially if I don't always want to have the keyboard and touchpad folded out in my lap or want to completely detach it from the Surface Pro.
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Mike Childs said:
I simply never had a problem selecting text with the Surface Pro. I used them for years. I always used the Surface pro touch pad to select text.
So is the same with me.
Blessings in Christ.
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Chuck said:
Right, using a touchpad is no problem. It would be convenient, though, if the Surface Pen would work reliably, especially if I don't always want to have the keyboard and touchpad folded out in my lap or want to completely detach it from the Surface Pro.
The Surface Pro Touch Pad is built into the detachable keyboard. With that keyboard, it is easy to select text. So, that is a long, long way from saying the Surface Pro is incompatible with Logos.
I agree that using Logos on the Surface Pro tablet without the detachable keyboard is a challenge. I agree that Logos could be made more touch friendly. But I still think Logos on the Surface Pro with the detachable keyboard was the best Logos experience I ever had. Especially, having my personal books on my Surface Pro tablet was a joy.
One can use the Surface Pro to read one's entire Logos Library, including Personal Books, just fine on the tablet without the keyboard. That is a big deal to me.
Personally, I found the Surface Pen to be more of a hinderance that a help. I really never used it.
But we all are different.
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I considered Surface Pro in my recent computer purchase...(my old one was 8 years old)... but when I compared side by side... and then considered the value of the purchase.... I opted to go instead with Lenovo Yoga, which I am happy with. The screen will fold back and then I have a "psuedo" tablet with full access to all my stuff.... And the price was about half of Surface Pro...
After reading this thread.... I am very pleased with my Lenovo Yoga.... [8-|]
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Tes said:xnman said:
Lenovo Yoga
Hi Xnman Could you please describe the Lenovo Yoga in detail. You have mentioned that you have full access . Which browse do you have?
I have the Lenovo Yoga Intel 7 Evio - 12 gig memory 1 TB ssd... with dual monitors... I bought it at Best Buy on sale.... (and I will probably go to 4 monitors later this year - I love the 4k monitor).... As to browser (which I think you meant)... I use Google Chrome browser....
I normally have open..... Google Chrome with about 6-8 tabs on it.... Excel, Word, Powerpoint, Logos, NetBeans (compiler for programs)
I have no complaints period.... love it. love it. love it.
I do think when it comes to computers... most people think they need the biggest meanest baddest that was ever made.... which if you do that, I think you over spend.... and get more than you actually need to do the job.
If a spoon will do the job..... why do I need shovel for the same job? Just my 2 cents. [8-|]
Hope that helps....
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Hi Xnman: You mention that the screen on your Lenovo Yoga "will fold back and then I have a "psuedo" tablet with full access to all my stuff."
Important Question (at least for me): When you have your Lenovo Yoga in "psuedo-tablet" mode with Logos open, can you somehow select Bible text and highlight it using the Highlighter Tool in Logos? If so, how?
Thanks,
Chuck
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Chuck said:
Hi Xnman: You mention that the screen on your Lenovo Yoga "will fold back and then I have a "psuedo" tablet with full access to all my stuff."
Important Question (at least for me): When you have your Lenovo Yoga in "psuedo-tablet" mode with Logos open, can you somehow select Bible text and highlight it using the Highlighter Tool in Logos? If so, how?
Thanks,
Chuck
Chuck..... sorry to answer late..... been traveling.... I normally don't highlight text or use the highlighter at all.... but I can use my mouse (which is a usb mouse) and highlight verses and such. I cannot however use my finger and highlight the text.... and I don't have a pencil or such.... but my mouse does work in "pseudo tablet mode" (folded over).
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:Chuck said:
Hi Xnman: You mention that the screen on your Lenovo Yoga "will fold back and then I have a "psuedo" tablet with full access to all my stuff."
Important Question (at least for me): When you have your Lenovo Yoga in "psuedo-tablet" mode with Logos open, can you somehow select Bible text and highlight it using the Highlighter Tool in Logos? If so, how?
Thanks,
Chuck
Chuck..... sorry to answer late..... been traveling.... I normally don't highlight text or use the highlighter at all.... but I can use my mouse (which is a usb mouse) and highlight verses and such. I cannot however use my finger and highlight the text.... and I don't have a pencil or such.... but my mouse does work in "pseudo tablet mode" (folded over).
Xnman: Thanks for replying and for the additional information. From my perspective, this is 2022, and Logos should have the capability of offering the user the complete complement of operational features, whether in full-keyboard-mouse mode or tablet mode using your finger or a pen.
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Chuck said:
From my perspective, this is 2022, and Logos should have the capability of offering the user the complete complement of operational features, whether in full-keyboard-mouse mode or tablet mode using your finger or a pen.
It has considerable support New Feature: Advanced Apple Pencil support | Faithlife.
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MJ. Smith said:Chuck said:
From my perspective, this is 2022, and Logos should have the capability of offering the user the complete complement of operational features, whether in full-keyboard-mouse mode or tablet mode using your finger or a pen.
It has considerable support New Feature: Advanced Apple Pencil support | Faithlife.
Sorry, not from my perspective. I want to attend services and reliably highlight with my Microsoft Surface Pen as I read along in the Bible. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't, and I have found myself "fighting" with the technology instead of concentrating on the Bible, which, ironically, is what the software is "supposed" to aid me in doing.
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Chuck said:
Sorry, not from my perspective.
I think MJ was commenting that the suggestion to add advanced Pencil capabilities had a lot of support from other users - not that the software provided a lot of support for it currently.
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Chuck said:
Sorry, not from my perspective. I want to attend services and reliably highlight with my Microsoft Surface Pen as I read along in the Bible. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't, and I have found myself "fighting" with the technology instead of concentrating on the Bible, which, ironically, is what the software is "supposed" to aid me in doing.
My apologies for being too terse. I was pointing you to a request for better support on the feedback site which already has a significant number of votes.
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MJ & Graham: Thank you both for the clarification. Logos is such great software that it only makes sense that FaithLife would want to get it fully compatible with tablet/pen operations; I hope they do, and I hope it is soon. Thanks again.
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Chuck said:
MJ & Graham: Thank you both for the clarification. Logos is such great software that it only makes sense that FaithLife would want to get it fully compatible with tablet/pen operations; I hope they do, and I hope it is soon. Thanks again.
We've been asking since AT LEAST 2011 - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/35513.aspx
Bradley Grainger is aware of our wish - https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/full-touchscreen-scrolling-abilities
as is Phil Gons - https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/improve-touch-scrolling-in-resources-on-windows
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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Just imagine how awesome it would be if Logos added proper touch and pen support so we could easily do markup like the Piper 'Look at the Book' videos. It would be revolutionary.
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I hope to see some unsual surprises with the realese of Logos 10
Blessings in Christ.
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